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Quoted: The filters don't seem terribly useful. If I want to look at break action rifles in 700jfc, it's there a way to set the search parameters to show me that? View Quote In the filter you should be able to specify keyword and category. I’m sleep deprived at the moment so I’ll check once I’m caught up with this thread. |
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Quoted: Questions: I see the mention of email in the original post. Is this still using IMs or are we forced to go to email. I want to keep my arfcom on arfcom and not on email. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Questions: I see the mention of email in the original post. Is this still using IMs or are we forced to go to email. I want to keep my arfcom on arfcom and not on email. The system will email users notifications as well as IM but no communication between users will go to email and will continue to stay in IM. That system is high on the list for a major overhaul to help make IMs easier to use. It would be nice to see a tutorial, so we don't get fucked into bad feedback because the new system is weird. IMO, since this is now a fee system a detailed tutorial should be expected. There are two help pages which cover things if you hover over the help button on the new system. One is generic EE type help and the other is a how to. I believe one or both are linked in the OP. Gripes: Looking at ad creations, this seems to have taken much of the spirit of a classifieds section away. Way too formal. IMO the accepting offers button should go away as offers are always a thing. You don't have to accept. Also, the shipping information needs to either change or go away as it is cost prohibitive to ship non flat rate items to Alaska or Hawaii. I guess I can't sell a hat to anyone in Canada. Not sure what we're trying to get at here. Ads will be standardized now to be easy to read and see what you are getting. The offer button allows users to make an offer that I buy an item, either for a fixed price or accepting offers listing style. The seller can review all offers for a listing and decide which to accept. Power resides with you. For shipping , it’s again up to you. You can choose to put restrictions in your ad in where you will ship and what methods you want to use. |
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Quoted: It's all great minus the fees. Membership should bypass the fee schedule, just like the ads. Remember when you tried to put ads on paying members? That didn't go over well. "The plan for now" sounds like it will land eventually. View Quote Already covered this. Fees will replace the old dealer program and not impact team members. |
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Quoted: Ouch. I originally read it as no fees for team members, but it clearly says no fees to purchase. I guess team members have to pay to sell, but it's still free to browse and buy. It's either a poorly worded rule or we're legit charging team members for the EE. Why do we buy memberships again? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/99516/Capture_JPG-3155273.JPG View Quote Again no fees for team members. NonTeam will need to eventually validate via CC to sell. This will help with security checks and scammers. The fee will be minor and cover a year. |
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Quoted: Old or new system and what happens? Link to listing? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: I can't edit my for sale ad Old or new system and what happens? Link to listing? I was able to. On your add page upper right corner next to the date there is an edit pen. Click on that. |
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GoatBoy, are there plans to make a "nested" listing setup in a single ad (for similar items that are different makes/prices)? There are folks out there who group multiple related items together in a single ad, which helps declutter the listings, and also helps to combine shipping/offer a better deal.
You can still use the new interface, but have a button to "add new item" or something, and fill out the form the same way you normally do. The new listing method is a direct contrast to the guidance in EE#1 (In order to keep the EE clean, we ask that you combine related items into single ads when appropriate, rather than creating an ad for each related item) If something like this isn't implemented, the guy that has 6 random $10-$20 AR grips is going to make 6 different ads and spam the board with them. |
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I have no idea how much work went into it, but it looks nice. Well done.
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I don’t want to get booted for just saying I hate it (which I do), so I’ll expound on it.
What I like most about forum buying/selling is that it’s not formal like eBay or a website. I just type some stuff out and then 2 guys make a deal. I’m not sure why it needed to be changed entirely after all this time. Also just to note I’m not an old guy who hates change, I’m early 30s and will begrudgingly figure out the new system and give it a try. If you guys wanted to make more money off it you could have just implemented some kind of fee structure vs changing the whole thing. Seems like a lot of time spent designing something nobody was asking for. Also I will agree about the lack of a way to do “parts bin clean out” type sales. There should be a way to list multiple things in the same ad, that seems like a big waste of space on the site and my time having to list multiple 10 dollar items rather than just putting them all together. |
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Looks like a great way to track items and crawl up everyone's ass.
