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Posted: 4/25/2024 8:59:21 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Marie]
We finally found someone who said she understood working from home was not an option. We even had her sign something that she agreed WFH was not an option. Had the required experience and knew her stuff. Her references had nothing but praise. This job is an entry writer for customs clearances. Hard 8-5 hours in the office.
She lasted two days. First day, all she needed was training on our software and getting up to speed on particular customers. She did really well. At 3 pm, she hands me her files and said she had to get her kids from school. Unusual on first day, but maybe there was an emergency. I asked her the next morning if everything was OK, and she said yes. Same thing day two at 3pm. Gives me files and says she has to get her kids from school. I told her we would have to talk in the morning. That meeting the third morning was an eye opener. There were no emergencies requiring her to get kids from school. It was regular pickup. She expected to work 6 hours and get paid for 8, complete with benefits. I told her we were more than happy to keep her on part-time, but that meant no benefits. She refused, saying she needed the money and the benefits. She was let go right then. Accounting cut her a check for the two days work and buh bye! Nearly every office job I have ever had after college, I have gotten work dumped on me by coworkers with kids. They were always given permission to leave early, come in late, take off in the middle of the day - anything that involved the kids, or so they said, and NEVER had to make the time off. While if I took off a few hours for a doctor appointment, I had to work late/through my lunch if I didn’t want to lose vacation time. First time I’ve ever had control over the parent dumping work on me and you’re damned right I wasn’t going to let her get away with it. You’re paid for 8 hours of work and if you can’t do it, buh bye. EDIT: she handed me files she couldn’t finish because she was leaving early. The job is salaried. |
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Posted: 4/25/2024 9:03:47 AM EDT
[#1]
I know a guy a like that. Perpetually late and out the door early to get the kids. And his wife is a stay at home mom.
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Posted: 4/25/2024 9:05:57 AM EDT
[#2]
She wasn't honest. Good firing.
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MP, USA
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Posted: 4/25/2024 9:07:19 AM EDT
[#3]
You about to get sued.
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USA
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Posted: 4/25/2024 9:07:40 AM EDT
[#4]
Was her work for the day completed when she handed you the files?
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Posted: 4/25/2024 9:08:10 AM EDT
[#5]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Underscore_O_Three: You about to get sued. White woman who couldn’t fulfill job responsibilities? Highly doubt it. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 4/25/2024 9:08:42 AM EDT
[#6]
was she hourly?
the way you describe it, it sounds like she handed in 8 hours of work that she finished in 6 |
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Posted: 4/25/2024 9:09:03 AM EDT
[#7]
Well done! Her kids aren't your problem, she either makes arrangements or she doesn't get the job, sounds like she made her choice.
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Posted: 4/25/2024 9:09:09 AM EDT
[#8]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cooper1: Was her work for the day completed when she handed you the files? Nope. The files she handed me were ones she couldn’t do because she was leaving early. She would have gotten them done if she didn’t leave at 3. |
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Posted: 4/25/2024 9:09:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mcantu: was she hourly? the way you describe it, it sounds like she handed in 8 hours of work that she finished in 6 Nope. Salaried. |
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Posted: 4/25/2024 9:09:36 AM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cooper1: Was her work for the day completed when she handed you the files? That wasn't the issue, she gets paid for 8 hours and even of she finishes in 6 she still is required to fulfil her 8 hours. |
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USA
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Posted: 4/25/2024 9:10:28 AM EDT
[#11]
That is more common that what you might think. Where I work regular schedule adjustments for parents get granted as well as remote work permissions due to children is common and the flexibility in the workplace is denied for those that don't. Same goes for child tax credits. Those with Kids get a break while those of us without dependents get soaked. It has always been that way.
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USA
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Posted: 4/25/2024 9:10:48 AM EDT
[#12]
Need to increase the salary range to attract higher quality candidates
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Posted: 4/25/2024 9:11:14 AM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 73RR: That wasn't the issue, she gets paid for 8 hours and even of she finishes in 6 she still is required to fulfil her 8 hours. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 73RR: Originally Posted By Cooper1: Was her work for the day completed when she handed you the files? That wasn't the issue, she gets paid for 8 hours and even of she finishes in 6 she still is required to fulfil her 8 hours. She hadn’t finished her work for the day since she as leaving early. |
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Posted: 4/25/2024 9:11:47 AM EDT
[#14]
We hired a woman that knew it wasnt a work from home job.
Job paid 180,000 a year She lived over an hour away and thought once she got in she could say she needed work from home and it would be granted. She lost her job |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 4/25/2024 9:12:02 AM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 73RR: That wasn't the issue, she gets paid for 8 hours and even of she finishes in 6 she still is required to fulfil her 8 hours. |
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Posted: 4/25/2024 9:12:11 AM EDT
[#16]
Good firing for multiple reasons... Couldn't even be honest/truthful up front with you.
