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Posted: 4/1/2024 8:30:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Stutzmech: We had a 1896 Haynes apperson that participated in that run https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/498772/IMG_0379-3175597.jpg small world it seems 
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Posted: 4/1/2024 8:38:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryBeen there many times, love when you first start old engines, if you do everything right they will start at just a few revs, funner when there’s no starter though  Here’s my dyno, used it to start and break in a lot of engines, good times 
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Posted: 4/1/2024 8:41:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LittlePony: small world it seems I think it took about 6 hrs, a lot break down on the course, damn spring fell off the atmospheric intake valve, they had to use a bunch of washers as a weight to act like a spring |
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Posted: 4/1/2024 9:01:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Stutzmech: Been there many times, love when you first start old engines, if you do everything right they will start at just a few revs, funner when there’s no starter though Here’s my dyno, used it to start and break in a lot of engines, good times https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/498772/image-1450543.jpg drool 
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Posted: 4/1/2024 9:06:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LittlePony: drool That was stutz supercharged engine number 3, there was only one running That we fixed years ago, copied all the fittings and stuff off of it to scratch build 4 or 5 more, almost can’t tell the difference between the originals and the ones I built, I did mark all the pcs internally as repops though to prevent claims, LOL |
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Posted: 4/6/2024 6:23:51 PM EDT
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What do you know of national?
Of Indianapolis that is, lasted from 1900 to 1924 Local car museum has a national highway 12 sextant or such, nice pale light blue color Very rare but not highly valued, might be the most affordable v12 car of the era you could buy |
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Posted: 4/7/2024 10:37:46 PM EDT
[Last Edit: LittlePony]
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You can do it cold now
 ay Leno's Garage and Antique Cast Iron Welding Repair |
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Posted: 4/8/2024 12:57:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LittlePony: What do you know of national? Of Indianapolis that is, lasted from 1900 to 1924 Local car museum has a national highway 12 sextant or such, nice pale light blue color Very rare but not highly valued, might be the most affordable v12 car of the era you could buy Don’t know a lot about them, know they started with EV cars and switched to IC, brass era car, many still exist and some look kinda cool, they went out of business in the mid 20s I believe.   
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Posted: 4/8/2024 7:45:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Stutzmech: Worked from 10 years old at my dads gas station and garage and on and off for 40 years as mechanic, last 25 full time on older cars, always fascinated by all things mechanical and history Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Stutzmech: Originally Posted By 30calTBLkid: Y'all make me want to start a new project something awful. Stutzmech, may I ask at what age you new you wanted to become a mech, and what got you started? Worked from 10 years old at my dads gas station and garage and on and off for 40 years as mechanic, last 25 full time on older cars, always fascinated by all things mechanical and history You were born into it!
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Posted: 4/8/2024 8:25:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Stutzmech: Don’t know a lot about them, know they started with EV cars and switched to IC, brass era car, many still exist and some look kinda cool, they went out of business in the mid 20s I believe. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/498772/IMG_0381-3182109.jpghttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/498772/IMG_0382-3182110.jpghttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/498772/IMG_0383-3182111.jpg yeah the one i saw was one of the late ones kinda neat but dang are they rare, like Marmon rare if even more now due to no prestige so no one kept many of them |
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Posted: 4/8/2024 8:38:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LittlePony: yeah the one i saw was one of the late ones kinda neat but dang are they rare, like Marmon rare if even more now due to no prestige so no one kept many of them Marmons are more collectible even though national had a lot of racing stuff as well, speaking of Marmons, it was first race car with a rear view mirror and no riding mechanic 
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Posted: 4/12/2024 10:57:04 AM EDT
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What kind of engine oil would a one cylinder cadillac even take?
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Posted: 4/12/2024 1:43:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LittlePony: What kind of engine oil would a one cylinder cadillac even take? Engine oil isn't the problem. Brake fluid & brake lines are. @FadedSun @M35Ben |
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Posted: 4/12/2024 1:54:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LittlePony: What kind of engine oil would a one cylinder cadillac even take? Straight 30 weight non-detergent most likely. Oils back then were pretty primitive compared to what we have these days. 
