Originally Posted By midcap:
I honesty suprised that Neo Cons haven;t figured out some kind of situation where like Monsanto or Haliburton could open up their own orphanages and then they would basically have people take care of these kids and make sure these kids were going to good schools and learning how to be great employees. Yeah I know it's at least an 18 year wait time, but once you invest that initial two decades..it's self sustaining. You will have a work force that is loyal and hard working.

Originally Posted By morning_would:
It's gonna be awesome.....

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Originally Posted By Naamah:

How much have you actually interacted with the segment of the population that uses abortion as birth control?

The vast majority of them have serious cognitive issues that mean they really can’t connect actions and consequences or outcomes based on current circumstances. Every day is a surprise. Things just happen to them out of the blue. Emotional regulation is nonexistent; if it feels good, they do it, if they want it, they take it, and if it makes them mad, they wreck it. They are not capable of planning for the future; everything is a perpetual now.

Remove the safety nets, and you just end up with dead kids anyway.

Originally Posted By Grunteled:
Let them grow up into adult humans.  The fact our culture is shit doesn't make murdering people preemptively on a whim anything other than exactly what it is.

Originally Posted By Ridgerunner9876:

Paying for someone's misspent life and securing their dependence on government in order to buy their vote is magnitudes more evil than making them independent.

You're spouting leftist talking points and ignoring human nature.

Those appalachian hollers full of government dependent drunks will never better themselves because they dont have to.

Originally Posted By C3H5N3O9:

What’s even more amazing is these sluts are getting pregnant without men involved at all.  One would think part of the solution is men keeping their dick in their pants instead of blowing their load in any slut that gives them a whiff, but no, the sluts are getting pregnant all by themselves.

Originally Posted By writerdeluxe2006:
Let the army raise them. We will then have a bunch of 20 year old sergeant majors.

Originally Posted By CypressCity:
I really wish we had a libertarian party or even an anarchist (AnPrim) party that was relevant in national politics.  I prefer my politics with a touch more freedom and liberty than this tiresome Red vs. Blue bullshit that all the incels gobble up.

Originally Posted By d16man:
Plenty of families that can't have kids are waiting for an adoption....

Originally Posted By PainefulCommonSense:

How do you think we can incentivize adoption without creating a social security hustle? (I.e. adopting 10 kids for the SS checks, buying yourself steak and a new car while the kids eat government cheese and mud pies)

Originally Posted By Homernomer:

It's the people who used to belong to Evangelical churches that are as dangerous as the leftists.

See how easy that was?

Originally Posted By Homernomer:

Anarchist? You will love BLM. Check them out. Look at their work entitled "2020." It's a masterpiece of freedom and liberty.

Originally Posted By PALADIN-hgwt:


We met a Latina who has 9 kids from different men.  Met a Hispanic dude with about 8 kids from several women.  What's unfortunate is those kids have little to no chance of making it to a reasonable middle class life.

Way, way back I was drinking Oso Negro with my wife's Grandfather.  He was a sheep shearer "jefe" for a crew.  One of his friends came over, and was very sad/depressed.  His 14 year old son had a pregnant girlfriend.  He recognized the kids future was fucked.

Why the fuck we can't promote pregnancy prevention.  The three P's. movement has been born.

Paladin

Originally Posted By hhsmiley:
If women know they just can't abort a baby on a whim, and have to live with their poor life choices, they will not take such a cavalier attitude towards sex. There would be no massive "unwanted children" problem. Abortion is a symptom. Society just accepting that "sport fucking" is all good is the disease. We need to bring back the societal stigma against being a slut (both male and female). You may really like wantonly fucking and disagree, but you can't argue with the problems it's causing.

Currently, there are no negative consequences for irresponsible sexual behavior and no reason for the behavior to change. If there are negative consequences, behavior will change. It's pretty basic psychology.

Nobody seems to talk about this.

Originally Posted By Blanco_Diablo:
Imagine if we fought as hard for our gun rights as some of you do for someone's imagined "right" to murder babies

Originally Posted By SavedByTheBlood:
What makes you think it would result lots of unwanted children? Your argument is based on an assumption. You have no supporting evidence that a 100% ban on abortion will result in massive amounts of unwanted children that would be a burden on society.


I think it’s just as reasonable to assume we wouldn’t have many at all because men would start getting hit with that court ordered child support and would have think twice about who they stick it in.

Making people accountable and responsible for their actions has never hurt society.

Originally Posted By hhsmiley:
If women know they just can't abort a baby on a whim, and have to live with their poor life choices, they will not take such a cavalier attitude towards sex. There would be no massive "unwanted children" problem. Abortion is a symptom. Society just accepting that "sport fucking" is all good is the disease. We need to bring back the societal stigma against being a slut (both male and female). You may really like wantonly fucking and disagree, but you can't argue with the problems it's causing.