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Posted: 4/25/2024 9:12:11 AM EDT
[Last Edit: pale_pony]
[#17]
Originally Posted By Marie: We finally found someone who said she understood working from home was not an option. We even had her sign something that she agreed WFH was not an option. Had the required experience and knew her stuff. Her references had nothing but praise. This job is an entry writer for customs clearances. Hard 8-5 hours in the office. She lasted two days. First day, all she needed was training on our software and getting up to speed on particular customers. She did really well. At 3 pm, she hands me her files and said she had to get her kids from school. Unusual on first day, but maybe there was an emergency. I asked her the next morning if everything was OK, and she said yes. Same thing day two at 3pm. Gives me files and says she has to get her kids from school. I told her we would have to talk in the morning. That meeting the third morning was an eye opener. There were no emergencies requiring her to get kids from school. It was regular pickup. She expected to work 6 hours and get paid for 8, complete with benefits. I told her we were more than happy to keep her on part-time, but that meant no benefits. She refused, saying she needed the money and the benefits. She was let go right then. Accounting cut her a check for the two days work and buh bye! Nearly every office job I have ever had after college, I have gotten work dumped on me by coworkers with kids. They were always given permission to leave early, come in late, take off in the middle of the day - anything that involved the kids, or so they said, and NEVER had to make the time off. While if I took off a few hours for a doctor appointment, I had to work late/through my lunch if I didn’t want to lose vacation time. First time I’ve ever had control over the parent dumping work on me and you’re damned right I wasn’t going to let her get away with it. You’re paid for 8 hours of work and if you can’t do it, buh bye. I fucked up and took a new job that was a big promotion to a department head right after I got out of college I worked for a family owned (read: Nepotistic) company called Property Company of America owned by a family named Hinch. I was made "Assistant Comptroller" with an entire department of 18 accountants answering to me 18...ALL FEMALE...accounting department Every. Damn. Day. it was something else Project needs everyone to work late? NOT ME, gotta pick up my kids from school. Soccer practice. Can't work this weekend, it's my weekend with the kids (well, last weekend was 'your weekend with the kids' too Need all those hours off? sounds like you need a part-time job instead "OH NO, GOTTA HAS THOSE BENNIES...MY EX IS A PIECE OF SHIT AND CAN'T KEEP A JOB WITH HEALTH INSURANCE BECAUSE HE'S A DRUNK CARPENTER/MECHANIC/WELDER/WHATEVER" NEVER AGAIN! When they offered me another promotion to move to Houston, I said no...so I got fired and everyone else moved to Houston AND guess what? 6-months later everyone the company moved to Houston with them got laid off and the company was washed through bankruptcy...and stuck...JOBLESS, in Houston for God's sake...WITH NO JOBS Dear Grant, ever wonder how you nearly went to federal pound-you-in-the-ass prison for the elephant's tusks you arrogantly and illegally kept displayed in your office? WASNT ME...it was one of the knee jerk leftist earth mom's in my group, but I know who did  ETA: Synchronistic Cycles is a very real thing 
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TX, USA
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Posted: 4/25/2024 9:12:31 AM EDT
[Last Edit: CanaryCamaro]
[#18]
Threads like this make me appreciate my WFH job with management that understands a work life balance. I’m a father to two young girls and have commitments where I have to leave early twice a week to do things with them. I make up my time and then some each week.
Edited to add good firing. Sounds like she didn’t clearly communicate the need to leave early every damn day. |
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Posted: 4/25/2024 9:14:36 AM EDT
[#19]
Yup just announce you are leaving early, two days in a row, without approval or non-emergency, is pretty fucking bold, especially when she knew the hours expected. I can't imagine just casually walking out.
Sounds like she does this routinely and just milks benefits for a little while before her game is up. I wonder what would happen if she did it again today, but instead of letting her leave, you said you had more files for her. |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 4/25/2024 9:15:08 AM EDT
[#20]
You sound like a joy to work alongside and be around. Not even taking that woman’s side, but don't you make weekly threads bitching about co-workers?
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TX, USA
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Posted: 4/25/2024 9:15:16 AM EDT
[#21]
Yeah, she should have arranged childcare if child pickup wasn’t part of the employment agreement. Oh well.
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Posted: 4/25/2024 9:15:18 AM EDT
[#22]
If the job is 8am-5pm she stays till 5pm. Period. Even if she has to surf ARFCOM for the last 87 minutes. And doubly so if she still has work to complete.
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Posted: 4/25/2024 9:15:46 AM EDT
[#23]
Did her resume have a history of short tenure at prior jobs?