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Quoted: The simpler answer would be to allow certain categories of the EE to have different quantity limits. So if someone is selling mags, for instance, the quantity is higher than if someone is selling rifles. Changing these scaled attributes makes more sense. From a software perspective, your solution doesn't make a ton of sense to me. View Quote We may need to add more categories but yes this works as well. |
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Quoted: I haven't gotten a chance to explore very much, but if limited to one "item" per listing ( old system allowed many items per ad), is there a way to subscribe to certain sellers to know when they update listings or add new ones? These are sellers I follow that update/add to things like brass sales. Thanks- View Quote Not yet but soon we will add subscribing to sellers, saving searches for email notifications, and more. We want to make this easier to use and improve your lives. Yes the listing multiple items for sale in a single ad is the main sacrifice unless they are sold as a set. We think it’s a worthy change but folks need to give it a chance. |
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Quoted: I just listed an item for sale. I received a message saying someone accepted the price. So I had to message them and ask how they wanted to pay. They then asked for more pictures and had questions. Meanwhile, my ad is closed and waiting on the buyer to decide if he is buying..... View Quote Users put offers to buy and can’t just buy an item and lock the ad. You need to accept an offer for the deal to be made. So all of this can be hashed out before you accept to sell to a user. Power still resides in the sellers hands to choose who they want to sell to. |
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You should also require a minimum of 100 posts on the forum to be able to use the EE. That is another way to cut down on scammers.
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Quoted: By him saying he wanted it, my ad got marked as sold. I just check his feedback, big surprise, he has negatives for saying he wanted it then asking for more pictures and then not buying. Edit: I think I screwed myself by hitting accept before researching the "buyer". Lesson learned Edit 2: When I clicked accept, it marked it sold. View Quote We can return the ad to active and remove the offer being accepted. Can you give me the link? |
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Just wanted to say that I really like the new interface. I'm sure there will be bugs to work out, but I think it's a good change overall and I look forward to using it.
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Quoted: GoatBoy, are there plans to make a "nested" listing setup in a single ad (for similar items that are different makes/prices)? There are folks out there who group multiple related items together in a single ad, which helps declutter the listings, and also helps to combine shipping/offer a better deal. You can still use the new interface, but have a button to "add new item" or something, and fill out the form the same way you normally do. The new listing method is a direct contrast to the guidance in EE#1 (In order to keep the EE clean, we ask that you combine related items into single ads when appropriate, rather than creating an ad for each related item) If something like this isn't implemented, the guy that has 6 random $10-$20 AR grips is going to make 6 different ads and spam the board with them. View Quote We agonized over the multiple item per listing and decided to just keep it simple and force more listings to be made. The complexity of managing nested sales wasn’t worth it for now. Maybe things change in the future but for now that was the one sacrifice. We may be able to do something for ads having options. So for your grip example yes we could create a drop down to select the specific option to buy, but to cross different categories would not be recommended. |
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Quoted: We agonized over the multiple item per listing and decided to just keep it simple and force more listings to be made. The complexity of managing nested sales wasn’t worth it for now. Maybe things change in the future but for now that was the one sacrifice. We may be able to do something for ads having options. So for your grip example yes we could create a drop down to select the specific option to buy, but to cross different categories would not be recommended. View Quote I wholly disagree. The problem is that for small items, things are often not worth the cost to ship. But on the flip side, doing something as a "lot" doesn't work either if the buyer doesn't want everything. Having a way to list 100 random things with a flat "$8 shipping, no matter how much you order" makes a lot more sense. So in your grip example, the $10-$20 grips will cost about $5 (minimum) to ship. I can see someone getting no interest that way, whereas someone who wants say, 3 or 4 of them, might be interested. |
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Quoted: I had looked into becoming a dealer, but I am way too small to afford the $3k a year fee. Are you saying I could sell, with fees now? Without a dealer account? View Quote Yes this is the part of fees that’s confusing people. Fees are to replace the dealer program so that you pay based on the sales and not a set fee. This way as you have good or bad years or higher/lower volume your fee will come from sales you make and not a goal you need to reach that has keep dealers from the platform in the past. |
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I think it would be good to add the sellers username to the ad. There are sellers I try to avoid and some I know are awesome to deal with.