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Posted: 4/12/2024 5:14:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dlshady: Straight 30 weight non-detergent most likely. Oils back then were pretty primitive compared to what we have these days. https://i.postimg.cc/PJrYgRxH/20180714-172231.jpg 30? I was think at least 50. I mean the piston rings are a quarter inch thick. |
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Posted: 4/12/2024 5:14:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By backbencher: Engine oil isn't the problem. Brake fluid & brake lines are. @FadedSun @M35Ben Brake fluid? Lines? They are completely mechanical. |
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Posted: 4/13/2024 1:19:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LittlePony: Brake fluid? Lines? They are completely mechanical. Thought that was a pretty funny post myself. As far as oil for an old vintage car it depends, can be built to take just about anything, if original build a heavy wt oil is appropriate, if it’s been cleaned out you can run a detergent oil without damage ETA, here’s a pic of the cad. k 1906 oil distributor, like a dry sump with drippers to the 2 mains, a lot of turn of the century cars would use a tank to hold oil most had some type of pumping device to return oil to the tank like a dry sump, some were total loss type systems though, brass or babbit mains with tight clearance would take a fairly light oil 06 caddy K oil system 
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Posted: 4/13/2024 1:55:21 AM EDT
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Here’s a particularly good looking set of drippers, usually mounted on the dash, adjusted as needed while engine is running, shut off with a valve when engine is shut off, these systems are not pressure fed to the bearings, all gravity fed
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Posted: 4/13/2024 11:11:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Stutzmech: Here’s a particularly good looking set of drippers, usually mounted on the dash, adjusted as needed while engine is running, shut off with a valve when engine is shut off, these systems are not pressure fed to the bearings, all gravity fed https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/498772/IMG_0390-3186472.png good luck trying to see anything brass made new these days with that level of quality. |
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Posted: 4/13/2024 11:11:30 AM EDT
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 1906 Cadillac Delivery Van on the road. |
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Posted: 4/13/2024 11:24:02 AM EDT
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Cool that the K cad. Had only about 98 Cubic inches and produced in excess of 10 hp, lots of power
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Posted: 4/13/2024 11:31:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Stutzmech: Cool that the K cad. Had only about 98 Cubic inches and produced in excess of 10 hp, lots of power with a 5 inch stroke though it probably had like 50 lbs of torque 
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Posted: 4/13/2024 11:37:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LittlePony: with a 5 inch stroke though it probably had like 50 lbs of torque A lot of the vintage engines would have pretty long crank throws and that helped with torque numbers, 2 to 300 was not uncommon on the later inline 8s and that is at pretty low rpm’s also helped by having pretty massive flywheels sometimes 100 lbs or more, many of them you didn’t have to use throttle to pull away from a stop, just let the clutch out at idle |
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Posted: 4/15/2024 3:53:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LittlePony: Brake fluid? Lines? They are completely mechanical. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LittlePony: Originally Posted By backbencher: Engine oil isn't the problem. Brake fluid & brake lines are. @FadedSun @M35Ben Brake fluid? Lines? They are completely mechanical. Dear god. Now that I think of it, a buddy was tasked pulling the brakes on the family Rolls while riding on the bumper whilst being towed across town. |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 11:40:50 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/19/2024 10:30:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Stutzmech: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/498772/IMG_0321-3145814.jpghttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/498772/IMG_0322-3145813.jpg 1896 Armstrong , only 1 built and first of what could be called first “hybrid” car, IC and batt, also first car I know of with an electric starter ETA also electromagnetic clutch, solenoid operated intake valves, very interesting car 
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Posted: 4/19/2024 12:27:07 PM EDT
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Here’s what it looks like in good shape
37 imperial 
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Posted: 4/19/2024 12:51:08 PM EDT
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@beatitstriped
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Posted: 4/20/2024 7:31:32 PM EDT
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Dont see a built Packard V8 everyday
 The Iron Lung: Vintage Packard V8 Pumps Out 445 hp On The Dyno |
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Posted: 4/21/2024 12:03:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LittlePony: Dont see a built Packard V8 everyday  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsvCAp87cSYThat’s a cool vid, most of my experience is with inline 8s, what’s neet is the torque numbers on early engines especially at low rpm, they don’t survive high rpm’s though normally
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Posted: 4/21/2024 12:04:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FlashMan-7k: It is a cool find, and I have no idea, I avoid FB like the bubonic plague. Me too, have never used FB or twitter/x |
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Posted: 4/21/2024 8:41:51 PM EDT
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 Uncover the Secrets of the 1938 Packard V12: A Comprehensive Look at the Iconic Classic Car |
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Posted: 4/21/2024 8:55:20 PM EDT
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I love a good Stutzmech thread!