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Posted: 4/25/2024 9:16:28 AM EDT
[#24]
There are a lot of companies that can allow shift shifting for needs like hers but that would mean she had to get up a couple hours earlier. I'm guessing she neither asked or revealed.
I don't know of a school system that doesn't have after school care that wouldn't work for what you described; ours even runs busses for the after school kids. Good firing, two days of frustration is a small price vs it dragging on longer. People like that will always burden their coworkers. |
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Posted: 4/25/2024 9:16:33 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Boom_Stick]
[#25]
She shouldve made that clear upfront, so yeah, her fault.
However, unless she had no way of retrieving her kids (family, husband, friend) AND she came back to work afterwards....we should be supporting families. |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 4/25/2024 9:16:50 AM EDT
[#26]
Now you have all her work to do.
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Posted: 4/25/2024 9:17:32 AM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Underscore_O_Three: You about to get sued. The job requirements were clearly delineated to be from 8:00 to 5:00 pm as a condition of employment. |
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Posted: 4/25/2024 9:17:54 AM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 73RR: That wasn't the issue, she gets paid for 8 hours and even of she finishes in 6 she still is required to fulfil her 8 hours. What bullshit is that? So if someone finished the job early they just stand around the office and twirl thumbs until 5? If you get done you are done. |
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Posted: 4/25/2024 9:18:59 AM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Underscore_O_Three: You about to get sued. LOL WTF? |
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Posted: 4/25/2024 9:20:11 AM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By H1Mech: You sound like a joy to work alongside and be around. Not even taking that woman’s side, but don't you make weekly threads bitching about co-workers? This |
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Posted: 4/25/2024 9:20:54 AM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pale_pony: LOL I fucked up and took a new job that was a big promotion to a department head right after I got out of college I worked for a family owned (read: Nepotistic) company called Property Company of America owned by a family named Hinch. I was made "Assistant Comptroller" with an entire department of 18 accountants answering to me 18...ALL FEMALE...accounting department Every. Damn. Day. it was something else Project needs everyone to work late? NOT ME, gotta pick up my kids from school. Soccer practice. Can't work this weekend, it's my weekend with the kids (well, last weekend was 'your weekend with the kids' too Need all those hours off? sounds like you need a part-time job instead "OH NO, GOTTA HAS THOSE BENNIES...MY EX IS A PIECE OF SHIT AND CAN'T KEEP A JOB WITH HEALTH INSURANCE BECAUSE HE'S A DRUNK CARPENTER/MECHANIC/WELDER/WHATEVER" NEVER AGAIN! When they offered me another promotion to move to Houston, I said no...so I got fired and everyone else moved to Houston AND guess what? 6-months later everyone the company moved to Houston with them got laid off and the company was washed through bankruptcy...and stuck...JOBLESS, in Houston for God's sake...WITH NO JOBS Dear Grant, ever wonder how you nearly went to federal pound-you-in-the-ass prison for the elephant's tusks you arrogantly and illegally kept displayed in your office? WASNT ME...it was one of the knee jerk leftist earth mom's in my group, but I know who did ETA: Synchronistic Cycles is a very real thing Women don’t work overtime. It is a fact of life. |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 4/25/2024 9:21:04 AM EDT
[#32]
Why isn't WFH an option?
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MP, USA
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Posted: 4/25/2024 9:21:48 AM EDT
[#33]
It's a woman.
Special victim status. White male employer? I'm telling you - she doesn't need to have standing. She will sue. |
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Posted: 4/25/2024 9:22:35 AM EDT
[#34]
Good firing from your perspective, I definitely would let someone go for not being up front with me. I also absolutely understand her side and would/do leave work early to get my kid. I would tell management to pound sand if they told me anything about it.
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Posted: 4/25/2024 9:23:10 AM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Underscore_O_Three: It's a woman. Special victim status. White male employer? I'm telling you - she doesn't need to have standing. She will sue. this IS clown world we're living in now...I'll allow it |
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Posted: 4/25/2024 9:24:58 AM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mojeb21: What bullshit is that? So if someone finished the job early they just stand around the office and twirl thumbs until 5? If you get done you are done. It's just micromanager BS. |
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Posted: 4/25/2024 9:25:37 AM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CanaryCamaro: Threads like this make me appreciate my WFH job with management that understands a work life balance. I’m a father to two young girls and have commitments where I have to leave early twice a week to do things with them. I make up my time and then some each week. Edited to add good firing. Sounds like she didn’t clearly communicate the need to leave early every damn day. Same same! I am glad I have a WFW (work from wherever)  Attached File |
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Posted: 4/25/2024 9:26:07 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dacula: Why isn't WFH an option? Owners don’t like it. I only have the capability because I have to clear shipments on weekends and evenings. |
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Posted: 4/25/2024 9:27:55 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Miles_Urbanus]
[#39]
I recall you’ve posted about having trouble filling this position and it requires specialized skills. If it’s a salaried position and she is otherwise qualified and can do the work I’d try to arrange flextime. Can she come in early or work weekends? Prehaps a moot point since she is gone but I’d be inclined to try to retain workers if it takes a long time to find someone to hire.
