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AZ, USA
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Posted: 4/11/2024 11:40:43 PM EDT
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Got mine today and very pleased. No dry firing allowed which didn't surprise me but it comes with a dry fire buffer to prevent damage to the pistol. Comes with 2 mags as well. I'll take it out this weekend to run it through its paces
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FL, USA
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Posted: 4/12/2024 10:59:14 AM EDT
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Nice pick up, Johnny. I think that version at $599 may have been the best deal-getting the integral 11 mm rail and not getting stuck with the 3 dot sights of the IPSC model. I have faint hope that the Expert will have the integral rail when I pick it up.
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Posted: 4/12/2024 7:13:55 PM EDT
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Picked up my Sport today. The nose "weight" was 15 grams empty, so I cut some lead strips and now it is 55 grams. Feels nice with that in the nose.
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Posted: 4/12/2024 7:24:38 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 917-30]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By scharfshutze06: Got mine today and very pleased. No dry firing allowed which didn't surprise me but it comes with a dry fire buffer to prevent damage to the pistol. Comes with 2 mags as well. I'll take it out this weekend to run it through its paces You can safely dry fire it if you have the dry fire plug installed.  Attached File |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 4/12/2024 9:46:48 PM EDT
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When I had my X-esse I liked the 165/180 front weight. I put the two numbers in because not all sellers agreed on the weight.
Sources can be Earl's Repair, Champion's Choice, Walther /Umerex in Arkansas, and Red Feather Outfitters. Maybe also try Krales in The Netherlands. |
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Posted: 4/12/2024 9:57:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TZ250: I like my Russian clunker https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/319389/IMG_3073_jpeg-3180585.JPG Woah woah hold up what is THAT? @TZ250 details please? |
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Posted: 4/12/2024 10:00:58 PM EDT
[Last Edit: mousehunter]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BikerNut: I used to shoot 10-meter air pistol postal matches in the basement at the old house. I could do it here, too, but I (stupidly) sold the gun years ago. The most expensive match-grade pellets are really cheap compared to match-grade .22. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/163640/Aeron_Brno_Chameleon_jpg-3179546.JPG |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 4/12/2024 10:01:48 PM EDT
[Last Edit: scharfshutze06]
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917-30 - I didn’t see anything like that in my box. Just the red handled tool and hard cardboard square…
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TX, USA
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Posted: 4/12/2024 10:17:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By scharfshutze06: 917-30 - I didn’t see anything like that in my box. Just the red handled tool and hard cardboard square… Try the little ziploc bag. (Should be in the rectangular cutout, might be in the large bag with the manual behind the foam. What is the cardboard for? |
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Posted: 4/12/2024 10:40:26 PM EDT
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GA, USA
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Posted: 4/12/2024 10:54:58 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Clovis_Ledbetter_Jr]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rudukai13: Woah woah hold up what is THAT? @TZ250 details please? IZH-35M, from Russia. https://www.nramuseum.org/media/364370/Jun%2000.pdf The metal hardening of the chamber face and bolt face were inconsistent so metal can be deformed causing multiple shots or accidental discharge when dropping the slide. A friend wanted to buy one. I did some research and suggested not too. He bought one. After a while it started firing when loading a new magazine and dropping the slide. Luckily he only shot holes in his Bullseye pistolbox that was on the shooting bench. He later moved on to a Pardini SP with an additional 32 ACP barrel kit. |
