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Posted: 4/26/2024 7:17:08 PM EDT
[Last Edit: highstepper]
No briefcase, Homie…not John Wick…
Jim Zubiena….   Miami Vice Jim Zubiena Mozambique drill scene |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 4/26/2024 7:19:56 PM EDT
[#1]
what 80s gun-play scene is complete without the appearance of a SPAS-12 ??
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Posted: 4/26/2024 7:50:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MFP_4073: what 80s gun-play scene is complete without the appearance of a SPAS-12 ?? Well, yeah.
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Posted: 4/26/2024 7:58:24 PM EDT
[#3]
Impressive.
I guess the beauty of being a civilian is I don’t ever have to worry about holding someone at gunpoint like this. If I’m legal to draw, I’m legal to shoot. I’m fast, but I’m not going to bet my life that I’m faster than some bad guy. Should have shot him when he had the chance |
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MS, USA
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Posted: 4/26/2024 7:59:59 PM EDT
[#4]
Jim Zubienna. They used to show this clip in DEA firearms classes.
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Posted: 4/26/2024 8:00:35 PM EDT
[#5]
There's a sweet Datsun B-210 at the end of the scene too.
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Posted: 4/26/2024 8:22:06 PM EDT
[#6]
That one scene turned me into a Miami Vice fan back in 1984.
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TX, USA
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Posted: 4/26/2024 8:42:19 PM EDT
[#7]
Michael Mann was smart letting a pro do that
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KY, USA
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Posted: 4/26/2024 8:46:24 PM EDT
[#8]
Appendix carry....
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Posted: 4/26/2024 8:52:39 PM EDT
[#9]
One of the best TV series of all time.
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FL, USA
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Posted: 4/26/2024 8:54:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 10mmillie: Michael Mann was smart letting a pro do that His movie Thief did the same concept for gun play training. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 4/26/2024 8:55:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 67Firebird: One of the best TV series of all time. https://i.postimg.cc/1tNCZjkY/Miami_Vice_Assn.gif True statement |
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Posted: 4/26/2024 9:01:40 PM EDT
[#12]
But he dropped the rubber gloves at the crime scene. Wouldn't they have had had finger prints inside them?
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Posted: 4/26/2024 9:10:38 PM EDT
[#13]
yo homie. that my briefcase?
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Posted: 4/26/2024 9:13:21 PM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LibertyShip: But he dropped the rubber gloves at the crime scene. Wouldn't they have had had finger prints inside them? Not to mention DNA today ... Still one heck of a demonstration of shooting skills |
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Posted: 4/26/2024 9:14:41 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 67Firebird]
[#15]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LibertyShip: But he dropped the rubber gloves at the crime scene. Wouldn't they have had had finger prints inside them? Yes, and likely DNA (if he was sweating at all). He also moved the gun before putting the gloves on, so his prints are on there too. All that aside, that guy is fast! Edit - Beat, because I type too slowly. 
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USA
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Posted: 4/26/2024 9:21:16 PM EDT
[#16]
Been posted officially as the Mozambique Challenge on Pistol-Forum. 1.38 sec. par. Insane.
That's about my time (on a good day!) for ONE shot COM from concealment @ 7 yards. |
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Posted: 4/26/2024 9:25:45 PM EDT
[#17]
one of the all time great gunplay scenes
but didn't the prop gun malfunction during one of the last fired rounds? |
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Posted: 4/26/2024 10:25:04 PM EDT
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If you watch closely you can see the cable that pulled yellow sweater back after being shot. Why ruin a good shot of the shooter with that little detail?
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TX, USA
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Posted: 4/26/2024 10:47:13 PM EDT
[#19]
Did he ever explain why he dropped the mag after 3 rounds on a gun he tossed?
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USA
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Posted: 4/26/2024 10:52:22 PM EDT
[#20]
I don't ever trust anyone wearing shooting glasses outside of the range.
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CT, USA
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Posted: 4/26/2024 10:53:27 PM EDT
[#21]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZonQaYbxbFM
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Posted: 4/26/2024 10:57:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LetFreedomBeep: Did he ever explain why he dropped the mag after 3 rounds on a gun he tossed? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LetFreedomBeep: Did he ever explain why he dropped the mag after 3 rounds on a gun he tossed? Immediately after gunning down Nicky, Armstrong ejects the magazine of his pistol, racks the slide to clear the chamber, squeezes the trigger to lower the hammer, and places the pistol on Nicky's body. The unloading of the pistol has since been discussed a lot. Actor Zubiena stated in a Combat Handgun interview from 1986 that "since there were no fingerprints on the gun, as soon as I'd gotten rid of it there would no longer be any physical evidence to connect me with the crime the reason I put the gun on his chest wasn't for any tactical reason or as some kind of calling card, but because the director told me to." That makes sense, but does not explain the unloading. Years later he stated that his intention was to prevent it from being used against him. However, the "unload, show clear, hammer down" sequence looks suspiciously like ingrained behaviour from endless repetition in IPSC training and matches one of those things that distinguishes IPSC from combat shooting (Tactical Shooting, p. 49). After ejecting the magazine and the chambered round, he would not have needed to lower the hammer. Intentional or accidental, the scene's shooting shows perfect form. |
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Posted: 4/26/2024 10:58:58 PM EDT
[Last Edit: vaughn4380]
[#23]
never mind, answered above
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Posted: 4/26/2024 11:01:05 PM EDT
[#24]
Is that Guy Pearce?
