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Quoted: Slow down a bit. How do you train the dogs now? Are they e-collar trained? Are you and your wife up for that? We finally (paid someone else to) e-collar train our current pair of dogs and it has changed our lives. If you've never done it, it will change your understanding of what is possible. View Quote Both were trained with my wife and I and a trainer. They can be called off but at the time it never crossed my mind. They get after stuff all the time but have never harmed anything. |
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I don't understand how a person can just summarily decide their dog is disposable. When you take on that responsibility it comes with a life-long fucking commitment. Put some work in with the dogs; don't throw them away because it's easy.
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I let mine out when I see a cat around the coop. She chases them off to the property line. If we’re outside any other time and she sees one, she chases it to the property line too. Good doggie.
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Quoted: Ah, nothing like well trained, well behaved dogs that can be trusted not to pack up and kill things around your kids. View Quote My GSD is great around kids, people he has never met, new dogs etc. But I suspect that he would chase a cat, cottontail bunny or birds. He wants to go after them but he is on a leash outside. I have no idea if he would kill one of them but having innate hinting tendencies does not mean that he would hurt a six year old. |
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This is a readily accepted option to many here. But not necessarily for killing a cat as they are also hated so they'll get a pass for that one. But if it kills chickens, then it's time for a bullet. They adhere to the Kristi Noem method. |
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Quoted: Dog owner/responsible person definitely at fault. Dogs that will attack a family pet that they know well will do the same thing to a kid. View Quote A barn cat they're familiar with is going to be treated the same way as a 40-70 pound child when they catch up to it? Lol. These aren't pits. Though no doubt, someone's going to find a very rare exception, and hold it up as indicative of the whole. Prey drive and pack behavior be like it do when it comes to active dogs and small furry things though. The pack behavior switch can be neat to see getting flipped. My old Weim behaved very differently when someone brought 5-6 other Weims to a dog park. One of the only times I saw her "dog", running with the pack, vs do the job we came to the park to do. I was sweating getting mine back for a few seconds. |
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Cat went into the hood with a couple of ‘friends’ and found out the hard way.
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We came home from dinner one evening and our dog was tossing something around in the back yard. The cage for the pet rabbit was left open. No blood. etc, Just a limp bag of bones...
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Quoted: How do people come to this viewpoint? View Quote Because the dog obviously has tendencies that are not compatible with safe rearing of a 6 year old child. I had a cat that hated my newborn and would just randomly attack her. That cat is long gone. Sorry, but pets are not the same level as children and if you risk ones safety for the sake of keeping the other around you fall into the same group of people who are surprised when their innocent pibble mauled their toddler to death. Animal shows any aggression at all, then they just deemed themselves disposable. You can't train out aggression. |
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I would be looking for new dogs at this point. They can’t be trusted not to do it again and it’s not worth the potential trouble.
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Quoted: Because the dog obviously has tendencies that are not compatible with safe rearing of a 6 year old child. I had a cat that hated my newborn and would just randomly attack her. That cat is long gone. Sorry, but pets are not the same level as children and if you risk ones safety for the sake of keeping the other around you fall into the same group of people who are surprised when their innocent pibble mauled their toddler to death. Animal shows any aggression at all, then they just deemed themselves disposable. You can't train out aggression. View Quote BS. See my other post about my dog being good with kids but having hunting tendencies towards a bunny rabbit. |
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Florida issues a lot of hurricane advice before each storm. Every year..."Do NOT leave dogs and cats together alone in a garage before evacuating, even if they get along perfectly in normal circumstances."
I'd echo others advice about not telling your daughter the full story. |
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Call up the expert trainer Kristi Noem, I'm sure she has some ideas.