Add the user name after the price?? Attached File |
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Quoted: I wholly disagree. The problem is that for small items, things are often not worth the cost to ship. But on the flip side, doing something as a "lot" doesn't work either if the buyer doesn't want everything. Having a way to list 100 random things with a flat "$8 shipping, no matter how much you order" makes a lot more sense. So in your grip example, the $10-$20 grips will cost about $5 (minimum) to ship. I can see someone getting no interest that way, whereas someone who wants say, 3 or 4 of them, might be interested. View Quote So you can add in your listings all your custom shipping rules and it can span across all your listings. Having user “stores” makes it easy for users to see all your listings to buy multiple items with your shipping discount. |
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Quoted: So you can add in your listings all your custom shipping rules and it can span across all your listings. Having user “stores” makes it easy for users to see all your listings to buy multiple items with your shipping discount. View Quote Got it, so it's still allowed to say "Check out my other listings, additional items from other listings shipped at no extra cost?" |
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Quoted: The category is still there. No categories were removed other than WTS/WTB because those are listing options and can be assigned to any category now. You can also see them all if you click the WTS or WTB listing type at the top. View Quote So the separate categories are still there? I'll have to keep playing with it, all I saw was a list. Do we still have state by state? Thank you |
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Since the EE is being redone, can the Lights & Lasers Lights & Lasers - Budget categories be changed?
You can find the a lot of the same brand, same condition items at any given time in either category. Examples, Surefire weapon lights are listed in both. Maybe make one lights, one accessories. Or one weapon mounted lights/lasers, and one other. Or just consolidate? |
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Quoted: So you can add in your listings all your custom shipping rules and it can span across all your listings. Having user “stores” makes it easy for users to see all your listings to buy multiple items with your shipping discount. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: I wholly disagree. The problem is that for small items, things are often not worth the cost to ship. But on the flip side, doing something as a "lot" doesn't work either if the buyer doesn't want everything. Having a way to list 100 random things with a flat "$8 shipping, no matter how much you order" makes a lot more sense. So in your grip example, the $10-$20 grips will cost about $5 (minimum) to ship. I can see someone getting no interest that way, whereas someone who wants say, 3 or 4 of them, might be interested. So you can add in your listings all your custom shipping rules and it can span across all your listings. Having user “stores” makes it easy for users to see all your listings to buy multiple items with your shipping discount. Is the X number of ads per page rule still going to apply? What if someone wants to do a parts bin cleanout ad, with a few $3 picatinny mlok adapters, 5-6 cheap muzzle devices, some grips, mlok covers, etc? If the "2 ads per page" rule still exists, and they have to make 30 ads for each little $5 part, it would take them a year to get everything sold. |
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Quoted: Again no fees for team members. NonTeam will need to eventually validate via CC to sell. This will help with security checks and scammers. The fee will be minor and cover a year. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Ouch. I originally read it as no fees for team members, but it clearly says no fees to purchase. I guess team members have to pay to sell, but it's still free to browse and buy. It's either a poorly worded rule or we're legit charging team members for the EE. Why do we buy memberships again? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/99516/Capture_JPG-3155273.JPG Again no fees for team members. NonTeam will need to eventually validate via CC to sell. This will help with security checks and scammers. The fee will be minor and cover a year. That sucks. The arbitrary credit check and $5 fee is a slap in the face to all of us old timers with 100%positive feedback. It comes off as more of a way to try and strong arm people into buying memberships, which will probably have the opposite effect. I know it will in my case at least. It's going to remove a lot of potential buyers and sellers who have been fair and honest with their dealings on the EE. If you have to run a credit report on people, you should keep it limited to new users or no EE feedback members. |
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Quoted: Is the X number of ads per page rule still going to apply? What if someone wants to do a parts bin cleanout ad, with a few $3 picatinny mlok adapters, 5-6 cheap muzzle devices, some grips, mlok covers, etc? If the "2 ads per page" rule still exists, and they have to make 30 ads for each little $5 part, it would take them a year to get everything sold. View Quote This…. I have close to a dozen items in one active thread in shotgun parts, and another dozen AR parts about to go up between two categories. I’m not wasting my fucking time managing two dozen ads that can’t be seen more than 2 at a time. Selling “lots” and “bundles” should not this difficult, no way should someone have to link over to their other threads. |
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I agree with so many others that the old system was simple and it worked. I understand that need or desire to make more money but adding it to the old system would have been so much better. This formal "accept offers" system seems ass as it was easily done via IM but I guess it has to be this way if down the line fees will be assessed to everyone based on a sold price.