Currently, there are no negative consequences for irresponsible sexual behavior and no reason for the behavior to change. If there are negative consequences, behavior will change. It's pretty basic psychology.

Nobody seems to talk about this.

Originally Posted By Low_Country:


Yeah I don't really disagree with much of anything here.

I do chuckle at the notion from some that outlawing abortion would cause or force parents to somehow be responsible.  The people we are talking about are literally incapable of responsibility.  

Originally Posted By runcible:
Without abortion, the population of the ghetto would have collapsed our economy long ago. (Not an endorsement of abortion, simply an observation.)
It is truly frightening - we have 10s of millions of people in this country who are utterly worthless and always will be, and who contribute nothing... except babies.
And with each passing year, there are more of them. There is no universe in which this is sustainable.

Originally Posted By trapsh00ter99:
The problem in this discussion is everyone is looking for a policy position to correct a morality issue, which seldom ever works. The flip side is, the lack of morality is directly responsible for many/most of the issues that are getting worse in our country.

A society that saw abortion for what it is, an evil abomination, would also be the same society that would care for "unplanned pregnancies" on the local level via churches, charity groups, and foster and adoption placement, drastically reducing the need for public programs. Public programs are meant to be temporary, but for most it's their way of life gaming the system for indefinite support and $15k tax "refunds" for someone unemployed.

But, society doesn't see it that way. Hell, even half of conservatives are cooling with murdering babies solely cause they think it will help them win the next election or because them babies might be liberals. If that's where we are at as a society, things are only going to get worse.

Originally Posted By ICEAGE:
There is no easy answer. On one hand nobody wants these kids. Not the parents. Their family. Or the random anti-abortion people either. There is already a bunch of fucked up kids living in group homes because nobody wants them.


While I think abortion is wrong. I'm a realist. Most likely scenario we get far more leftists and criminals in 15-20 years after each one is born

Originally Posted By macros73:


Huh.

https://pricetheory.uchicago.edu/levitt/Papers/DonohueLevittTheImpactOfLegalized2001.pdf

We offer evidence that legalized abortion has contributed signicantly to
recent crime reductions. Crime began to fall roughly eighteen years after abortion
legalization. The five states that allowed abortion in 1970 experienced declines
earlier than the rest of the nation, which legalized in 1973 with Roe v. Wade.
States with high abortion rates in the 1970s and 1980s experienced greater crime
reductions in the 1990s. In high abortion states, only arrests of those born after
abortion legalization fall relative to low abortion states.

Legalized abortion appears to account for as much as 50 percent of the recent drop in crime.

And:

https://www.guttmacher.org/journals/psrh/2003/01/did-abortion-legalization-reduce-number-unwanted-children-evidence-adoptions

The estimated effect of abortion legalization on adoption rates is sizable and can account for much of the decline in adoptions, particularly of children born to white women, during the early 1970s. These findings support previous studies' conclusions that abortion legalization led to a reduction in the number of "unwanted" children; such a reduction may have improved average infant health and children's living conditions.

https://www.bidmc.org/about-bidmc/news/2023/10/abortion-bans-linked-to-increase-in-children-entering-foster-system

The team found an overall increase in foster care entries in states with restrictive abortion laws, compared to states without them, including a 15 percent increase for Black and racial and ethnic minority children in states with TRAP laws.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30389101/

Results: From 6 months to 4.5 years after their mothers sought abortions, existing children of women denied abortions had lower mean child development scores (adjusted β -0.04, 95% CI -0.07 to -0.00) and were more likely to live below the Federal Poverty Level (aOR 3.74, 95% CI 1.59-8.79) than the children of women who received a wanted abortion. There were no significant differences in child health or time spent with a caregiver other than the mother.

Conclusions: Denying women a wanted abortion may have negative developmental and socioeconomic consequences for their existing children.

Originally Posted By Ridgerunner9876:

The American public isn't educated or self reliant enough to work in THIS system.

There is no hope in hell they would work in a libertarian system.

I used to be more idealistic and argue with sylvan about this point. I now realize he was right. People, as a whole, are too stupid, lazy, undisciplined, unwise, unresourceful (why is that word flagged for incorrect spelling?) to come close to what it would take to live in a libertarian society.

Originally Posted By Cincinnatus:
Name a Pro-Life State that has shitty gun laws.

Show me a city with high rates of abortion, and great gun laws.

The look at taxes and per capita trannies.

Originally Posted By twoisone:
Maybe we wouldn’t need immigration to prop up SS?