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Posted: 5/10/2024 7:42:03 PM EDT
I'm not entirely against grunge, but what a crappy trade they made.
We lost this - crisp music and clear lyrics:  Damn Yankees - Come Again (Official Video) For this guy who sang like he had a mouthful of marbles:  Pearl Jam - Yellow Ledbetter Or this:  What Pearl Jam sounds like to people who don't like Pearl Jam To wit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damn_Yankees_ By 1994, there had been a changing of the guard at Warners. Jack Blades explained:  The new regime came in, and they didn't want to do anything with that style of music. And in fact, they paid Damn Yankees a million dollars not to do another Damn Yankees record. We're like, 'Really? OK, we'll just take the check. Why not?' That was how it was because Damn Yankees had sold so many records and we were so recouped, so in our contract the next thing was like 'We get a million bucks to do an album,' and they just paid us the million dollars NOT to do the record. That's how much nobody wanted anything to do with that era and style of music. So after that, Nugent revived his solo career, leaving Tommy Shaw and Jack Blades to record their own album as the duo Shaw Blades. Released in March 1995, Hallucination received very little support from its label as the personnel change brought in industry executives more sympathetic to alternative and grunge bands. Ultimately, the Shaw Blades album came out to some critical praise, but it vanished without major single support or a national tour (which had been cancelled by Warner Bros.). "I'll Always Be With You" did garner some AOR airplay and the title track was heard in the hit movie Tommy Boy, but after a brief West Coast tour, both Shaw and Blades went back to their respective original bands, Styx and Night Ranger.All that time we were trying to figure out what Eddie Vedder was saying (or trying to find a rock station) and we could have been listening to this:  Time of the Season- Tommy Shaw and Jack Blades At least this made it to air before the world went ga-ga for grunge:  Warrant - Uncle Tom's Cabin |
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Posted: 5/10/2024 7:45:58 PM EDT
[#1]
People were ready for a change. That’s just how it goes.
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NC, USA
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Posted: 5/10/2024 7:47:14 PM EDT
[Last Edit: runfrumu]
[#2]
To be fair I believe yellow ledbetter was a demo the band recorded with Vedder sitting in for the first time just sounding out what he thought the song should sound like with no real lyrics and the record company released it to cash in on Pearl Jam.
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Posted: 5/10/2024 7:48:21 PM EDT
[#3]
It was going to happen regardless.
The longevity of Pearl Jam’s career and the depth of their catalog validates that choice entirely. |
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Posted: 5/10/2024 7:49:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By runfrumu: To be fair I believe yellow ledbetter was a demo the band recorded with Vedder sitting in for the first time just sounding out what he thought he song should sound like with no real lyrics and the record company released it to cash in on Pearl Jam. Yep, he has said numerous times that the released recording was scratch lyrics and he never finished writing them before the record company put it out as a B-side of their own volition. |
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Posted: 5/10/2024 7:50:16 PM EDT
[#5]
Big hair hit its expiration date. Good trade.
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Posted: 5/10/2024 7:51:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By runfrumu: To be fair I believe yellow ledbetter was a demo the band recorded with Vedder sitting in for the first time just sounding out what he thought the song should sound like with no real lyrics and the record company released it to cash in on Pearl Jam. I have no idea what they mean, but here’s the lyrics: Unsealed, on a porch a letter sat Then you said, "I wanna leave it again" Once I saw her on a beach of weathered sand And on the sand I wanna leave her again On a weekend I wanna wish it all away, yeah And they called and I said that I'll go And I said that I'll call out again And the reason I ought ta leave her calm, I know I said, "I don't know whether I'm the boxer or the bag" Oh yeah, can you see them, out on the porch? Yeah, but they don't wave I see them 'round the front way, yeah And I know, and I know I don't wanna stay Make me cry I see oh, I don't know why there's something else I want to, wanna drum it all away I said, "I don't, I don't know whether I was the boxer or the bag" Oh yeah, can you see them, out the on porch? Yeah, but they don't wave I see them 'round the front way And I know, and I know I don't want to stay at all I don't want to stay I don't want to stay I don't want to stay I don't, I don't want to stay |
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Posted: 5/10/2024 7:53:19 PM EDT
[#7]
I don't give a fuck who's at fault.
I'm still pissed. |
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Posted: 5/10/2024 7:53:40 PM EDT
[#8]
I think you underestimate how tired people were of 80s glam rock and metal
That being said... grunge is generally awful with only a few stand outs that you couldn't really call totally grunge 100% of the time like Soundgarden, STP, Collective Soul, etc |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 5/10/2024 7:54:14 PM EDT
[#9]
Nah, good trade. Glam rock/"metal" sucks.
