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Posted: 4/28/2024 10:56:31 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Leisure_Shoot]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By juan223: One thing I don't think the "deep thinkers" here consider is that there are non leftist Dems that probably have always considered her to be a reasonable voice and I'd wager a good number of them still do. What that means is that she is exposing those folks to ideas that just might make them question their historical democrat support, if infact this is a "ruse" and she's playing folks how would that serve the democrat party? If the "ruse" is just her trying to grift and that "ruse" results in peeling away votes from the dems then IDGAF what her motivations are. Like I said though, she's saying things that Republicans should have been saying all along. |
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Posted: 4/28/2024 11:00:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Nick_Adams: Not quite as hawt as Trump’s soon-to-be V.P. pick, Kristy Noem, and better still, Noem has a solid 2A rep …. whereas Tulsi is a sorta ‘Johnny-come-lately.’ Isn't noem the one that sold out a bunch of her constituents to her main donor via imminent domain for their pipeline project? |
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Posted: 4/28/2024 11:03:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TXBBQGuy: And then when we had a choice between trump and the most successful conservative governor in the country during the primaries? I'm just confused as to how so many people can play the "leopards don't change their spots" card with her but trump, who has been an avowed Democrat since before Clinton, gets a pass from them. It's celebrity worship and identity politics, plain and simple. |
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Posted: 4/28/2024 11:16:49 PM EDT
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The guy who had the Clintons at his wedding in 2005 is all of a sudden, the face of the Republican party.
People change and their views change. I do not want her to be President, but I would be good with her being a Senator from Hawaii or back as a Congresswoman. |
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Posted: 4/28/2024 11:19:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AZ_M1: You would be a fool to trust her. |
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Posted: 4/28/2024 11:25:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Firearmsenthusiast: So if anyone was ever liberal they can never change thier mind? Yeah I get being skeptical, but to me any liberal that realizes the error of thier ways is win for us. Trump did it, he gets a pass and she does not? No shit. Totally agree. Trump& Regan did more against the 2A than anyone else on my lifetime. Hood ‘ol George W said he’d sign any gun control that crossed his desk. Some of you guys are ignorant in the classic sense of the word. |
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Posted: 4/28/2024 11:29:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HELOBRAVO: No shit. Totally agree. Trump& Regan did more against the 2A than anyone else on my lifetime. Hood ‘ol George W said he’d sign any gun control that crossed his desk. Some of you guys are ignorant in the classic sense of the word. "But someone did something or said something in the past" is not a viable argument. |
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Posted: 4/28/2024 11:29:46 PM EDT
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I believe so. Left did her dirty when she wouldn’t follow the rules
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Posted: 4/28/2024 11:37:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bellows1: She's not running for any political office that I'm aware of. If she does, I'll worry about it then. I'd take her over 87% of the congress we have now. This. Also, would bang her like a hurricane in a screen door drum set |
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Posted: 4/28/2024 11:38:48 PM EDT
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Man, I don't even agree with myself sometimes.
I'm not going to be too hard on anyone for changing their mind. I've both softened and hardened on issues over time, I'm willing to give her a chance. |
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Posted: 4/28/2024 11:41:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By right_rudder: Man, I don't even agree with myself sometimes. I'm not going to be too hard on anyone for changing their mind. I've both softened and hardened on issues over time, I'm willing to give her a chance. You're not in politics or trying to get into politics are you? |
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Posted: 4/28/2024 11:46:39 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By saigamanTX: I still get this feeling it's a ruse.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOKvF_XwRQgThe legit reformed can tell you exactly when and what opened their eyes. Pretenders can't really do that. She seems able to articulate the what pretty well. Not sure about the when. I'm gonna need to see a lot more concrete evidence of her coming to Jesus before I can trust her. |
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Posted: 4/28/2024 11:47:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TaskForce: You're not in politics or trying to get into politics are you? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TaskForce: Originally Posted By right_rudder: Man, I don't even agree with myself sometimes. I'm not going to be too hard on anyone for changing their mind. I've both softened and hardened on issues over time, I'm willing to give her a chance. You're not in politics or trying to get into politics are you? but I also don't see the point in holding someone else to a standard I don't hold myself to |
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Posted: 4/28/2024 11:49:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By right_rudder: Nope. but I also don't see the point in holding someone else to a standard I don't hold myself to I do. If someone is vying for my support and/or vote I'm definitely going to judge them based on their policies and behavior. I'm not vying for anyone's support or vote so I don't owe anyone anything when it comes to politics besides maybe my intellectual honesty if I want people to listen to me or take me seriously. |
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Posted: 4/28/2024 11:51:12 PM EDT
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Never trusted her, never will. This is a ruse
