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Posted: 4/9/2024 8:17:15 PM EDT
[Last Edit: HKocher]
Since abortion seems to be the topic of the day, let me pose this question.
I think most of us can agree that abortion is disgusting and abstinence or contraception is preferable, but this thread is about reality, not your personal morals. Quick googling informs me that there are 500k - 1,500k abortions a year in the US, while there are 50k - 100k adoptions in the US per year. Feel free to correct my numbers. We can also agree that the adoption process in the US needs reform, but we’re still talking about at best, a surplus of 400k unwanted babies. So what do we do with these children? Force them on the parent(s) that didn’t want them? Force them on pro-lifers? Cheap labor? Child super soldiers? Put them in prison or mental institutions where they will inevitable end up? FWIW, I’ve known many families that adopted, and in almost all of those cases, the child was serious messed up for life due to lack of love and affection in the infant stage. |
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Posted: 4/9/2024 8:18:24 PM EDT
[#1]
Child super soldiers has a nice ring to it.
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TN, USA
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Posted: 4/9/2024 8:18:37 PM EDT
[#2]
I guess we can stop importing third worlders for one
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Posted: 4/9/2024 8:18:44 PM EDT
[#3]
How about concentrating on contraception.
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Posted: 4/9/2024 8:19:39 PM EDT
[#4]
We could stop having unwanted children?
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Posted: 4/9/2024 8:20:13 PM EDT
[#5]
The adoption numbers are not higher because there are not that many babies to adopt.
Adoptions would go up if more children were born. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 4/9/2024 8:20:25 PM EDT
[Last Edit: AT-ST83]
[#6]
Crime increases 2x-4x about 18-25 years from now.
Every politician wanted to credit the rapid fall of crime in the 90's to updated policing policies. But, there is a very good, data driven argument that credits it to Roe vs Wade in 1973. All the "unwanted" children that were never born would have been 18-25 years old in the 90's; that is the statistical sweet spot for young males to commit crime. |
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Posted: 4/9/2024 8:20:49 PM EDT
[#7]
Baby - The Other Other White Meat.
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PA, USA
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Posted: 4/9/2024 8:21:36 PM EDT
[#8]
We train them to work work work. Social Security is saved.
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Posted: 4/9/2024 8:21:41 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Cincinnatus]
[#9]
Originally Posted By HKocher: Since abortion seems to be the topic of the day, let me pose this question. I think most of us can agree that abortion is disgusting and abstinence or contraception is preferable, but this thread is about reality, not your personal morals. Quick googling informs me that there are 500k - 1,500k abortions a year in the US, while there are 50k - 100k adoptions in the US per year. Feel free to correct my numbers. We can also agree that the adoption process in the US needs reform, but we’re still talking about at best, a surplus of 400k unwanted babies. So what do we do with these children? Force them on the parent(s) that didn’t want them? Force them on pro-lifers? Cheap labor? Child super soldiers? Put them in prison or mental institutions where they will inevitable end up? FWIW, I’ve known many families that adopted, and in almost all of those cases, the child was serious messed up for life due to lack of love and affection in the infant stage. For this to have happened, there would have had to have been a major cultural shift in America. With that shift would come different attitudes towards responsibility. |
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Posted: 4/9/2024 8:21:42 PM EDT
[Last Edit: DDDDCheapAF]
[#10]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AT-ST83: Crime increases 2x-4x about 15-18 years from now. There is that inconvenient truth .Morality today or a ton of feral little shitstains tomorrow? That quiet beach town in a faraway country is looking better all the time . |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 4/9/2024 8:22:05 PM EDT
[#11]
Birth control sound be drug tested to qualify for welfare
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Posted: 4/9/2024 8:22:08 PM EDT
[#12]
How about we stop subsidizing single parent households, and start depending on personal responsibility ?
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Posted: 4/9/2024 8:22:11 PM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TarzanT: How about concentrating on contraception. Do we force that contraception by govt mandate? |
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Posted: 4/9/2024 8:22:40 PM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lungbuster: Child super soldiers has a nice ring to it. Probably not going to work out the way it does in Soldier.
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TX, USA
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Posted: 4/9/2024 8:22:47 PM EDT
[#15]
Force the parents to raise them or go to prison for being a piece of shit and abandoning their offspring?