Tacswap went to a a CC charge verification system yet scammers are still there. Based on what I have read so far it seems like the new system here will be very similar to theirs as it relates to how ads get created and posted. Over there you get a certain number of ads for a basic fee. I hope this new system here will carry over the old rule about not allowing people to piss in peoples ads. Tacsawp is a free for all cesspool regarding that. Sniper Hide use to have a minimum post count to sell but took it to another level with insane fees to sell. Like the old saying goes their business their rules. It is what it is and I guess we will see if this moves tanks the best EE on the net. |
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Quoted: That sucks. The arbitrary credit check and $5 fee is a slap in the face to all of us old timers with 100%positive feedback. It comes off as more of a way to try and strong arm people into buying memberships, which will probably have the opposite effect. I know it will in my case at least. It's going to remove a lot of potential buyers and sellers who have been fair and honest with their dealings on the EE. If you have to run a credit report on people, you should keep it limited to new users or no EE feedback members. View Quote Where did you see anything about a credit check? I read it as a $5 credit card validation just to make sure that a person is in the U.S., etc. Given the legal requirements imposed by FCRA, I doubt the site would want to take on that kind of liability. |
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Sooooo......
ARFCOM just created a gun registry, tracking who bought what, and including the geographical information (zip code). Are you planning to turn over all this data to the ATF and/or whatever litigious minded State Attorney? |
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Quoted: The simpler answer would be to allow certain categories of the EE to have different quantity limits. So if someone is selling mags, for instance, the quantity is higher than if someone is selling rifles. Changing these scaled attributes makes more sense. From a software perspective, your solution doesn't make a ton of sense to me. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: So, if I have 20 mags for sale, I would have to sell one at a time because I'm a non Team member now? That's crazy. We have thought about items like mags and need to find a solution that makes sense, but you are right for some items a higher quantity is logical. Right now the plan would be to re-list the ad once it's sold. Users can also sell them as a lot, if you had 10 mags you were selling as a single listing. "Pack of 10 Magpul Gen1 Magazines (Black)". The best long term solution would be to limit quantity based on item value. So an item of less than $10 can have a max quantity of 20, but an item of $10-$20 has a quantity limit of 10. We will play around with it and see what makes sense. The simpler answer would be to allow certain categories of the EE to have different quantity limits. So if someone is selling mags, for instance, the quantity is higher than if someone is selling rifles. Changing these scaled attributes makes more sense. From a software perspective, your solution doesn't make a ton of sense to me. None of it makes sense, other than making images easier for everyone to post. Way too complicated, from the way it's formatted, seems like getting prepped to make it pay to play. |
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My only request so far: Can you PLEASE finally change the search feature to allow two characters instead of the minimum of three? You already rate limit it, so it can't be TOO bad.
It's funny to hear all the old-timers saying that "the old system was better". I've been around long enough to hear this; not only on this site, but many others, for ANY change made. I remember when this site went to the current layout and you'd have thought based on the comments that Armageddon had arrived. All changes suck, but from a data and management point of view, the new system will be infinitely better, safer, easier and all around better - it will just take some time to get used to it. |
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Quoted: That sucks. The arbitrary credit check and $5 fee is a slap in the face to all of us old timers with 100%positive feedback. It comes off as more of a way to try and strong arm people into buying memberships, which will probably have the opposite effect. I know it will in my case at least. It's going to remove a lot of potential buyers and sellers who have been fair and honest with their dealings on the EE. If you have to run a credit report on people, you should keep it limited to new users or no EE feedback members. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Ouch. I originally read it as no fees for team members, but it clearly says no fees to purchase. I guess team members have to pay to sell, but it's still free to browse and buy. It's either a poorly worded rule or we're legit charging team members for the EE. Why do we buy memberships again? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/99516/Capture_JPG-3155273.JPG Again no fees for team members. NonTeam will need to eventually validate via CC to sell. This will help with security checks and scammers. The fee will be minor and cover a year. That sucks. The arbitrary credit check and $5 fee is a slap in the face to all of us old timers with 100%positive feedback. It comes off as more of a way to try and strong arm people into buying memberships, which will probably have the opposite effect. I know it will in my case at least. It's going to remove a lot of potential buyers and sellers who have been fair and honest with their dealings on the EE. If you have to run a credit report on people, you should keep it limited to new users or no EE feedback members. Yeah, this shit is crazy, and quite disturbing. |
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Quoted: Yeah, this shit is crazy, and quite disturbing. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Ouch. I originally read it as no fees for team members, but it clearly says no fees to purchase. I guess team members have to pay to sell, but it's still free to browse and buy. It's either a poorly worded rule or we're legit charging team members for the EE. Why do we buy memberships again? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/99516/Capture_JPG-3155273.JPG Again no fees for team members. NonTeam will need to eventually validate via CC to sell. This will help with security checks and scammers. The fee will be minor and cover a year. That sucks. The arbitrary credit check and $5 fee is a slap in the face to all of us old timers with 100%positive feedback. It comes off as more of a way to try and strong arm people into buying memberships, which will probably have the opposite effect. I know it will in my case at least. It's going to remove a lot of potential buyers and sellers who have been fair and honest with their dealings on the EE. If you have to run a credit report on people, you should keep it limited to new users or no EE feedback members. Yeah, this shit is crazy, and quite disturbing. I’m not sure where you guys are getting that from, I’m not seeing anyone mention stuff about an actual credit check. Just the $5 verification charge with a credit card. I would hope and assume they aren’t doing actual credit inquiries on people. |
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Hi when I go to post it keeps saying that my zip code is invalid?