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Posted: 4/13/2024 3:15:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Clovis_Ledbetter_Jr: IZH-35M, from Russia. https://www.nramuseum.org/media/364370/Jun%2000.pdf The metal hardening of the chamber face and bolt face were inconsistent so metal can be deformed causing multiple shots or accidental discharge when dropping the slide. A friend wanted to buy one. I did some research and suggested not too. He bought one. After a while it started firing when loading a new magazine and dropping the slide. Luckily he only shot holes in his Bullseye pistolbox that was on the shooting bench. He later moved on to a Pardini SP with an additional 32 ACP barrel kit. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Clovis_Ledbetter_Jr: Originally Posted By Rudukai13: Woah woah hold up what is THAT? @TZ250 details please? IZH-35M, from Russia. https://www.nramuseum.org/media/364370/Jun%2000.pdf The metal hardening of the chamber face and bolt face were inconsistent so metal can be deformed causing multiple shots or accidental discharge when dropping the slide. A friend wanted to buy one. I did some research and suggested not too. He bought one. After a while it started firing when loading a new magazine and dropping the slide. Luckily he only shot holes in his Bullseye pistolbox that was on the shooting bench. He later moved on to a Pardini SP with an additional 32 ACP barrel kit. Thank you! I’m still just learning about all these kinds of pistols and trying to soak up as much information as possible right now |
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Posted: 4/13/2024 12:32:10 PM EDT
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I just picked up my sport. I didn’t see the dry fire caps in my box either
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Posted: 4/13/2024 12:33:26 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Curmudgeon762]
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And the shop had a very nice HD Victor on the shelf. I had to stop myself from whipping out the plastic again
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Posted: 4/13/2024 12:36:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Curmudgeon762: And the shop had a vert nice HD Victor on the shelf. I had to stop myself from whipping out the plastic again @curmudgeon762 if you don't mind, since I am looking for a Victor, what was the price on it, did it have the underbarrel weight and did it have the push button barrel retention? |
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Posted: 4/13/2024 12:44:43 PM EDT
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$700. Had the button release but I don’t recall a weight. Two mags in VG to excellent condition from just looking through the display case. I didn’t have them take it out or I would have probably bought it
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Posted: 4/13/2024 12:48:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Curmudgeon762: $700. Had the button release but I don’t recall a weight. Two mags in VG to excellent condition from just looking through the display case. I didn’t have them take it out or I would have probably bought it Decent price! The hunt continues! |
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Posted: 4/13/2024 12:55:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Curmudgeon762: $700. Had the button release but I don’t recall a weight. Two mags in VG to excellent condition from just looking through the display case. I didn’t have them take it out or I would have probably bought it HD Victor? What shop? |
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Posted: 4/13/2024 12:58:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WDEagle: HD Victor? What shop? Pm sent |
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Posted: 4/13/2024 1:01:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By scharfshutze06: 917-30 - I didn’t see anything like that in my box. Just the red handled tool and hard cardboard square… Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By scharfshutze06: 917-30 - I didn’t see anything like that in my box. Just the red handled tool and hard cardboard square… Originally Posted By Curmudgeon762: I just picked up my sport. I didn’t see the dry fire caps in my box either My Trailside came with the red one in the top of the bag. The Trailside was bought used at a gunshow so I don't know if it came with the plug or if the previous owner added it. I ordered the orange ones from Larry's Guns in Maine. Red Feather in Ohio purchased Larry's business and might still sell the dry fire plug but I didn't see them listed at their website. The site isn't very well organized so I could have missed them. |
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Posted: 4/13/2024 1:08:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Curmudgeon762: Pm sent Thanks |
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Posted: 4/13/2024 8:48:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Curmudgeon762: I just picked up my sport. I didn’t see the dry fire caps in my box either @Curmudgeon762 we need pics man! Any plans for modifications? Red dot? |
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Posted: 4/13/2024 8:53:39 PM EDT
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Does anyone know of anyone who makes truly custom anatomical grips? Wanting something ambidextrous like the Benelli MP95 grip. Any recommendations for proper red dot sights?
