Yes please. Scared money is my money.  Gimme.

Nom nom nom

You have no clue what we are in.  

Neither does Warren Buffet who is cash heavy and buying 3 Month T-Bills.  He’s having trouble finding anything of value in this market.

Umm. We’re in bull by all definition.

I’m still buying aapl. Cash is trash.

bingo

this guy gets it

Cash won’t be trash if overpriced dog shit tech pulls a 2000.  

AAPL has shit growth and has revised their guidance down for 5 quarters in a row.  

LOL..easy there killer.

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Jim Cramer dismisses recession fears and names sectors poised to soar after Fed meeting https://t.co/pDk30k6SoK

CNBC  (@CNBC) December 13, 2023

UH OH....

Well fuck me.

Inverse Cramer FTW?

https://www.investors.com/market-trend/stock-market-today/dow-jones-futures-rise-market-rally-runs-on-fed-rate-cut-shift/

futures green

How green? …. Soylent green?

Everything is great, let the chasing begin.

not until like 2028-ish

got a couple more years

Market going up isn't a bull market.

Market going up to where is was is a recovery.

I appreciate your zeal, but it the only way this is a "bull market" is akin to Bidens methods of rating inflation.

So you are still living from the last peak and can’t see a long term view?

Nope. Been investing and increasing my investing year over year. Just stating the actual facts.

facts.  Lol

You might want to look up definitions of bear and bull market. There’s actually definitions for it based on index price.

We exited bear in the spring.

Bears and bulls agree on one thing.

Do the exact opposite of what Jim Cramer says.

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Off to buy DEEP buffer etfs

Well after reading this thread,

I know it’s exactly the right time to not know if it’s the right time to get into the market

If you don't plan on using the money for 10, 20+ years.....

Why would you care what the market does next year?

Gotta hand it to mochatx

He nailed the absolute bottom of the year. Then the bull gored him on a 7 week bull run.

Don’t bet against bull in a bull market. Bull fucking running.

Knocking on all time highs. Run bull. Run.

Did someone fertilize my money tree? Seems like the buds are sprouting.

For any investor this thread is a defacto history. This is a lesson to be learned.  You are not smarter than history.

If you decide to finger fuck your financial future….this is your lesson.

You are not smarter than people that make a dollar on half a dollar.

Omg the money. So much money.

Like always…doomer crickets.

I’m surprised they haven’t chimed in on a 1% drop and it’s all crashing just like they said.

Awesome!  I was mainly talking about doomers.  I’m up some 300% the last 5 years.

You’d have to try really hard to not be up 20+% this year. Bull fucking running yo.

Hey we found something that could actually make spidey doubt the bull market  

You should be teaching others.

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The Doom crew have been kinda quietly lately haven't they?

I think the main issue with the doom crew here, co workers and most people in generals prediction of it's going to fall apart any day now is that they tend to take way too narrow of a view of the macro economic picture. They tend to only focus on what's happening here in the USA or whatever their information source(s) tell them on a specific issue.

It's simply too narrow of a view. Pre Covid era, some of those thoughts could still be used to create a prediction. Especially if you wind back to the pre 2010 era.

World has changed a lot since then. The info is easy to get and very fast to obtain now. Money moves way faster now too. Covid dislocated in my opinion so many happenings and rules of the times prior, and everyone now has a world class computer in their pockets.

The US economy is a global economy now. Literally top to bottom. Real estate markets aren't as local as they used to be post Covid. It's easy and fast to see what's going on in other markets. Capital flight from the Eurozone and Asia is a very real thing. Capital flight from the coastal zones is also happening. It's driving new investment and new construction, which are all generators of money and wealth.

CHIPS act and the Inflation Reduction act combined with the desire to secure supply chains better is rewriting the game before our eyes. It's almost like a modern "new deal". It's been a really really long time since this amount of new and heavy manufacturing construction of all kinds of things has happened widespread in the states.

Geography also blessed the USA with a level of distance and security that most countries could only dream of.

It's not that we don't have economic problems. We certainly do. Everyone wants to hyper focus on those while completely discounting the global picture. Reality is the rest of the world's economic issues are much greater by orders of magnitude than the USA. We literally are the best house on the worst street and only street  for lack of a better analogy.

Where else do you park money and invest? Serious question?

I'd argue that there will be an entirely new step change in the next few years again. Star link will give 3-5 billion more people broadband access. That alone will change everything. AI usage is only beginning. Once it's widespread, there will be another very large jump in speeds and money movements again.

We produce energy, working to produce newer tech energy solutions, and have two oceans to buffer the nonsense.

Yeah yeah, if reading is for a bundle of sticks, then ain't nobody got time for macroeconomics......