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Posted: 4/27/2024 12:57:25 AM EDT
[#25]
Which is faster revolver or auto? What is the faster draw position for both?
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Posted: 4/27/2024 1:13:56 AM EDT
[#26]
He was my ccw instructor a few years ago.
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USA
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Posted: 4/27/2024 1:17:15 AM EDT
[#27]
Episode ran on Pluto earlier in the week.
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TX, USA
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Posted: 4/27/2024 7:56:02 AM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Pair_of_ACES: Impressive. I guess the beauty of being a civilian is I don’t ever have to worry about holding someone at gunpoint like this. If I’m legal to draw, I’m legal to shoot. Not necessarily true in Texas |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 8:15:00 AM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ming_The_Merciless: Not to mention DNA today ... Still one heck of a demonstration of shooting skills Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ming_The_Merciless: Originally Posted By LibertyShip: But he dropped the rubber gloves at the crime scene. Wouldn't they have had had finger prints inside them? Not to mention DNA today ... Still one heck of a demonstration of shooting skills Concur. Hated to nit-pick but that has always bothered me ever since I saw it first time on TV with rabbit ears. Still, (I hate the term) but it is the iconic scene of its type! |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 8:21:25 AM EDT
[#30]
Great scene.
Interesting side note: The pyrotechnics they used for the limo windows blowing out caused a bunch of big windows to shatter in the surrounding buildings. It got pretty expensive. I know that area and grew up in Miami watching the series. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 8:23:13 AM EDT
[#31]
Legit exhibition. No camera tricks, no CGI.
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Posted: 4/27/2024 8:58:43 AM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Pair_of_ACES: Should have shot him when he had the chance |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 8:59:45 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LibertyShip: But he dropped the rubber gloves at the crime scene. Wouldn't they have had had finger prints inside them? |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 9:04:31 AM EDT
[#34]
Jim did an interview about that which is available on YouTube.
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Posted: 4/27/2024 9:15:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By webtaz99: He also left full hand prints on the car. Much easier to make out. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By webtaz99: Originally Posted By LibertyShip: But he dropped the rubber gloves at the crime scene. Wouldn't they have had had finger prints inside them? If he had access to the car, wouldn’t it have been simpler to rig it to explode? Great scene though. The one by which all others are measured. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 9:21:36 AM EDT
[#36]
Thank you for posting that clip. I’d actually looked for it a few months ago and gave up.
One of my favorite scenes. I’ve watched it at least two dozen times. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 9:23:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JLPettimoreIII: yo homie. that my briefcase? Yeah, that’s another classic. “Maybe you won’t even twitch.” is another MV favorite. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 9:33:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PlaneJane: Yeah, that's another classic. "Maybe you won't even twitch." is another MV favorite.  Collateral (4/9) Movie CLIP - That My Briefcase? (2004) HD dat anchor shot. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 9:34:12 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/27/2024 10:03:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryOriginally Posted By JLPettimoreIII: Originally Posted By PlaneJane: Yeah, that's another classic. "Maybe you won't even twitch." is another MV favorite.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEFPcljAXgsdat anchor shot. It ain't a real "Mozambique" without the one to the head. Michael Mann has always tried to be "On It" with the firearm action in his crime movies. |
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USA
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Posted: 4/27/2024 10:13:55 AM EDT
[#41]
Awesome scene.
Was DNA a concern in 1984? |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 10:26:47 AM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LibertyShip: Concur. Hated to nit-pick but that has always bothered me ever since I saw it first time on TV with rabbit ears. Still, (I hate the term) but it is the iconic scene of its type! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LibertyShip: Originally Posted By Ming_The_Merciless: Originally Posted By LibertyShip: But he dropped the rubber gloves at the crime scene. Wouldn't they have had had finger prints inside them? Not to mention DNA today ... Still one heck of a demonstration of shooting skills Concur. Hated to nit-pick but that has always bothered me ever since I saw it first time on TV with rabbit ears. Still, (I hate the term) but it is the iconic scene of its type! I could be wrong but I don’t think DNA tech was that far along in the ‘80s, and could they even lift a print from the inside of a glove back then? |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 11:19:53 AM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Pair_of_ACES: Impressive. I guess the beauty of being a civilian is I don’t ever have to worry about holding someone at gunpoint like this. If I’m legal to draw, I’m legal to shoot. I’m fast, but I’m not going to bet my life that I’m faster than some bad guy. Should have shot him when he had the chance  |
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TN, USA
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Posted: 4/27/2024 11:50:24 AM EDT
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They showed it when I went through Sheriff's Academy in 2005/6.