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Posted: 5/10/2024 7:57:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GI-45: Nah, good trade. Glam rock/"metal" sucks. I agree, corporate rock was getting old and people wanted something genuine. |
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Posted: 5/10/2024 7:57:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Media_Noche: People were ready for a change. That’s just how it goes. FPNI. And I like both, but grunge was a welcome addition. |
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Posted: 5/10/2024 8:00:47 PM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lungbuster: Big hair hit its expiration date. Good trade. This Was not a fan of hair bands. Rock and Roll should not include teased hair with a can of spray and make-up on males. |
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CO, USA
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Posted: 5/10/2024 8:03:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 917-30: This Was not a fan of hair bands. Rock and Roll should not include teased hair with a can of spray and make-up on males. Late 80s, early 90s rock had turned into makeup-wearing hair bands. It was time for a change. I like both, but not the hair bands, as much. |
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USA
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Posted: 5/10/2024 8:05:05 PM EDT
[#14]
 W.A.S.P. - Harder Faster |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 5/10/2024 8:06:24 PM EDT
[#15]
I liked DY, but grunge generally sucked and that era sucked for music. But every decade has a crap list of music and some good shines through.
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Posted: 5/10/2024 8:07:08 PM EDT
[#16]
Lamenting the vicissitudes of top 40 music?
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Posted: 5/10/2024 8:08:49 PM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Wespe: I have no idea what they mean, but here’s the lyrics: Unsealed, on a porch a letter sat Then you said, "I wanna leave it again" Once I saw her on a beach of weathered sand And on the sand I wanna leave her again On a weekend I wanna wish it all away, yeah And they called and I said that I'll go And I said that I'll call out again And the reason I ought ta leave her calm, I know I said, "I don't know whether I'm the boxer or the bag" Oh yeah, can you see them, out on the porch? Yeah, but they don't wave I see them 'round the front way, yeah And I know, and I know I don't wanna stay Make me cry I see oh, I don't know why there's something else I want to, wanna drum it all away I said, "I don't, I don't know whether I was the boxer or the bag" Oh yeah, can you see them, out the on porch? Yeah, but they don't wave I see them 'round the front way And I know, and I know I don't want to stay at all I don't want to stay I don't want to stay I don't want to stay I don't, I don't want to stay Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Wespe: Originally Posted By runfrumu: To be fair I believe yellow ledbetter was a demo the band recorded with Vedder sitting in for the first time just sounding out what he thought the song should sound like with no real lyrics and the record company released it to cash in on Pearl Jam. I have no idea what they mean, but here’s the lyrics: Unsealed, on a porch a letter sat Then you said, "I wanna leave it again" Once I saw her on a beach of weathered sand And on the sand I wanna leave her again On a weekend I wanna wish it all away, yeah And they called and I said that I'll go And I said that I'll call out again And the reason I ought ta leave her calm, I know I said, "I don't know whether I'm the boxer or the bag" Oh yeah, can you see them, out on the porch? Yeah, but they don't wave I see them 'round the front way, yeah And I know, and I know I don't wanna stay Make me cry I see oh, I don't know why there's something else I want to, wanna drum it all away I said, "I don't, I don't know whether I was the boxer or the bag" Oh yeah, can you see them, out the on porch? Yeah, but they don't wave I see them 'round the front way And I know, and I know I don't want to stay at all I don't want to stay I don't want to stay I don't want to stay I don't, I don't want to stay The lyrics change everytime he sings it because they don't really mean anything. It was bits and pieces of some song he'd been thinking of writing with some random shit thrown in. He changes the words and meaning of the song based on whatever he wants it to be about that day. |
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Posted: 5/10/2024 8:10:24 PM EDT
[#18]
I don't think one record label can change the direction of music.
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Posted: 5/10/2024 8:12:51 PM EDT
[#19]
I loved and miss them both. Love them to this day, honestly.
80s glam rock was fun and big, like the 80s. 90s grunge was the soundtrack of me becoming a man and building a life and career. both wonderful, both valid. |
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Posted: 5/10/2024 8:16:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kingdead: I don't think one record label can change the direction of music. Oh, I agree. It's just a convenient place to shine the spotlight, mainly for the purpose of having something to say, to start an argument. Or a Friday Night Music Thread. Young people *always* want new and different music. Me, personally, I was pretty happy with rock, though. It took me years to warm up to PJ and Soundgarden and fast forward ~30 years and as much as I love and still enjoy Chris Cornell's music/voice, the rest of it....meh. I can do without it. But I still love good 80's rock. Yeah, the hair metal stuff got silly. But simple, hard rock, never got old to me.  Jackyl - When Will It Rain  Skid Row - Little Wing (Official Music Video) |
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Posted: 5/10/2024 8:17:59 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Kingdead]
[#21]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By arowneragain: Oh, I agree. It's just a convenient place to shine the spotlight, mainly for the purpose of having something to say, to start an argument. Or a Friday Night Music Thread. Young people *always* want new and different music. Me, personally, I was pretty happy with rock, though. It took me years to warm up to PJ and Soundgarden and fast forward ~30 years and as much as I love and still enjoy Chris Cornell's music/voice, the rest of it....meh. I can do without it. But I still love good 80's rock. Yeah, the hair metal stuff got silly. But simple, hard rock, never got old to me.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0U0fRwAbrHI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zPBpWwTiPs |
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Posted: 5/10/2024 8:22:32 PM EDT
[#22]
 You're the guy!! I always wondered what kind of... well.. what kind of guy actually eagerly consumed that particular brand of late 80's style schlock.. The dregs of hair metal. Thanks. I understand now. Grunge-or-whatever came along because a great number of your contemporaries were not in agreement with your tastes and were in fact quite desperate for anything at all that did not sound like that. |
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USA
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Posted: 5/10/2024 8:30:43 PM EDT
[#23]
 About A Girl (Remastered) |
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Posted: 5/10/2024 8:31:38 PM EDT
[#24]
Old people usually hate the music that follows what was popular when they were teenagers/young adults. Same as it ever was.