Future is brighter than ever for the USA. Is the national debt out of hand? Maybe. Countries tend to outlive individuals and corporations. It's a greater lifecycle. They have the benefit of time that no one or no thing gets. North America is going to be the place to be for a good long time I think.

Then the doomsday question of "well what a nuclear war happens and the country dies?" That's a simple answer also. Your money no longer matters at that point anyways, so don't dwell on it too much. At that point it falls back to community and preparedness.

I'm not trying to lecture anyone here. I want to encourage people to think in broader terms is all.

TLDR; People tend to not hate money, and think bigger, not smaller.

Annualized return of investing in the S&P500:

This assumes you went "all in" at the beginning of the period, and added no more money to your account except reinvested dividends.
Data based on 11/17/23 close, does not include the recent run-up.

16.4% - 1 year
(0.4%) - 2 years
9.8% - 3 years
11.4% - 4 years
12.4% - 5 years
11.4% - 6 years
12.9% - 7 years
12.1% - 8 years
11.1% - 9 years
11.7% - 10 years
13.3% - 11 years
13.5% - 12 years
12.8% - 13 years
12.7% - 14 years
13.6% - 15 years
9.4% - 16 years (as if you went all-in 2007 right before the great recession at the peak of the market)
9.6% - 20 years
6.9% - 24 years (as if you went all-in 1999 right before the dot-bomb)
9.9% - 30 years
11.1% - 40 years

Slow and steady market investing consistently grows wealth, and exceeds inflation - with inflation adjusted growth between 7% and 8% on average.

If you started working/saving 30 years ago in 1993, making $32k and invested 15% of your income, and your income grew very slowly over the years earning $78k today, you'd still have over a million bucks in a 401k assuming NO company match.  

Even with a lousy company match you'd probably be closer to 1.4 million today due to compounding.

Using the 4% drawdown rule, you'd be looking at a minimum of $40,000 per year income from investments, plus $24,000 per year in SS income, bringing your retirement income to $64k, which is above 80% of your working income at retirement.
Using a 40 year career age 25 until age 65, you'd be looking at $100,000 per year income from investments, plus $24,000 per year in SS income, bringing your retirement income to $124k, which is above 150% of your working income at retirement.

How does anyone debate the value of long-term equity index investing?

Sources:
Real median individual income in 1993 was 59k and is 76k today.  https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MEHOINUSA672N
S&P500 calculator with periodic reinvestment:  https://dqydj.com/sp-500-periodic-reinvestment-calculator-dividends/

I like you. Saving to share with my investment club at school.

I think it’s an ant v grasshopper thing. The grasshopper can’t think beyond this season/year. He is terrified of loss.

That also means he’s terrified of gain.

You can show them the math, the path to life changing wealth. But they ignore it. Because “it’s all gonna crash”. They feel it. Their emotions drive them.

Look at op post. Up 15% since then. Omg the money tree.

4754

On one hand...
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On the other hand,
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Putting money under a digital fucking mattress...

I don't get it. Different time period? Different accounts?

First chart is YTD last year was down like 25%.

The second chart is total gain/loss over the life of the account. In my case since 2008. None of the funds show a 10 year return under 4% yet here we are. Funds have been automatically replaced by fidelity a few times  as funds have been discontinued. My cost basis is negative on 3 out of 4 funds.

This is what im in:
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Currently 71%  in this:
Fidelity ® Growth Company Commingled Pool Class F

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Those are based on your current positions only, which does not mean much.  What matters is your long term performance over time.

The S&P500 has an annualized return of 9.8% since Jan 2008, and 13.8% since Nov 2008.

Starting at zero in 2008 and constant periodic investing since, has a 12.4% annualized return.

You are getting fucked. Hard. Get the fuck out of that shit.

It’s not too late, you’re getting bent over, no lube.  You’re being robbed.  Like call police, robbery.

A long time ago my company was using Aetna for 401k admin thier S&P500 fund returned some absurd low number compared to the s&p 500.  I got into a knock down drag out with the rep at a company meeting in 2004 or so.   It got so ugly that the president of the company had to step in but miraculously the next year they were replaced by vanguard

Fast forward we get bought out and the new company goes with aon who's performance is so awful they've been sued by multiple companies.  

Just one of the suits:
https://www.investmentnews.com/industry-news/news/aon-hewitt-sued-for-401k-kickback-scheme-with-financial-engines-70487


It's all about who is paying off the HR rep. And for God sakes avoid those birthday funds.  I'm surprised those haven't been sued in oblivion yet.  

The most important part of investing?

Understand what you’re buying.

4774. Almost new all time high.

OP posted exactly 2 months ago of impending doom.  4130 or so on that day. 2 months. Up some 14% since. That’s real fucking money.

Where’s muh doomers at?