But seriously, that does suck. Maybe blame it on coyotes? |
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Quoted: Florida issues a lot of hurricane advice before each storm. Every year..."Do NOT leave dogs and cats together alone in a garage before evacuating, even if they get along perfectly in normal circumstances." I'd echo others advice about not telling your daughter the full story. View Quote Why would I leave my GSD at home with a hurricane approaching? Answer: I would not. |
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Quoted: Both were trained with my wife and I and a trainer. They can be called off but at the time it never crossed my mind. They get after stuff all the time but have never harmed anything. View Quote Sounds like a tough situation and no one here can tell you what the right thing to do is because they cannot possibly know all the facts like you do. Also, feeling are facts when it comes to decisions like this. I'd like to think that y'all can keep the dogs and all be happy, but I understand how you might not be able to. Good luck. |
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GSD doing GSD things. My daughter's GSD has a thing for rabbits, she has probably taken down 20 of them. Feral cats get treated the same.
They probably didn't know it was the barn cat until it was too late. I wouldn't have much worry about your children, but if you are going to have a cat, introduce it to them as a kitten and keep it in the house. My other vote would be getting your daughter a Corgi or a Jack Russell Terrier, smaller cuddly breeds that can hold their own with a GSDs brain and energy level, or get her a Great Pyr, best cuddly dog ever, but OMG the hair. |
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Quoted: Cat called the dogs an N word View Quote Quoted: It's GD... Most assholes in here can't keep a wife and shouldn't be trusted with a houseplant, let alone a dog. View Quote Most people who have a dog shouldn't have a dog. And way fewer than that should have a dog like a GSD. And even fewer than that should have that kind of dog while having small children. But we live in reality and actions have consequences. People want violent animals in their house and sometimes things happen. |
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Quoted: And reread my post. You're in that same group of people that will be surprised when your dog attacks your kid, but shouldn't be. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: BS. See my other post about my dog being good with kids but having hunting tendencies towards a bunny rabbit. And reread my post. You're in that same group of people that will be surprised when your dog attacks your kid, but shouldn't be. Why is it completely acceptable for a cat to hunt small animals and be okay around kids, but a dog that hunts a small animals in a pasture is suddenly a threat to the child? Even domesticated animals are still animals... it doesn't matter how much a person loves them. |
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Well,
I have had several barn and house cats over the years. Along with big GSD and similar types of dogs. They all played great inside with zero issues. They never made a move on someone’s cat outdoors on a leash. But they and the cats always seemed to have some sort of understanding. And that understanding was the dogs kept the yard, or pastures, or general outdoor area free and safe. And the leash/indoor truce did not apply to outside. No matter how much they cuddled or played inside. Sure, I’ve seen a cat eye the sleeping dog on the deck, sprint for a tree and go over the fence, and come to the back door to be let in when the yard was free of dogs. Or cats head into the barn when the dogs are coming out. I’ve not seen them over the decades push their luck and pay for it. I don’t think a cat in the middle of the pasture would fare well here, But in the house they’re fine. |
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Quoted: Gaslight her OP. Gaslight her hard. Go get a new cat. Doesn't matter which, just a new cat. If your daughter says "That's not my cat." Tell her yes it is. "But my cat was orange, this is black". Honey the cat was always black, your talking nonsense. The doubt and uncertainty will scar her throughout childhood. https://i.ibb.co/5GH0TbG/emotional-damage-very-effective-free-meme-template-v0-2525ggj9mcg81.jpg View Quote |
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Everyone in the house...knows...Don open the door 1st..with out smacking the metal security door. It warns the cat,who then has time to dip.