Do the hard 8-5 hrs in the office have to be M-F? |
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Posted: 4/25/2024 9:28:24 AM EDT
[#40]
Day two? lol,
I’d have said “So you’re quitting your employment here?” It’s what I would have heard in the eighties trying to get up and leave with out a bonafide emergency or sickness. |
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Posted: 4/25/2024 9:28:51 AM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nophun: There are a lot of companies that can allow shift shifting for needs like hers but that would mean she had to get up a couple hours earlier. I'm guessing she neither asked or revealed. I don't know of a school system that doesn't have after school care that wouldn't work for what you described; ours even runs busses for the after school kids. Good firing, two days of frustration is a small price vs it dragging on longer. People like that will always burden their coworkers. Office is open 7:30-5:30/6ish. They will literally kick you out if you’re still there when office manager wants to go home. No one has keys except the two owners and office manager. Flexing your hours is not possible. If I want to keep working on something, I take my files home. I can WFH on evenings/weekends because of stupid hot air freight shipments. |
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Posted: 4/25/2024 9:29:31 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Stryfe]
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 73RR: That wasn't the issue, she gets paid for 8 hours and even of she finishes in 6 she still is required to fulfil her 8 hours. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 73RR: Originally Posted By Cooper1: Was her work for the day completed when she handed you the files? That wasn't the issue, she gets paid for 8 hours and even of she finishes in 6 she still is required to fulfil her 8 hours. Agree, you don't want to allow her to establish a pattern. The first few days in a new job can be slow. But if you don't set the expectation early, then down the road you'll have problems. Marie told her work let's out at 5, and she agreed. It's on the employee to hold up their end of the bargain. And, FTR, I let people go early when their work is done, and I never expect them to work over 8. But by the same token I expect an honest effort for those 8. And I appreciate when they make the extra effort. |
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Posted: 4/25/2024 9:29:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Miles_Urbanus: I recall you’ve posted about having trouble filling this position and it requires specialized skills. If it’s a salaried position and she is otherwise qualified and can do the work I’d try to arrange flextime. Can she come in early or work weekends? Prehaps a moot point since she is gone but I’d be inclined to try to retain workers if it takes a long time to find someone to hire. Do the hard 8-5 hrs in the office have to be M-F? See post I just did a few below yours. All of that not possible. |
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Posted: 4/25/2024 9:30:46 AM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By smarcus: If the job is 8am-5pm she stays till 5pm. Period. Even if she has to surf ARFCOM for the last 87 minutes. And doubly so if she still has work to complete. That's real retarded sir. |
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Posted: 4/25/2024 9:31:30 AM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Palm: Women don’t work overtime. It is a fact of life. I’m a GenX woman and I work my ass off. I’m also single and no kids. |
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Posted: 4/25/2024 9:31:30 AM EDT
[Last Edit: SteelonSteel]
[#46]
If they keep running in to this same issue you probably should look at a work the am in the office and wfh a couple hours. That way the files go and come back every day. No days that are fully work from home.
Think outside the box or have no one. |
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Posted: 4/25/2024 9:32:07 AM EDT
[#47]
Someone is jealous.
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Posted: 4/25/2024 9:32:18 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Marie]
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SteelonSteel: If they keep running in to this same issue you probably should look at a work the am in the office and wfh a couple hours. That way the files go and come back every day. No days that are fully work from home. Think outside the box of have no one. WFH is not an option. Period. Even the other regular, good employees don’t have it. Employer is pretty old school. It is what it is. If you don’t like it, you can go elsewhere. This gal lied to us. No mention of needing to get the kids from school in any of the two in-person interviews or first phone screen. |
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Posted: 4/25/2024 9:33:38 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Marie: See post I just did a few below yours. All of that not possible. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Marie: Originally Posted By Miles_Urbanus: I recall you’ve posted about having trouble filling this position and it requires specialized skills. If it’s a salaried position and she is otherwise qualified and can do the work I’d try to arrange flextime. Can she come in early or work weekends? Prehaps a moot point since she is gone but I’d be inclined to try to retain workers if it takes a long time to find someone to hire. Do the hard 8-5 hrs in the office have to be M-F? See post I just did a few below yours. All of that not possible. Is this the entire industry that requires work be done from an office or is it unique to your company? Why does work need to be done from the office? |
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Posted: 4/25/2024 9:33:44 AM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Marie: WFH is not an option. Period. Even the other regular, good employees don’t have it. Then you get what you have obviously. Isn’t this the second or third post about your office trying to fill this position? |
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