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NV, USA
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Posted: 4/9/2024 8:23:03 PM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TarzanT: How about concentrating on contraception. Stupid people don’t use it. |
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Posted: 4/9/2024 8:23:11 PM EDT
[Last Edit: MMcfpd]
[#17]
Abortion is not going to be banned in the country as a whole.
Thoughts I've had as to how to address the tsunami of fatherless children (Abortion Rights Revisited). |
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Posted: 4/9/2024 8:23:41 PM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BladedRonin: How about we stop subsidizing single parent households, and start depending on personal responsibility ? If America decided to ban abortion, that would also be a part of the package. |
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Posted: 4/9/2024 8:23:48 PM EDT
[#19]
imagine if we were killing puppies at the same rate we murder babies
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Posted: 4/9/2024 8:23:54 PM EDT
[#20]
The world we live in, is not going to stop abortions. Of all the things to ponder, that is way the fuck down the list.
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Posted: 4/9/2024 8:24:30 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HKocher: Do we force that contraception by govt mandate? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HKocher: Originally Posted By TarzanT: How about concentrating on contraception. Do we force that contraception by govt mandate? No need to force it. Such a cultural reset would bring back shotgun weddings |
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Posted: 4/9/2024 8:24:40 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Obo2: The adoption numbers are not higher because there are not that many babies to adopt. Adoptions would go up if more children were born. Would they? Are there really that many families willing to adopt based on charity or lack of fertility? I seriously doubt it. |
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Posted: 4/9/2024 8:25:31 PM EDT
[#23]
Save 'em all, let God sort 'em out.
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Posted: 4/9/2024 8:25:35 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cincinnatus: No need to force it. Such a cultural reset would bring back shotgun weddings You assume that there is a father or grandfather figure to enforce that shotgun marriage. |
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Posted: 4/9/2024 8:25:38 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HKocher: Would they? Are there really that many families willing to adopt based on charity or lack of fertility? I seriously doubt it. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HKocher: Originally Posted By Obo2: The adoption numbers are not higher because there are not that many babies to adopt. Adoptions would go up if more children were born. Would they? Are there really that many families willing to adopt based on charity or lack of fertility? I seriously doubt it. It used to be common. |
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Posted: 4/9/2024 8:26:43 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Cincinnatus]
[#26]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HKocher: You assume that there is a father or grandfather figure to enforce that shotgun marriage. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HKocher: Originally Posted By Cincinnatus: No need to force it. Such a cultural reset would bring back shotgun weddings You assume that there is a father or grandfather figure to enforce that shotgun marriage. Before Roe and the “War on Poverty,” there was. There would be again. Your premise is silly, in that you act as though this major cultural shift occurred in a vacuum with a bolt of lightning. In fact it would require a society to get on board |
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Posted: 4/9/2024 8:26:53 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lungbuster: Child super soldiers has a nice ring to it.  The Soldier(1998): Children turned into killing machines(Scene 2) |
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Posted: 4/9/2024 8:27:44 PM EDT
[#28]
OP it’s a solid question without an easy answer.
The leftists are in control of the adoption processes so you can be sure that a lot of good people are getting filtered out. There are a lot of bad policies that government has created. People need to be rewarded for being responsible and punished for not being responsible. Unfortunately everything is backwards. |
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Posted: 4/9/2024 8:27:51 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BladedRonin: How about we stop subsidizing single parent households, and start depending on personal responsibility ? Can’t disagree there, but again this thread is about (an imagined) reality. |
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Posted: 4/9/2024 8:28:02 PM EDT
[#30]
What are we doing with the unwanted illegal's?
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NV, USA
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Posted: 4/9/2024 8:28:16 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Thrasymachus]
[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lungbuster: Child super soldiers has a nice ring to it. We can call them Astartes. |
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Posted: 4/9/2024 8:28:26 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HKocher: Do we force that contraception by govt mandate? You take away incentives to be irresponsible. |
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Posted: 4/9/2024 8:28:57 PM EDT
[#33]
What will happen in response is cheap clinics that offer sterilization.