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Posted: 4/13/2024 8:54:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rudukai13: @Curmudgeon762 we need pics man! Any plans for modifications? Red dot? I’ll try to get pics tomorrow. As far as plans for it I’m thinking it may go in the safe until my youngest makes Eagle Scout. I figure it will be something that he cherishes for many years |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 4/13/2024 10:40:07 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Clovis_Ledbetter_Jr]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rudukai13: Does anyone know of anyone who makes truly custom anatomical grips? Wanting something ambidextrous like the Benelli MP95 grip. Any recommendations for proper red dot sights? Thomas Rink offers ambidextrous grips. For target shooting round red dots work best. I like Aimpoint H-1s 2 MOA with hoods and 2 MOA 9000SCs with a front hood as they work good in the rain, good parallax, good lenses, the battery life is great and they survive multiple sight adjustments between 50 and 25 yards. You're in a grip fitter desert in the USA. Try this: DICK HORTON MATCH GRIPS - NEW E-MAIL ADDRESS (Click on this and you will want to smoke a cigarette afterwards. Lots of target pistol pron.) If you know where you want to get to you can fit your own grips, but it is a tough road. There are several grip fitters in Europe. Some companies offer production grips, like Rink, Nill, and Morini. I like Rink for the price and they are close to what I want, so I don't mind fitting them. Morini really nails it for my hand and has great details. No experience with Nills. |
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Posted: 4/14/2024 5:15:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Clovis_Ledbetter_Jr: Thomas Rink offers ambidextrous grips. For target shooting round red dots work best. I like Aimpoint H-1s 2 MOA with hoods and 2 MOA 9000SCs with a front hood as they work good in the rain, good parallax, good lenses, the battery life is great and they survive multiple sight adjustments between 50 and 25 yards. You're in a grip fitter desert in the USA. Try this: DICK HORTON MATCH GRIPS - NEW E-MAIL ADDRESS (Click on this and you will want to smoke a cigarette afterwards. Lots of target pistol pron.) If you know where you want to get to you can fit your own grips, but it is a tough road. There are several grip fitters in Europe. Some companies offer production grips, like Rink, Nill, and Morini. I like Rink for the price and they are close to what I want, so I don't mind fitting them. Morini really nails it for my hand and has great details. No experience with Nills. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Clovis_Ledbetter_Jr: Originally Posted By Rudukai13: Does anyone know of anyone who makes truly custom anatomical grips? Wanting something ambidextrous like the Benelli MP95 grip. Any recommendations for proper red dot sights? Thomas Rink offers ambidextrous grips. For target shooting round red dots work best. I like Aimpoint H-1s 2 MOA with hoods and 2 MOA 9000SCs with a front hood as they work good in the rain, good parallax, good lenses, the battery life is great and they survive multiple sight adjustments between 50 and 25 yards. You're in a grip fitter desert in the USA. Try this: DICK HORTON MATCH GRIPS - NEW E-MAIL ADDRESS (Click on this and you will want to smoke a cigarette afterwards. Lots of target pistol pron.) If you know where you want to get to you can fit your own grips, but it is a tough road. There are several grip fitters in Europe. Some companies offer production grips, like Rink, Nill, and Morini. I like Rink for the price and they are close to what I want, so I don't mind fitting them. Morini really nails it for my hand and has great details. No experience with Nills. Can/will Dick Horton make grips for abnormal guns that might not otherwise be supported? |
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Posted: 4/14/2024 5:28:21 PM EDT
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GA, USA
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Posted: 4/14/2024 7:15:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rudukai13: Can/will Dick Horton make grips for abnormal guns that might not otherwise be supported? They are pretty flexible, so ask. I think the limitation is having a frame to model from. Having had to adjust revolver stocks to fit frames I appreciate companies like Herretts and Rink who get the frame fit correct. |
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Posted: 4/16/2024 11:34:56 AM EDT
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Any additional updates from people who purchased a Hammerli?