I like the cat...but the dogs are there to keep critters out of the fenced in yard and chickens. They've already killed 2 big ass roosters who were trying to fight ours through the coup fence. |
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Quoted: This. If they can't be trusted with a cat that fights back I'm definitely not trusting them with my 6 year old. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Now replace "cats" with "6 year olds" This. If they can't be trusted with a cat that fights back I'm definitely not trusting them with my 6 year old. But muh pitbull is loyal. It's how you raise em! |
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Quoted: Why would I leave my GSD at home with a hurricane approaching? Answer: I would not. View Quote Nor would I, and never did...but finding hotels that would take large and/or multiple animals could be a major challenge when half the state of Florida was moving north at the same time. We lied about our Golden's weight a lot, but then so did everyone else. The hotels were pretty good about bending the rules. Lots of people did leave their pets in the garage, though, and obviously from this written-in-blood safety warning they came home to more trauma than just storm damage. |
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Quoted: This is where I'm at with it. I feel like it's time for them to go to a different home. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Dog owner/responsible person definitely at fault. Dogs that will attack a family pet that they know well will do the same thing to a kid. This is where I'm at with it. I feel like it's time for them to go to a different home. FFS… these two things are NOT the same. Fucking GD. OP, I’m sorry about the loss of your cat but equating a prey driven accident and a potential risk to a family member is easily the stupidest fucking thing I’ve ever read here and that’s saying something. You do as you wish ( I love cats as much as the next guy) but getting rid of two family shepherds over what was a unfortunate, one off event is an enormous and completely emotionally driven mistake. You make up a story, lie to the kid to save her feelings and move on. Take some responsibility here and fix the problem rather than dumping the dogs and washing your hands of it. The easy way out is always the wrong way out. YOU make sure it doesn’t happen again. |
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Quoted: This is what I'm wondering too. Are you sure the dogs weren't picking up on whatever just killed the cat? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Definitely odd, at least as far as my experience goes anyway. Are you sure the cat was alive when they found it? This is what I'm wondering too. Are you sure the dogs weren't picking up on whatever just killed the cat? Re-reading OP, it looks like barn cat followed OP out into the field so was presumably alive. |
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Quoted: Why is it completely acceptable for a cat to hunt small animals and be okay around kids, but a dog that hunts a small animals in a pasture is suddenly a threat to the child? Even domesticated animals are still animals... it doesn't matter how much a person loves them. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: BS. See my other post about my dog being good with kids but having hunting tendencies towards a bunny rabbit. And reread my post. You're in that same group of people that will be surprised when your dog attacks your kid, but shouldn't be. Why is it completely acceptable for a cat to hunt small animals and be okay around kids, but a dog that hunts a small animals in a pasture is suddenly a threat to the child? Even domesticated animals are still animals... it doesn't matter how much a person loves them. Cats are considered independent animals in the first place, hence the barn cat here. They are also generally incapable of causing serious harm as most things are much larger then them(people/dogs). GSD's on the other hand are considered very obedient and family oriented. Yet this situation involved a complete lack of either, which is why OP even bothered to post about it. |
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Quoted: We have two female German Shepherds who are usually very well behaved. Last night I was out in the pasture and my barn cat followed me. I did not know this at the time and the pasture is tall with all the rain we have had. The dogs got onto something as they normally do and it turned out to be the cat. That cat was my 6 year old daughter’s pal and she was upset that she couldn't find her this morning before school. At this point they are on my shit list and will be for a while. damn dogs. View Quote Should’ve used the dishwasher |
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You have very poor quality GSD's. If they had have a brain, they would of been protecting the cat because he was a family member. I have have several large dogs for 40+ years that were good friends with many different cats including barn cats. I would not trust those dogs.
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reminds me of my old cat Chuck back when i was a wee little bastard. He was a stray we took in and as such he had a bit of an attitude problem. Then again you might too if two little girls tried dressing you up and squeezing you until you were blue in the face. It was not uncommon for him to be stuck to one of my sisters diapers with his claws dug in because they pissed him off.
Well one day Chuck never came home. We were told he ran away. Little me was bummed out. I liked him. We got along well. He would follow me out to the little fort id built in the woods not far from home. Follow me around the neighborhood occasionally. Turns out the real story was that he was run over by a car but no one ever told me that until I was almost 30. RIP Chuck, going to pour one out for you tonight and maybe bang a whore after bike night. |
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Quoted: Because the dog obviously has tendencies that are not compatible with safe rearing of a 6 year old child. I had a cat that hated my newborn and would just randomly attack her. That cat is long gone. Sorry, but pets are not the same level as children and if you risk ones safety for the sake of keeping the other around you fall into the same group of people who are surprised when their innocent pibble mauled their toddler to death. Animal shows any aggression at all, then they just deemed themselves disposable. You can't train out aggression. View Quote My life is filled with dozens of friends, colleagues, relatives, etc. that have had dogs chase down and get a squirrel, snake, rabbit, possum, raccoons, etc. even a cat wandering into their fenced yard from someone else- Without ever harming one of the kids or family members. Prey drive and aggression are very different things. |
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