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Posted: 4/21/2024 9:50:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LittlePony: I wish I had the chance to restore old stuff all day. Fixing modern cars is soul crushing in certain ways. While modern car circuit boards degrade it into immobility, model Ts will still be roaming around. Maybe you should think about doing it. Are there any shops in the area where you live? |
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Posted: 4/21/2024 10:41:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RoofTopShot: Maybe you should think about doing it. Are there any shops in the area where you live? yes and no. |
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Posted: 4/22/2024 11:51:05 AM EDT
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Video goes live in about 8 minutes:
 Nethercutt Collection: 1923 Hispano Suiza |
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Posted: 4/22/2024 12:02:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FlashMan-7k: Video goes live in about 8 minutes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3wQsTNlkzQA famous grudge race at Indy ,stutz vs a Hispano, Hispano won  , stutz broke down
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Posted: 4/22/2024 12:08:24 PM EDT
[Last Edit: FlashMan-7k]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Stutzmech: A famous grudge race at Indy ,stutz vs a Hispano, Hispano won , stutz broke downhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/498772/IMG_0397-3195133.jpg Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Stutzmech: Originally Posted By FlashMan-7k: Video goes live in about 8 minutes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3wQsTNlkzQA famous grudge race at Indy ,stutz vs a Hispano, Hispano won , stutz broke downhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/498772/IMG_0397-3195133.jpg That engine bay is a work of art... $15,000 new in 1923. Yeouch. |
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Posted: 4/22/2024 12:13:18 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Stutzmech]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FlashMan-7k: That engine bay is a work of art... The engine area of a lot of 20-30s car looks really cool, miss that nowadays, think it used to inspire mechs to do a better job ETA, the prices were high for a lot of them, but think what it would cost today to build a duplicate of them
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Posted: 4/22/2024 12:20:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Stutzmech: The engine area of a lot of 20-30s car looks really cool, miss that nowadays, think it used to inspire mechs to do a better job ETA, the prices were high for a lot of them, but think what it would cost today to build a duplicate of them Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Stutzmech: Originally Posted By FlashMan-7k: That engine bay is a work of art... The engine area of a lot of 20-30s car looks really cool, miss that nowadays, think it used to inspire mechs to do a better job ETA, the prices were high for a lot of them, but think what it would cost today to build a duplicate of them The bribe money to buy off the "safety" and emissions trolls would be quite high ..
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Posted: 4/22/2024 12:22:06 PM EDT
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Video done.