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WA, USA
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Posted: 4/16/2024 1:58:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Clovis_Ledbetter_Jr: IZH-35M, from Russia. https://www.nramuseum.org/media/364370/Jun%2000.pdf The metal hardening of the chamber face and bolt face were inconsistent so metal can be deformed causing multiple shots or accidental discharge when dropping the slide. A friend wanted to buy one. I did some research and suggested not too. He bought one. After a while it started firing when loading a new magazine and dropping the slide. Luckily he only shot holes in his Bullseye pistolbox that was on the shooting bench. He later moved on to a Pardini SP with an additional 32 ACP barrel kit. I bought one when first imported late 1990s . It FA'd straight out of the box. A little increase in sear engagement fixed it. Neat gun but Russian Quality. The Walther Kp200 and FWB AW93 are based off it. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 4/16/2024 3:42:47 PM EDT
[Last Edit: scharfshutze06]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Wineraner: Try the little ziploc bag. (Should be in the rectangular cutout, might be in the large bag with the manual behind the foam. What is the cardboard for? I’m not sure what the cardboard is for at all. I did find the blue in color dry fire block. Took it to the range today and after the 1 st 5 rounds it ran like a top. I love the trigger and its reset… def happy with it Added***. What velocity ammo should I be running in it? Standard ONLY or will high velocity be ok ? What FPS is most ideal? The owners manual was not very specific Also I understand to manual slingshot the slide to load instead of using the thumb slide release. Any other tidbits I should know to ensure weapon longevity? |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 4/16/2024 3:59:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rudukai13: Any additional updates from people who purchased a Hammerli? It's more accurate than I am. I can see the front sight with readers, but seeing the bull is now totally hopeless, lol. I get it's suposed to be blurry, but this is like trying to stick a fog bank on the front sight. Front sight is much narrower than the LPA on the RIA 45. Lots of gap. If I don't follow my impulse to make it exactly even on both sides, still quite functional. Haven't felt the need yet to slap some lead tape on the front weight. (Hey, it works great for golf clubs...) Runs Eley and Norma Tac-22, will not run Wolf Match Target. Likely needs break in. Mags are a little annoying and flimsy. Functional though, once I learned how *not* to load them. Lighter, different trigger than the RIA Pro Match. No ftf beyond the Wolf mess. Quite happy with it. Especially at this price. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 4/16/2024 4:35:15 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Arel_T_Dubue]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rudukai13: Any additional updates from people who purchased a Hammerli? I picked mine up over the weekend, but didn't spend much time on it or shoot it. It seems nice overall, my one concern is that the slide to frame fit seems very loose side to side. I imagine that it isn't a big deal, or maybe it could cause some flyers. A custom scope and iron sight rail would be pretty sweet, but I'm not sure that I want to spend that much time and money on this gun. I will probably design some new ambi grips for it, though. |
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Posted: 4/16/2024 6:57:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By scharfshutze06: I’m not sure what the cardboard is for at all. I did find the blue in color dry fire block. Took it to the range today and after the 1 st 5 rounds it ran like a top. I love the trigger and its reset… def happy with it Added***. What velocity ammo should I be running in it? Standard ONLY or will high velocity be ok ? What FPS is most ideal? The owners manual was not very specific Also I understand to manual slingshot the slide to load instead of using the thumb slide release. Any other tidbits I should know to ensure weapon longevity? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By scharfshutze06: I’m not sure what the cardboard is for at all. I did find the blue in color dry fire block. Took it to the range today and after the 1 st 5 rounds it ran like a top. I love the trigger and its reset… def happy with it Added***. What velocity ammo should I be running in it? Standard ONLY or will high velocity be ok ? What FPS is most ideal? The owners manual was not very specific Also I understand to manual slingshot the slide to load instead of using the thumb slide release. Any other tidbits I should know to ensure weapon longevity? The Trailside manual states high quality factory manufactured .22 LR in either standard or high velocity is suitable. I mostly shoot CCI SV and Aguila SE in mine but that's mainly because I have a lot of both. Never had any issues with any decent brand of ammo, though. Originally Posted By Arel_T_Dubue: I picked mine up over the weekend, but didn't spend much time on it or shoot it. It seems nice overall, my one concern is that the slide to frame fit seems very loose side to side. I imagine that it isn't a big deal, or maybe it could cause some flyers. A custom scope and iron sight rail would be pretty sweet, but I'm not sure that I want to spend that much time and money on this gun. I will probably design some new ambi grips for it, though. I wouldn't worry about the slide to frame fit because it is a blowback pistol that has the barrel integral to the frame. That's why they are so accurate. The design is a greatly simplified version of the Hammerli 208. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 4/16/2024 7:18:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 917-30: The Trailside manual states high quality factory manufactured .22 LR in either standard or high velocity is suitable. I mostly shoot CCI SV and Aguila SE in mine but that's mainly because I have a lot of both. Never had any issues with any decent brand of ammo, though. I wouldn't worry about the slide to frame fit because it is a blowback pistol that has the barrel integral to the frame. That's why they are so accurate. The design is a greatly simplified version of the Hammerli 208. I follow you, but I believe the rear sight is frame mounted on the 208, and it’s slide mounted on this gun. It still may be a non-issue, but that slide fit doesn’t inspire me. |
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Posted: 4/16/2024 7:19:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Clovis_Ledbetter_Jr: IZH-35M, from Russia. https://www.nramuseum.org/media/364370/Jun%2000.pdf The metal hardening of the chamber face and bolt face were inconsistent so metal can be deformed causing multiple shots or accidental discharge when dropping the slide. A friend wanted to buy one. I did some research and suggested not too. He bought one. After a while it started firing when loading a new magazine and dropping the slide. Luckily he only shot holes in his Bullseye pistolbox that was on the shooting bench. He later moved on to a Pardini SP with an additional 32 ACP barrel kit. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Clovis_Ledbetter_Jr: Originally Posted By Rudukai13: Woah woah hold up what is THAT? @TZ250 details please? IZH-35M, from Russia. https://www.nramuseum.org/media/364370/Jun%2000.pdf The metal hardening of the chamber face and bolt face were inconsistent so metal can be deformed causing multiple shots or accidental discharge when dropping the slide. A friend wanted to buy one. I did some research and suggested not too. He bought one. After a while it started firing when loading a new magazine and dropping the slide. Luckily he only shot holes in his Bullseye pistolbox that was on the shooting bench. He later moved on to a Pardini SP with an additional 32 ACP barrel kit. This is a common misconception. My IZh would full auto Federal 711B brand new out of the box. The problem was that the pistols were engineered around Russian steel case 22LR that was not SAMMI spec. After I grew tired of the doubling I measured the headspace on my pistol and it was right at .040”. Spec for US/Euro ammo is .043-.051 I made tooling and reset my headspace to .046 and the pistol has not doubled since. I also made a batch of new extractors since the parts are NLA  Attached File Attached FileIf the grips have enough material you can rework them to fit your hand. That’s what I did. Then I added the stippling and made a larger hand shelf.  Attached File |
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Posted: 4/16/2024 8:30:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tangeant: I bought one when first imported late 1990s . It FA'd straight out of the box. A little increase in sear engagement fixed it. Neat gun but Russian Quality. The Walther Kp200 and FWB AW93 are based off it. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tangeant: Originally Posted By Clovis_Ledbetter_Jr: IZH-35M, from Russia. https://www.nramuseum.org/media/364370/Jun%2000.pdf The metal hardening of the chamber face and bolt face were inconsistent so metal can be deformed causing multiple shots or accidental discharge when dropping the slide. A friend wanted to buy one. I did some research and suggested not too. He bought one. After a while it started firing when loading a new magazine and dropping the slide. Luckily he only shot holes in his Bullseye pistolbox that was on the shooting bench. He later moved on to a Pardini SP with an additional 32 ACP barrel kit. I bought one when first imported late 1990s . It FA'd straight out of the box. A little increase in sear engagement fixed it. Neat gun but Russian Quality. The Walther Kp200 and FWB AW93 are based off it. KSP200,yes. The Feinwerkbau AW93 has different Russian lineage. |
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Posted: 4/16/2024 8:45:02 PM EDT
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Anyone know if other adjustable rear sights will fit these? I have a Trailside and bought the Trailside adjustable rear from Red Feather, the only difference on the factory adjustable model that I can tell is the dovetail is set further forward and a relief is cut in the slide. The height is no different. The problem is I ran out of vertical adjustment and the only fix with this rear would be to mill off some height of the front sight. I kinda want to see if I can get a slightly taller rear before doing permanent mods.
