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Posted: 3/12/2024 10:27:07 PM EDT
[#1]
Lawyer up. Plead not guilty in the meanwhile, so a court date will be set for trial.
Focus on the intent. Especially when the cop felt there was none. It is a requirement for conviction. Worth the money to not have a conviction. Lawyer will ask Target how it will look when the cop testifies that he felt they should have just let her pay up, and she lacked intent (which will 100% torpedo the theft case). So probably it can be resolved before trial. Target didn’t do anything wrong, but they should have gone for the civil compromise suggested by the cop. The people jabbering about her not leaving the store, suing the store, saying they assaulted her, etc, well they don’t know what they are talking about… The DA is likely to refuse to prosecute this anyhow once they read the report, especially if a lawyer calls up and indicates they will be contesting it, requesting a jury trial, and all that. Not worth the DA’s time at that point. Trust me, they dump far more prosecutable cases for far less problems in the case… |
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Posted: 3/12/2024 10:27:12 PM EDT
[#2]
I would have been angry if that happened to me .
My mind would be yelling disengage |
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Posted: 3/12/2024 10:27:24 PM EDT
[#3]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It doesn't sound like theft. Sounds like an honest mistake no intent to deprive. Cop shouldn't have even wrote a citation. If he believed it was a mistake I would think he would have the power to decline to enforce a law that he doesn't think was broken. Yeah, I don’t think LP can make a cop write a citation he doesn’t want to write. If they want to go to the DA and swear out a warrant, that’s on them then. |
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Posted: 3/12/2024 10:28:47 PM EDT
[#4]
I just want to know what right they had to detain her?? Store security are not cops. Sounds like kidnapping to me.
To bad she didn't have a gun and shot them as soon as they put her in the room. 2 to the chest and one to the head |
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Posted: 3/12/2024 10:28:52 PM EDT
[#5]
Get a lawyer, the prosecutor will drop it
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Posted: 3/12/2024 10:28:57 PM EDT
[#6]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Most guys here have never been in trouble and it shows Why are so many saying hire an attorney for a young girls first offense? A tiny offense at that. Too many movies. The judge will throw it out or give her probation at BEST. Why spend thousands of dollars on a lawyer? Ill bet a pmag on it. |
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Posted: 3/12/2024 10:29:08 PM EDT
[#7]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Passing the checkout is the crime. Attempting to leave the store via not paying. Leaving the store has nothing to do with it. Stop with the logic! All these folks think store policy=law! |
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Posted: 3/12/2024 10:29:12 PM EDT
[#8]
I recommend she hire the best criminal law attorney in the county. She should hire the lawyer that judges hire when they get jammed up. That lawyer will be on a first name basis with every judge, bailiff, prosecutor and clerk in the courthouse.
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Posted: 3/12/2024 10:29:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: "An actor commits retail theft if the actor knowingly:" Bolded and redded for the blind among us. If only it could be in Crimson. 
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Posted: 3/12/2024 10:30:28 PM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Shes not going to be charged for theft. She will plead down to something lesser if at all and get probation with some court fines. Again, ill bet pmags on it. Young girl, no priors, video evidence that it is seemingly an honest mistake, etc She's already charged with theft. What do you think the court date is for? You mean convicted? Well, that's something else. I'm waiting for my PMag. :) |
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Posted: 3/12/2024 10:31:28 PM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Most guys here have never been in trouble and it shows Why are so many saying hire an attorney for a young girls first offense? A tiny offense at that. Too many movies. The judge will throw it out or give her probation at BEST. Why spend thousands of dollars on a lawyer? Ill bet a pmag on it. Why are some people having a hard time understanding even a minor conviction on her record can ruin her life? The convection could prevent her from having the job she wants. |
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Posted: 3/12/2024 10:31:32 PM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Can’t always judge intent. If someone leaves the POS with merchandise they didn’t pay for, they can claim they forgot. Now, a reasonable person would give them the chance to pay for the items if they were left on the bottom of the cart. Sounds like LP was told by store management to press charges on all incidents, regardless of the situation. She got screwed because other people have been stealing. Not if they let two other people go... |
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Posted: 3/12/2024 10:31:37 PM EDT
[#13]
Subpoena the cop and the store video.