And they will offer it to 18-21 yr olds without parents or spouses permission or notification. Planned parenthood will turn into sterilization clinics, it will now become the modern cool thing to do. Eventually medicade and states will subside it and offer it for free. |
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Posted: 4/9/2024 8:29:40 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HKocher: Can’t disagree there, but again this thread is about (an imagined) reality. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HKocher: Originally Posted By BladedRonin: How about we stop subsidizing single parent households, and start depending on personal responsibility ? Can’t disagree there, but again this thread is about (an imagined) reality. If politicians had the moral courage to ban abortion, don’t you think they would have the moral courage to cut welfare? |
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Posted: 4/9/2024 8:29:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Thrasymachus: We can call them Astartes. I’m okay with that. |
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Posted: 4/9/2024 8:30:19 PM EDT
[#36]
Labor pool issues would be sorted without having to import third-worlders, military recruitment number problems would be solved, collapsing birthrate would be addressed, lots of upside.
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Posted: 4/9/2024 8:30:19 PM EDT
[Last Edit: boolzi]
[#37]
Originally Posted By HKocher: Since abortion seems to be the topic of the day, let me pose this question. I think most of us can agree that abortion is disgusting and abstinence or contraception is preferable, but this thread is about reality, not your personal morals. Quick googling informs me that there are 500k - 1,500k abortions a year in the US, while there are 50k - 100k adoptions in the US per year. Feel free to correct my numbers. We can also agree that the adoption process in the US needs reform, but we’re still talking about at best, a surplus of 400k unwanted babies. So what do we do with these children? Force them on the parent(s) that didn’t want them? Force them on pro-lifers? Cheap labor? Child super soldiers? Put them in prison or mental institutions where they will inevitable end up? FWIW, I’ve known many families that adopted, and in almost all of those cases, the child was serious messed up for life due to lack of love and affection in the infant stage. Kill the parents. |
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Posted: 4/9/2024 8:30:33 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FistPeso: You take away incentives to be irresponsible. Again, I’m 100% in support of that, but don’t ever see it happening. |
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Posted: 4/9/2024 8:30:44 PM EDT
[#39]
Make pit bulls great again.
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Posted: 4/9/2024 8:31:03 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hillbilly62: What are we doing with the unwanted illegal's? They can use their hard work and taxes to finance new illegals. Gonna need a lot of new workers to support illegals and SS. |
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Posted: 4/9/2024 8:31:14 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By runcible: Baby - The Other Other White Meat. A swift reply with a modest proposal! |
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MO, USA
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Posted: 4/9/2024 8:31:30 PM EDT
[#42]
The reality would be even more money dumped into child services by big gov. They’re not gonna let babies starve on the street after all so Uncle Sam will take them all in and provide. Think they’ll sterilize the worst offenders or hold them accountable? Or…people will stop fucking so much? LOL.
Don’t forget the optics as well. 24/7 news stories about botched abortions and all sorts of feels. Think of the children! You think you’re paying a lot now for this shit. Don’t complain when it’s much much worse. But it’ll never happen. It’ll stay either status quo or back to what it was. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 4/9/2024 8:31:51 PM EDT
[Last Edit: FlamingDragon]
[#43]
There are people who are willing to help.
My policy would be the church take care of them. Actually cut all gov. spending for welfare, food stamps, homeless, no more FSA. Give gov. tax breaks to married families with children. |
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Posted: 4/9/2024 8:33:23 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HKocher: Would they? Are there really that many families willing to adopt based on charity or lack of fertility? I seriously doubt it. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HKocher: Originally Posted By Obo2: The adoption numbers are not higher because there are not that many babies to adopt. Adoptions would go up if more children were born. Would they? Are there really that many families willing to adopt based on charity or lack of fertility? I seriously doubt it. A lot more adoptions would absolutely happen if it wasn't such a huge PITA. We personally know of one family that had conception issues. They had one baby of their own and adopted a foreign child as it was way easier than adopting a US born kid. From what they told me adopting a US born child was $50k+ and takes around 2 years IF everything goes smoothly. |
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Posted: 4/9/2024 8:33:28 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lungbuster: Child super soldiers has a nice ring to it. Soldier with Kurt Russel came to mind! |
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Posted: 4/9/2024 8:34:08 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By runcible: Baby - The Other Other White Meat.  |
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Posted: 4/9/2024 8:34:23 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sawgunner73: We could stop having unwanted children? |
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Posted: 4/9/2024 8:34:24 PM EDT
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WA, USA
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Posted: 4/9/2024 8:34:36 PM EDT
[#49]
Then the next Republican winning strategy is campaigning on telling people not to have sex.
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Posted: 4/9/2024 8:35:00 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Bye_Felicia]
[#50]
Fuck it. Not wadding into another abortion thread.
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