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Posted: 4/16/2024 8:59:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Arel_T_Dubue: I follow you, but I believe the rear sight is frame mounted on the 208, and it’s slide mounted on this gun. It still may be a non-issue, but that slide fit doesn’t inspire me. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Arel_T_Dubue: Originally Posted By 917-30: The Trailside manual states high quality factory manufactured .22 LR in either standard or high velocity is suitable. I mostly shoot CCI SV and Aguila SE in mine but that's mainly because I have a lot of both. Never had any issues with any decent brand of ammo, though. I wouldn't worry about the slide to frame fit because it is a blowback pistol that has the barrel integral to the frame. That's why they are so accurate. The design is a greatly simplified version of the Hammerli 208. I follow you, but I believe the rear sight is frame mounted on the 208, and it’s slide mounted on this gun. It still may be a non-issue, but that slide fit doesn’t inspire me. @Arel_T_Dubue Solution: https://www.champchoice.com/cc-scope-mount-for-hammerli-x-esse-ccxsm Divorce your sighting system from the slide entirely. It’ll be the most mechanically accurate option available |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 4/16/2024 9:52:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TZ250: KSP200,yes. The Feinwerkbau AW93 has different Russian lineage. Thanks for hopping on that distinction. Haidurov’s Legacy History of Walther KSP200 and Feinwerkbau AW93 |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 4/16/2024 10:08:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Coffin-Nail: Anyone know if other adjustable rear sights will fit these? I have a Trailside and bought the Trailside adjustable rear from Red Feather, the only difference on the factory adjustable model that I can tell is the dovetail is set further forward and a relief is cut in the slide. The height is no different. The problem is I ran out of vertical adjustment and the only fix with this rear would be to mill off some height of the front sight. I kinda want to see if I can get a slightly taller rear before doing permanent mods. I had an X-esse and ran out of rear sight vertical adjustment for a center hold. Luckily Walther has several front sights with different heights available in their parts catalog. (This was the three sided front sight.) A feature I didn't like for competition shooting was the LPA rear sight windage adjustment was not linear. Five clicks right might give me three movements right and two to the left. A machinist friend clamped the slide in a vice and demonstrated the movements with a dial indicator. Also, I could never find anything that fit the rear sight cut on the slide. |
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Posted: 4/16/2024 11:00:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Clovis_Ledbetter_Jr: Thanks for hopping on that distinction. Haidurov’s Legacy History of Walther KSP200 and Feinwerkbau AW93 Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Clovis_Ledbetter_Jr: Originally Posted By TZ250: KSP200,yes. The Feinwerkbau AW93 has different Russian lineage. Thanks for hopping on that distinction. Haidurov’s Legacy History of Walther KSP200 and Feinwerkbau AW93 Thank you for sharing those links! I love reading as much historical/technical info on guns that get my attention like these do, very much appreciated! |
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Posted: 4/17/2024 2:37:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Arel_T_Dubue: I follow you, but I believe the rear sight is frame mounted on the 208, and it’s slide mounted on this gun. It still may be a non-issue, but that slide fit doesn’t inspire me. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Arel_T_Dubue: Originally Posted By 917-30: The Trailside manual states high quality factory manufactured .22 LR in either standard or high velocity is suitable. I mostly shoot CCI SV and Aguila SE in mine but that's mainly because I have a lot of both. Never had any issues with any decent brand of ammo, though. I wouldn't worry about the slide to frame fit because it is a blowback pistol that has the barrel integral to the frame. That's why they are so accurate. The design is a greatly simplified version of the Hammerli 208. I follow you, but I believe the rear sight is frame mounted on the 208, and it’s slide mounted on this gun. It still may be a non-issue, but that slide fit doesn’t inspire me. That's a very valid point that I didn't consider. I'd like to hear the range report when you try it out. . For anyone interested, it looks like Red Feather does sell the dry fire chamber plugs in packs of ten for $10. |
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Posted: 4/17/2024 3:41:30 AM EDT
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Picked mine up Friday and thew some oil on the slide and ran to the range.