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Posted: 3/12/2024 10:31:50 PM EDT
[#14]
My own personal policy is to NEVER allow myself to be taken back into a store. Like a socket wrench I only go one direction until I choose to go the other.
We're settling it there, outside. Or farther into the lot. Not inside. |
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Posted: 3/12/2024 10:32:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm not convinced OPs friends daughter isn't spinning a tale. -but she said she dindu it!  |
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Posted: 3/12/2024 10:32:09 PM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted: While I agree in principle. Maybe don't steal shit? |
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Posted: 3/12/2024 10:32:17 PM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Lawyer up. Plead not guilty in the meanwhile, so a court date will be set for trial. Focus on the intent. Especially when the cop felt there was none. It is a requirement for conviction. Worth the money to not have a conviction. Lawyer will ask Target how it will look when the cop testifies that he felt they should have just let her pay up, and she lacked intent (which will 100% torpedo the theft case). So probably it can be resolved before trial. Target didn’t do anything wrong, but they should have gone for the civil compromise suggested by the cop. The people jabbering about her not leaving the store, suing the store, saying they assaulted her, etc, well they don’t know what they are talking about… The DA is likely to refuse to prosecute this anyhow once they read the report, especially if a lawyer calls up and indicates they will be contesting it, requesting a jury trial, and all that. Not worth the DA’s time at that point. Trust me, they dump far more prosecutable cases for far less problems in the case… This is assuming the story is truthful, which I doubt. |
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Posted: 3/12/2024 10:32:23 PM EDT
[#18]
I've been a lawyer for longer than some of you guys have been alive.
SHE NEEDS TO HIRE AN EXPERIENCED LAWYER. THIS IS NOTHING TO SCREW AROUND WITH. |
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Posted: 3/12/2024 10:32:59 PM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Subpoena the cop and the store video. Why? the prosecution will do that already once it goes to trial. |
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Posted: 3/12/2024 10:33:17 PM EDT
[#20]
How much is her future worth to the father?
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Posted: 3/12/2024 10:34:04 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: First offense and with all the circumstances provided? I would bet money its thrown or probation at best....nothing on record. Be prepared for fines though, thats why theyre there, after all Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Why are so many dudes saying hire an attorney for a young girls first offense? A tiny offense at that. Too many movies. The judge will either throw it out or give her probation. Why spend thousands of dollars? Ill bet a pmag on it. It's a theft conviction on her record. It will seriously hurt her ability to find employment or even get into some schools. She needs a lawyer. First offense and with all the circumstances provided? I would bet money its thrown or probation at best....nothing on record. Be prepared for fines though, thats why theyre there, after all What makes you think there will be no record of the conviction? |
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Posted: 3/12/2024 10:34:51 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If I forget to scan an item in self check out, I'm a criminal. When a store employee scans something too many times and over charges me, it is an "accident". When a store has one price on the shelf, then scans a higher price at the register, that's an "accident" too. well, of course. gotta trust legal system & cops n all that. |
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Posted: 3/12/2024 10:35:21 PM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I've been a lawyer for longer than some of you guys have been alive. SHE NEEDS TO HIRE AN EXPERIENCED LAWYER. THIS IS NOTHING TO SCREW AROUND WITH. Yep |
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Posted: 3/12/2024 10:35:45 PM EDT
[#24]
The employees sound absolutely retarded. Recognizing that it seemed like an honest mistake and letting her pay for it should have been the first option.
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Posted: 3/12/2024 10:38:05 PM EDT
[#25]
This is easy. Lawyer up. Civilly sue target.