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TX, USA
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Posted: 4/28/2024 11:52:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HELOBRAVO: No shit. Totally agree. Trump& Regan did more against the 2A than anyone else on my lifetime. Hood ‘ol George W said he’d sign any gun control that crossed his desk. Some of you guys are ignorant in the classic sense of the word. You can’t even spell Reagan, you shouldn’t be voting. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 4/28/2024 11:53:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TXBBQGuy: Isn't noem the one that sold out a bunch of her constituents to her main donor via imminent domain for their pipeline project? It’s eminent domain. Should you be voting? |
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Posted: 4/28/2024 11:55:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tsg68: It’s eminent domain. Should you be voting? I appreciate what you're doing but if grammatical errors on the internet disqualified people from voting maybe 3% of the population could vote. |
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ND, USA
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Posted: 4/28/2024 11:58:30 PM EDT
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Lol, no
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Posted: 4/29/2024 12:10:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AZ_M1: You would be a fool to trust her. You're a fool to trust any politician |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 12:18:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ronin72: A scorpion wants to cross a river but cannot swim, so it asks a frog to carry it across. The frog hesitates, afraid that the scorpion might sting it, but the scorpion promises not to, pointing out that it would drown if it killed the frog in the middle of the river. The frog considers this argument sensible and agrees to transport the scorpion. Midway across the river, the scorpion stings the frog anyway, dooming them both. The dying frog asks the scorpion why it stung him despite knowing the consequence, to which the scorpion replies: "I am sorry, but I couldn't resist the urge. It's my nature." |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 12:20:18 AM EDT
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As much as trump probably. Take that however you wish.
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Posted: 4/29/2024 12:27:41 AM EDT
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Notice how the left never questions supporters. Yet we attack those who do not meet our purity tests.
Wonder why they keep gaining? |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 4/29/2024 12:31:21 AM EDT
[Last Edit: tsg68]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Smash47: Notice how the left never questions supporters. Yet we attack those who do not meet our purity tests. Wonder why they keep gaining? She’d ban your shit in a heartbeat, she’s a vet-bro. She gets support from people like BRCC and shoots with them because she supports VA entitlements and they give her campaign funds because of it. She isn’t pro 2A and her voting record shows it. |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 5:55:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Papaw: She is not a serving politician, so she can do no harm. She is saying the right things, but words are wind. She SOUNDS better than many elected Republicans I could name, that's for sure. Converts *DO* believe pretty strongly, however. We shall see, I reckon. George Soros disagrees. |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 7:05:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tsg68: You can’t even spell Reagan, you shouldn’t be voting. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tsg68: Originally Posted By HELOBRAVO: No shit. Totally agree. Trump& Regan did more against the 2A than anyone else on my lifetime. Hood ‘ol George W said he’d sign any gun control that crossed his desk. Some of you guys are ignorant in the classic sense of the word. You can’t even spell Reagan, you shouldn’t be voting. He’s not wrong. But, he forgot Bush with 922r and the non-sporting barrel import ban. |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 7:28:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Firearmsenthusiast: So if anyone was ever liberal they can never change thier mind? Yeah I get being skeptical, but to me any liberal that realizes the error of thier ways is win for us. Trump did it, he gets a pass and she does not? |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 7:30:14 AM EDT
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She is way far away from me so I don’t need to worry about her.
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Posted: 4/29/2024 7:36:15 AM EDT
[Last Edit: TheWhiteHorse]
[#29]
She is the textbook definition of a rat.
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Posted: 4/29/2024 7:57:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tsg68: It’s eminent domain. Should you be voting? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tsg68: Originally Posted By TXBBQGuy: Isn't noem the one that sold out a bunch of her constituents to her main donor via imminent domain for their pipeline project? It’s eminent domain. Should you be voting? Did she do it or not? |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 8:26:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Morecoffeeplease1: Didn’t Hawaii lock down for an excessively long time under her during covid? I would never trust her. Pretty much everywhere shut down for an excessively long time. With plenty of R and C support, consent and/or inaction. Who can you genuinely trust? |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 4/29/2024 8:46:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AZ_M1: You would be a fool to trust her. Yep, she's a politician, period. |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 8:52:41 AM EDT
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Yes, unless no.
I have no way to know what she really thinks or if she's playing a role here. I SUSPECT she's had a change of heart. If she hasn't, she's putting a LOT of work in to convincing people she has. That would be exhausting, to keep up 24/7. But, at the end of the day, I have no way of knowing one way or the other. She DOES talk the talk, anyways. |
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AR, USA
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Posted: 4/29/2024 8:56:50 AM EDT
[#34]
I think she probably has for real but that doesn't mean I trust her yet.