Shot CCI Std velocity, about 12 magazines worth. Sights were dead on at about 7 yards. No stoppages at all. I will be looking into adding weight to the front. Darn thing is so light it kind of moves around a lot. I like how my Ruger Mk 2 is kind of heavy and sort of hangs in my hand. Great deal for $600. |
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Posted: 4/17/2024 7:12:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 917-30: That's a very valid point that I didn't consider. I'd like to hear the range report when you try it out. . For anyone interested, it looks like Red Feather does sell the dry fire chamber plugs in packs of ten for $10. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 917-30: Originally Posted By Arel_T_Dubue: Originally Posted By 917-30: The Trailside manual states high quality factory manufactured .22 LR in either standard or high velocity is suitable. I mostly shoot CCI SV and Aguila SE in mine but that's mainly because I have a lot of both. Never had any issues with any decent brand of ammo, though. I wouldn't worry about the slide to frame fit because it is a blowback pistol that has the barrel integral to the frame. That's why they are so accurate. The design is a greatly simplified version of the Hammerli 208. I follow you, but I believe the rear sight is frame mounted on the 208, and it’s slide mounted on this gun. It still may be a non-issue, but that slide fit doesn’t inspire me. That's a very valid point that I didn't consider. I'd like to hear the range report when you try it out. . For anyone interested, it looks like Red Feather does sell the dry fire chamber plugs in packs of ten for $10. Yellow drywall anchors are even cheaper. |
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Posted: 4/17/2024 9:00:21 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By scharfshutze06: I’m not sure what the cardboard is for at all. I did find the blue in color dry fire block. Took it to the range today and after the 1 st 5 rounds it ran like a top. I love the trigger and its reset… def happy with it Added***. What velocity ammo should I be running in it? Standard ONLY or will high velocity be ok ? What FPS is most ideal? The owners manual was not very specific Also I understand to manual slingshot the slide to load instead of using the thumb slide release. Any other tidbits I should know to ensure weapon longevity? I haven't tried HV, beyond Norma Tac-22, however fast that is. It's a paper-only gun in my mind, and 'just' subsonic is the way to go there, so it's not anything I'd try. It is giggle inducing accurate right now. 10 shot group at 25 yds with Eley Target, that satisfy the grapefruit challenge one-handed. Only way I know that is because I was using shoot n sees, because the target retriever trolley got stuck at the end of the range. Figures. It's very nice to know that any fliers are due to user error. .45 Gold Medal 185s are doing much the same in this Rock Island---see red X zone, blot out red X zone---but I suspect it's going to lose that race with the Hammerli. Aside, older Chip's Shooting Star mags help avoid 3-point jams with this load, and other magazines don't in this gun. I suspect a higher, snugger magazine catch like EGW's would help. |
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Posted: 4/17/2024 9:57:04 AM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Arel_T_Dubue: I picked mine up over the weekend, but didn't spend much time on it or shoot it. It seems nice overall, my one concern is that the slide to frame fit seems very loose side to side. I imagine that it isn't a big deal, or maybe it could cause some flyers. A custom scope and iron sight rail would be pretty sweet, but I'm not sure that I want to spend that much time and money on this gun. I will probably design some new ambi grips for it, though. I haven’t fired my Sport but I just gave in a thorough examination. No slop in any direction with my slide |
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Posted: 4/17/2024 3:52:31 PM EDT
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Who’s planning on making modifications and what’re y’all thinking? Weights, optic, grip, etc?
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Posted: 4/17/2024 11:47:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rudukai13: Who’s planning on making modifications and what’re y’all thinking? Weights, optic, grip, etc? Probably going to try a few more sessions, but depending on those, thicker front sight blade and then maybe the 3d printed grips that I think Clovis mentioned. But 2" 10 shot groups @25 yds one-handed are kind of a, "Why are we screwing with this again? situation. |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 5:06:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rudukai13: Thank you for sharing those links! I love reading as much historical/technical info on guns that get my attention like these do, very much appreciated! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rudukai13: Originally Posted By Clovis_Ledbetter_Jr: Originally Posted By TZ250: KSP200,yes. The Feinwerkbau AW93 has different Russian lineage. Thanks for hopping on that distinction. Haidurov’s Legacy History of Walther KSP200 and Feinwerkbau AW93 Thank you for sharing those links! I love reading as much historical/technical info on guns that get my attention like these do, very much appreciated! Always been fascinated by target pistols, starting with a High Standard Victor when I was a teenager. This is what I really want:  Attached File |
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