Target drops charges, they pay your legal fees and she can buy herself a new Kia. Large companies go through great lengths to avoid civil suits and they roll the dice that you won’t hire an attorney. The second they sense any real backlash they will tuck tail and run away. |
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Posted: 3/12/2024 10:38:28 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Have her get a lawyer. The citation is to a court - we would call it sessions - other places may be a municipal court. Get the officer's bodycamera footage and get the reports from the officer. The lawyer can subpeona the target footage. The main issue is that the officer saw no probable cause and target loss prevention decided to charge for non concealed goods still i inside the store. The goal would be to get a dismissal and an expungement of the arrest. Secondary may be to civilly sue Target. HTH This, and I will add that while an attorney seems like the expensive route, it is 10000% worth it as nothing is ever actually sealed, so if she ever wants a job that does a criminal background check (line as any type of educator or child care worker) she WILL have to disclose/explain, and it will likely at least push her down on the list of applicants. |
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Posted: 3/12/2024 10:38:30 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I just want to know what right they had to detain her?? Store security are not cops. Sounds like kidnapping to me. To bad she didn't have a gun and shot them as soon as they put her in the room. 2 to the chest and one to the head Quote HistoryQuoted: I just want to know what right they had to detain her?? Store security are not cops. Sounds like kidnapping to me. To bad she didn't have a gun and shot them as soon as they put her in the room. 2 to the chest and one to the head Least unhinged GD poster Quoted: This is easy. Lawyer up. Civilly sue target. Target drops charges, they pay your legal fees and she can buy herself a new Kia. Large companies go through great lengths to avoid civil suits and they roll the dice that you won’t hire an attorney. The second they sense any real backlash they will tuck tail and run away. Sue them for what? |
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Posted: 3/12/2024 10:38:39 PM EDT
[#28]
I really hope the OP gets the real story and posts it.
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Posted: 3/12/2024 10:38:49 PM EDT
[#29]
Dad should go down to target and start cussing management out
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Posted: 3/12/2024 10:39:27 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I really hope the OP gets the real story and posts it. Lol. Me too. |
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Posted: 3/12/2024 10:39:46 PM EDT
[#31]
Lawyer, OP. That lip gloss and box of Trojans ain't worth gambling over.
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Posted: 3/12/2024 10:40:14 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Least unhinged GD poster Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I just want to know what right they had to detain her?? Store security are not cops. Sounds like kidnapping to me. To bad she didn't have a gun and shot them as soon as they put her in the room. 2 to the chest and one to the head Least unhinged GD poster Both of you are ignorant. LP apprehension is legal. Good way to spend your life in prison. |
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Posted: 3/12/2024 10:40:59 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Both of you are ignorant. LP apprehension is legal. Good way to spend your life in prison. I'm agreeing with you, genius. It was an absolutely insane take. |
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Posted: 3/12/2024 10:41:08 PM EDT
[#34]
That's why you NEVER use self checkout. If you make a mistake, it gets real serious real fast.
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Posted: 3/12/2024 10:41:13 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Get a lawyer, the prosecutor will drop it This. Lawyer is like $2500, it is a lot, but that is the reality of what is needed. |
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Posted: 3/12/2024 10:41:35 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You obviously don't know how a criminal history works. That's follows you for life! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Most guys here have never been in trouble and it shows Why are so many saying hire an attorney for a young girls first offense? A tiny offense at that. Too many movies. The judge will throw it out or give her probation at BEST. Why spend thousands of dollars on a lawyer? Ill bet a pmag on it. Yeah, but she's 99% not going to be charged for theft considering all the circumstances |
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Posted: 3/12/2024 10:41:35 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I just want to know what right they had to detain her?? Store security are not cops. Sounds like kidnapping to me. To bad she didn't have a gun and shot them as soon as they put her in the room. 2 to the chest and one to the head Why not turn a misdemeanor which will probably result in community service turn into a murder conviction and life in prison? |
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Posted: 3/12/2024 10:41:53 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I really hope the OP gets the real story and posts it. Thank you! |
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Posted: 3/12/2024 10:41:58 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm agreeing with you, genius. It was an absolutely insane take. Sorry, I missed the sarcasm. There's a lot of stupidity and ignorance in this thread. |