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Posted: 4/29/2024 9:00:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TaskForce: "But someone did something or said something in the past" is not a viable argument. This applies to Gabbard |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 9:10:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tsg68: It’s eminent domain. Should you be voting? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tsg68: Originally Posted By TXBBQGuy: Isn't noem the one that sold out a bunch of her constituents to her main donor via imminent domain for their pipeline project? It’s eminent domain. Should you be voting? LOL! |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 9:12:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AZ_M1: You would be a fool to trust her. Unfortunately that goes for all of them |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 9:52:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Leisure_Shoot: But Trump derangement would override everything for those "moderate" democrats. Like I said though, she's saying things that Republicans should have been saying all along. You assume that moderate democrats suffer from TDS. I assure that many of them don’t. In fact, I’ve known quite a few who have wandered over to the more conservative side of things specifically because of what they’ve seen happen to Trump and how the far left have compromised themselves and gone to the extremes to take him down. |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 10:04:41 AM EDT
[#39]
No. She’s a WEF stooge trying to grift her way back into politics.
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Posted: 4/29/2024 10:09:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By delemorte: I think the left did her so dirty that she saw the light. But you should not put your trust in any politician. |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 10:11:47 AM EDT
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Really don't understand GD's logic at all.
So no one can ever see the light? If this is the case, are all of you just fine with the state america is in and hope it never changes? Because that's exactly what you are saying, lmao. |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 10:12:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TXBBQGuy: Isn't noem the one that sold out a bunch of her constituents to her main donor via imminent domain for their pipeline project? |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 10:15:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jalcon9: Really don't understand GD's logic at all. So no one can ever see the light? If this is the case, are all of you just fine with the state america is in and hope it never changes? Because that's exactly what you are saying, lmao. Asking for consistency isn’t a bad thing. It’s one thing for a child or young adult’s views to evolve, when you’re a full blown adult your views have been shaped and any deviation is questionable, especially if you’re in politics. |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 10:18:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Never_A_Wick: Asking for consistency isn’t a bad thing. It’s one thing for a child or young adult’s views to evolve, when you’re a full blown adult your views have been shaped and any deviation is questionable, especially if you’re in politics. That's a very shortsighted viewpoint, people are constantly exposed to new data as they go thru life and some of those people use that data to shift their positions on subjects. |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 10:23:21 AM EDT
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The desperate need to find a politician to trust is fucking vomitous.
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Posted: 4/29/2024 10:29:13 AM EDT
[#46]
Tulsi is a centrist, not a conservative.
Her 2A stance will be closer to "I'm a gun owner, but..." than a 2A plain text reader. She said that if there's a way to balance between our gun rights and preventing mass shootings, we should look at it. That seems to me she'd be interested in listening to proposals that would no doubt include things such as passing nationwide registration, putting "weapons of war" on the NFA list, and expanding prohibited spaces. None of which serves to address the gang violence and mental health breakdowns of mass shooters. You can still have your rights to keep and bear arms, you just have to jump through more hoops. Soon people would rather file income taxes instead of trying to buy an AR. I was hoping she would be a good candidate for the Rs, but her CPAC speech a couple years ago belied her sincerity. She mentioned God & God-given rights, but she's not Christian. It came across as pandering to me. Her husband is virtually non-existent in anything she does. And she still is an independent. Not saying she needs to bend the knee to the RNC, but has anyone asked her why she hasn't joined the GOP yet? |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 10:33:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rb889: No. She’s a WEF stooge trying to grift her way back into politics. She has addressed the WEF thing directly. And congrats for fitting multiple ARF GD Tulsi talking points into a single sentence. Well done. |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 10:37:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lumpy196: The desperate need to find a politician to trust is fucking vomitous. Just as desperate as the need to keep "traitors" out of the "inner circle." No one in this thread is asking anyone to really trust anyone. Really. |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 10:39:15 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Panta_Rei]
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rb889: No. She’s a WEF stooge trying to grift her way back into politics. She never sought them out, attended any WEF function or gave them $. She actually denounced them while Trump went and personally thanked Clause. Trump at Davos  Tulsi Gabbard talks World Economic Forum, Foreign Affairs, and the Economy The drivel, anger and hypocrisy are noted |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 10:40:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Never_A_Wick: Asking for consistency isn’t a bad thing. It’s one thing for a child or young adult’s views to evolve, when you’re a full blown adult your views have been shaped and any deviation is questionable, especially if you’re in politics. That being said, you shouldn't trust any politician. |
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