Wish they had put it up on the lift. |
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Posted: 4/22/2024 12:25:15 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Stutzmech]
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Really like the museums getting the cars out and taking them for a drive and a vid, wish it would happen more, Lenos doing this a lot and deserves credit for this, shows that a restoration isn’t just for looks
ETA, think car shows should show mechanicals more, many of the high dollar restorations tend not to do a good job on what is not seen  
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Posted: 4/24/2024 1:19:36 AM EDT
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Quality beyond reproach considering the tools of the time
 1911 Packard Model 18 - Jay Leno's Garage Back then there was a endless amount of people who did the same hand made tasks for 40 years or more, doing the job, nay, craft, since they were a child, while now they are rare to the point of near non existence. What wonders they could have built with todays technology, what excellence unmatched they could produce. In many respects im starting to think that the Model T ... killed the car. In irony, Fords grand vision created a world he ended up hating. Just what did Ford give us with his, in todays money, $4900 model T? was it really worth it? was it really worth losing the craft? when there was still better quality and more reliable vehicles for around 15-25k? If only today, there was some shop that builds just say 1000 vehicles a year, built by the old craft standard yet still utilizing the best of todays heartless computers. If there ever was such a company, it would be safe to say i would not have a 78 Continental. |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 10:59:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LittlePony: Quality beyond reproach considering the tools of the time https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXZDySwGfaQBack then there was a endless amount of people who did the same hand made tasks for 40 years or more, doing the job, nay, craft, since they were a child, while now they are rare to the point of near non existence. What wonders they could have built with todays technology, what excellence unmatched they could produce. In many respects im starting to think that the Model T ... killed the car. In irony, Fords grand vision created a world he ended up hating. Just what did Ford give us with his, in todays money, $4900 model T? was it really worth it? was it really worth losing the craft? when there was still better quality and more reliable vehicles for around 15-25k? If only today, there was some shop that builds just say 1000 vehicles a year, built by the old craft standard yet still utilizing the best of todays heartless computers. If there ever was such a company, it would be safe to say i would not have a 78 Continental. He and some others did bring the car to the general population, fords and such are what they are and are easy to pick apart as “cheap” the craftsmanship will always exist, it’s just harder to find these days |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 3:14:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LittlePony: Quality beyond reproach considering the tools of the time https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXZDySwGfaQBack then there was a endless amount of people who did the same hand made tasks for 40 years or more, doing the job, nay, craft, since they were a child, while now they are rare to the point of near non existence. What wonders they could have built with todays technology, what excellence unmatched they could produce. In many respects im starting to think that the Model T ... killed the car. In irony, Fords grand vision created a world he ended up hating. Just what did Ford give us with his, in todays money, $4900 model T? was it really worth it? was it really worth losing the craft? when there was still better quality and more reliable vehicles for around 15-25k? If only today, there was some shop that builds just say 1000 vehicles a year, built by the old craft standard yet still utilizing the best of todays heartless computers. If there ever was such a company, it would be safe to say i would not have a 78 Continental. *invites LP to read the history of the original dodge bro's plant and look at how that nasty old antisemite henry screwed them and how the dodge bros were in large part responsible for the good rep the model t's had* |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 4:26:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LittlePony: Quality beyond reproach considering the tools of the time https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXZDySwGfaQBack then there was a endless amount of people who did the same hand made tasks for 40 years or more, doing the job, nay, craft, since they were a child, while now they are rare to the point of near non existence. What wonders they could have built with todays technology, what excellence unmatched they could produce. In many respects im starting to think that the Model T ... killed the car. In irony, Fords grand vision created a world he ended up hating. Just what did Ford give us with his, in todays money, $4900 model T? was it really worth it? was it really worth losing the craft? when there was still better quality and more reliable vehicles for around 15-25k? If only today, there was some shop that builds just say 1000 vehicles a year, built by the old craft standard yet still utilizing the best of todays heartless computers. If there ever was such a company, it would be safe to say i would not have a 78 Continental. LP, mass production was inevitable. WalMart was inevitable. Amazon was inevitable. Once mass production arrives in an industry, craftsmen have to go extremely high end, or they go to another industry. What was the 70s-90s low production car that had the exposed exhaust headers? Were those still made into the 2000's? |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 8:02:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FlashMan-7k: *invites LP to read the history of the original dodge bro's plant and look at how that nasty old antisemite henry screwed them and how the dodge bros were in large part responsible for the good rep the model t's had* I am acutely aware. |
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