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Posted: 4/27/2024 12:08:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JoeDevola: Been posted officially as the Mozambique Challenge on Pistol-Forum. 1.38 sec. par. Insane. That's about my time (on a good day!) for ONE shot COM from concealment @ 7 yards. I always wondered what the par on this scene was. Crazy. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 12:16:53 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Ming_The_Merciless]
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 1975: I could be wrong but I don’t think DNA tech was that far along in the ‘80s, and could they even lift a print from the inside of a glove back then? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 1975: Originally Posted By LibertyShip: Originally Posted By Ming_The_Merciless: Originally Posted By LibertyShip: But he dropped the rubber gloves at the crime scene. Wouldn't they have had had finger prints inside them? Not to mention DNA today ... Still one heck of a demonstration of shooting skills Concur. Hated to nit-pick but that has always bothered me ever since I saw it first time on TV with rabbit ears. Still, (I hate the term) but it is the iconic scene of its type! I could be wrong but I don’t think DNA tech was that far along in the ‘80s, and could they even lift a print from the inside of a glove back then? I don't think DNA tech was anywhere the miracles it provides now compared to the crude early abilities it was back then, but taking a finger print off the interior of a rubber glove certainly wouldn't be rocket science. Use tweezer to turn glove - fingers inside out - take prints. Moisture Body oil should give a decent set of prints, but they may not all be "perfect" (perhaps some are smudged but it would also give many other points of comparison for the hand (including the palms). Maybe the gloves were so his hands wouldn't show firearms residue? But then I think that residue from firing would also be on his clothing too so ... Best thing would have been for hit dude to disappear those gloves in a furnace or fire ASAP. The "How Effective was DNA in the 80's" question was bugging me, so I just did some research on DNA forensics. "The methods for producing a DNA profile were developed by Alec Jeffreys and his team in 1985. Jefferys discovered that an unknown sample of DNA such as blood, hair, saliva, or semen could be analyzed and a unique DNA pattern/profile could be developed. A year after his discovery, Jefferys was asked to use his new found DNA analysis to convict a man that police believed was responsible for 2 rape murders. Jefferys proved that the man was innocent using DNA from the crime scene." So apparently the first DNA Forensic case was in 1986. I think it has taken a long time for DNA science & forensics to get to the point we can use & match DNA samples from minor contact instead of significant body fluids. Anyway, it remains one hell of a draw & Mozambique for some great TV watching. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 12:21:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ming_The_Merciless: I don't think DNA tech was anywhere the miracles it provides now compared to the cruder early abilities it was back then, but taking a finger print off the interior of a rubber glove certainly wouldn't be rocket science. Use tweezer to turn glove - fingers inside out - take prints. Moisture Body oil should give a decent set of prints, but they may not all be "perfect" (perhaps some are smudged but it would also give many other points of comparison for the hand (including the palms). Maybe the gloves were so his hands wouldn't show firearms residue? But then I think that residue from firing would also be on his clothing too so ... Best thing would have been for hit dude to disappear those gloves in a furnace or fire ASAP. They How Effective was DNA in the 80's question was bugging me, so I just did some research on DNA forensics. "The methods for producing a DNA profile were developed by Alec Jeffreys and his team in 1985. Jefferys discovered that an unknown sample of DNA such as blood, hair, saliva, or semen could be analyzed and a unique DNA pattern/profile could be developed. A year after his discovery, Jefferys was asked to use his new found DNA analysis to convict a man that police believed was responsible for 2 rape murders. Jefferys proved that the man was innocent using DNA from the crime scene." I think it has taken a long time for DNA science & forensics to get to the point we can use & match DNA samples from minor contact instead of significant body fluids. Anyway, it remains one hell of a draw & Mozambique for some great TV watching. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 12:24:34 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryThank you. I was too lazy to look it up and post it. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 1:25:08 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AR18: His movie Thief did the same concept for gun play training. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AR18: Originally Posted By 10mmillie: Michael Mann was smart letting a pro do that His movie Thief did the same concept for gun play training. James Caan was impressed by the trainers at Thunder Ranch. He said something like "Those guys really ARE that good". |
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NV, USA
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Posted: 4/27/2024 1:29:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By curiomatic: James Caan was impressed by the trainers at Thunder Ranch. He said something like "Those guys really ARE that good". Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By curiomatic: Originally Posted By AR18: Originally Posted By 10mmillie: Michael Mann was smart letting a pro do that His movie Thief did the same concept for gun play training. James Caan was impressed by the trainers at Thunder Ranch. He said something like "Those guys really ARE that good".  Used a Jim Hoag custom 1911,  
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