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Quoted: Old or new system and what happens? Link to listing? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: I can't edit my for sale ad Old or new system and what happens? Link to listing? Old system When I select edit it takes me to the new system format, can't even see my ad https://www.ar15.com/forums/equipment-exchange/PSA-Metalform-ASC-Colt-style-9mm/24-2422687/ |
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Quoted: WTB / WTT are no longer limited to a single category so now you list it in the category you want. This allows easy filtering/searching and to see them all, you can click on the button at the top for the type of sale you are looking for. (WTB for example.) View Quote This is a terrible idea. Very few people want to wade through a bunch of WTB/WTT ads (90% of which are garbage anyway, some guy wanting to buy a correct IHC Garand for $500) to see the items for sale. I've already caught two ads that were reported for this today. Please put WTB back like it was, there was a reason they are segregated. |
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Quoted: I agree with so many others that the old system was simple and it worked. I understand that need or desire to make more money but adding it to the old system would have been so much better. This formal "accept offers" system seems ass as it was easily done via IM but I guess it has to be this way if down the line fees will be assessed to everyone based on a sold price. View Quote Yep. Offers and bargaining back and forth are discussions amongst people, not playing ebay games. A workaround I guess is to just use fixed price, and then put right up top in the ad that "offers will be considered-just IM me". Or just do fixed price and let it sort it's self out. I also just previewed a test ad with a 0 price. I guess if we do that it drives someone to read the ad. IMO, it looks like a great sales platform for simple things. 1 $5 bill. Price 5.68. More complicated stuff, time and feedback will tell. |
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EE search still sucks ass. There's still no way to filter out threads which have been marked as sold. More annoyingly, search results don't even show the "SOLD" prefix for threads, even though that data exists, since it gets shown when you open a thread.
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Quoted: This is a terrible idea. Very few people want to wade through a bunch of WTB/WTT ads (90% of which are garbage anyway, some guy wanting to buy a correct IHC Garand for $500) to see the items for sale. I've already caught two ads that were reported for this today. Please put WTB back like it was, there was a reason they are segregated. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: WTB / WTT are no longer limited to a single category so now you list it in the category you want. This allows easy filtering/searching and to see them all, you can click on the button at the top for the type of sale you are looking for. (WTB for example.) This is a terrible idea. Very few people want to wade through a bunch of WTB/WTT ads (90% of which are garbage anyway, some guy wanting to buy a correct IHC Garand for $500) to see the items for sale. I've already caught two ads that were reported for this today. Please put WTB back like it was, there was a reason they are segregated. Yep |
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Quoted: You should also require a minimum of 100 posts on the forum to be able to use the EE. That is another way to cut down on scammers. View Quote This only works if mods get to work using the banhammer more for worthless/pointless "+1" post-whoring (which, don't get me wrong, I'd be all for.) Otherwise it's not much of an impediment. |
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Why mess with the easiest EE to use on the web, and instead uncomplicate the terrible search engine for the entire site, which has been a peoblem since forever?
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@GoatBoy
Also please bring back the EE RSS feeds, at least for Team members. I used to be able to set up my RSS reader to alert me when something was posted for sale that I was interested in, and then a couple years ago the RSS feeds got removed. Periodically searching manually for stuff is dumb when I used to be able to just set a rule and forget about it until I got a match. |
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Looks good so far!
Please add a way to add more photo's. Many times more than 5 is needed. I've been replying to my own ad's if more than 5 are needed. |
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