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Posted: 3/12/2024 10:42:42 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I really hope the OP gets the real story and posts it. This story is about as real as the “hot thief caught and fucked” videos on PornHub. |
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Posted: 3/12/2024 10:42:47 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If they didn’t pay, yes. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The shelf under the cart that the store provides is concealed? So every customer that puts a pack of TP there is concealing the item? If they didn’t pay, yes. How exactly is an uninclosed shelf concealed? |
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Posted: 3/12/2024 10:42:57 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: She's already charged with theft. What do you think the court date is for? You mean convicted? Well, that's something else. I'm waiting for my PMag. :) Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Shes not going to be charged for theft. She will plead down to something lesser if at all and get probation with some court fines. Again, ill bet pmags on it. Young girl, no priors, video evidence that it is seemingly an honest mistake, etc She's already charged with theft. What do you think the court date is for? You mean convicted? Well, that's something else. I'm waiting for my PMag. :) Sorry. Yes, convicted. Im talking to 5 different people now. What do I get if if win? |
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Posted: 3/12/2024 10:43:47 PM EDT
[#43]
Several LP guys have explained what happens and several lawyers have advised to get a lawyer. I would read these posts carefully and get a fucking lawyer.
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Posted: 3/12/2024 10:43:56 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I just want to know what right they had to detain her?? Store security are not cops. Sounds like kidnapping to me. To bad she didn't have a gun and shot them as soon as they put her in the room. 2 to the chest and one to the head Shopkeeper's privilege. |
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Posted: 3/12/2024 10:44:17 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah, but she's 99% not going to be charged for theft considering all the circumstances Sounds like she's already charged. If not, what's the court date for? Maybe I'm just arguing over semantics. |
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Posted: 3/12/2024 10:44:59 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Why not turn a misdemeanor which will probably result in community service turn into a murder conviction and life in prison? BEcAuse ShE NevER Left TeH StOrE!!!! |
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Posted: 3/12/2024 10:45:18 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Not if they let two other people go... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Can’t always judge intent. If someone leaves the POS with merchandise they didn’t pay for, they can claim they forgot. Now, a reasonable person would give them the chance to pay for the items if they were left on the bottom of the cart. Sounds like LP was told by store management to press charges on all incidents, regardless of the situation. She got screwed because other people have been stealing. Not if they let two other people go... I wonder if you can supeona the information of the two other people. Make it about race. |
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Posted: 3/12/2024 10:45:21 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How exactly is an uninclosed shelf concealed? An example is, placing lingerie inside a pair of jeans, paying for the jeans while lingerie remains concealed inside them. |
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Posted: 3/12/2024 10:45:22 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: "An actor commits retail theft if the actor knowingly:" Bolded and redded for the blind among us. Quote HistoryQuoted: "An actor commits retail theft if the actor knowingly:" Bolded and redded for the blind among us. "These aren't my pants". People say things like that all the time.  Quoted: The shelf under the cart that the store provides is concealed? So every customer that puts a pack of TP there is concealing the item? If they don't pay for it yes. Remember this is like the game of telephone. You are hearing from the OP's "friend" who was told by his friend's daughter. literally 3rd hand information. |
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Posted: 3/12/2024 10:45:41 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What makes you think there will be no record of the conviction? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Why are so many dudes saying hire an attorney for a young girls first offense? A tiny offense at that. Too many movies. The judge will either throw it out or give her probation. Why spend thousands of dollars? Ill bet a pmag on it. It's a theft conviction on her record. It will seriously hurt her ability to find employment or even get into some schools. She needs a lawyer. First offense and with all the circumstances provided? I would bet money its thrown or probation at best....nothing on record. Be prepared for fines though, thats why theyre there, after all What makes you think there will be no record of the conviction? Because she won't be convicted of theft on a first offense with the circumstances. She will get probation at best, plead to a lesser charge (not theft) I'm not a lawyer, just basing it off probabilities Again , I'll bet anyone a pmag she won't have THEFT on her record |
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