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Posted: 5/10/2024 8:32:55 PM EDT
[#25]
 The Fall That ROCKED the WORLD! What Happened In 1991? |
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MD, USA
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Posted: 5/10/2024 8:34:57 PM EDT
[#26]
Iam glad grunge came about hair metal was really sucking. Early 80s metal was the best maiden, priest,
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WA, USA
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Posted: 5/10/2024 8:40:34 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Wespe: I agree, corporate rock was getting old and people wanted something genuine. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Wespe: Originally Posted By GI-45: Nah, good trade. Glam rock/"metal" sucks. I agree, corporate rock was getting old and people wanted something genuine. Which was quickly subverted by corporate alternative, which was replaced by something else new, which was subverted by the corporate version of it. Such is the nature of the music biz. |
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Posted: 5/10/2024 8:43:00 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryMy freshman year of high school. 
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 5/10/2024 8:44:09 PM EDT
[#29]
The '80s did give us thrash metal, I'll give it that.
 As a '90s teen, that was the only '80s music I listened to. |
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WI, USA
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Posted: 5/10/2024 8:44:42 PM EDT
[#30]
I'll take Alice in Chains over any 80s rock.
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USA
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Posted: 5/10/2024 8:49:15 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GI-45: The '80s did give us thrash metal, I'll give it that. As a '90s teen, that was the only '80s music I listened to. Testament - Practice What You Preach |
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Posted: 5/10/2024 8:52:12 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistorySmashing Pumpkins is OK in my book. |
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Posted: 5/10/2024 8:53:23 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lungbuster: Big hair hit its expiration date. Good trade. Fuck yes. That tranny rock was beyond stale. |
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Posted: 5/10/2024 8:54:25 PM EDT
[#34]
80's rock is responsible for the degradation of society. If 80's rock didn't suck, Grunge would've never taken over. If Grunge had never taken over, gangster rap would've never become mainstream. I hope the leather pants and hairspray was worth it.
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TX, USA
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Posted: 5/10/2024 8:54:35 PM EDT
[#35]
90's music was awesome
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 5/10/2024 8:56:31 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuote HistoryOriginally Posted By hbilly: Originally Posted By GI-45: The '80s did give us thrash metal, I'll give it that. As a '90s teen, that was the only '80s music I listened to. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHOJVINZVR0I still need to see those guys. Looks like they're coming to AZ later this year. |
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Posted: 5/10/2024 8:56:39 PM EDT
[#37]
Appetite For Destruction was the beginning of the end for glam rock.
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Posted: 5/10/2024 8:58:00 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HRoark87: 80's rock is responsible for the degradation of society. If 80's rock didn't suck, Grunge would've never taken over. If Grunge had never taken over, gangster rap would've never become mainstream. I hope the leather pants and hairspray was worth it. It literally became a recording of a recording of a… you get it. With the associated degradation that copies always produce. You’d still get gems - Skid Row is a late hair-metal gem - but it was easy to track the decline. |
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Posted: 5/10/2024 9:03:16 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HRoark87: 80's rock is responsible for the degradation of society. If 80's rock didn't suck, Grunge would've never taken over. If Grunge had never taken over, gangster rap would've never become mainstream. I hope the leather pants and hairspray was worth it. But 80’s rock didn’t suck. They paid Damn Yankees a million dollars, back when that was a lot of money, to not make a record. Even though all their prior stuff sold well. 80’s rock didn’t suck. Grunge kids just wanted something different to be dirty hippies to. This is the most cheesy hair glam thing I can think of, and you can’t tell me it wasn’t pure talent:  Poison - I Won't Forget You Listen to that guitar. I think I’ll run to the dollar store and see if they have any hair spray. Not sure what I’ll do with it but don’t mind that. |
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USA
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Posted: 5/10/2024 9:06:16 PM EDT
[#40]
All I have to say is
Headbangers Ball. |
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TN, USA
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Posted: 5/10/2024 9:07:27 PM EDT
[#41]
We traded "men" in make up and hair spray for guys in flannel with beards. Good trade.
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Posted: 5/10/2024 9:09:59 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By arowneragain: But 80’s rock didn’t suck. They paid Damn Yankees a million dollars, back when that was a lot of money, to not make a record. Even though all their prior stuff sold well. 80’s rock didn’t suck. Grunge kids just wanted something different to be dirty hippies to. This is the most cheesy hair glam thing I can think of, and you can’t tell me it wasn’t pure talent: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJJ_HJ-9JNMListen to that guitar. I think I’ll run to the dollar store and see if they have any hair spray. Not sure what I’ll do with it but don’t mind that. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By arowneragain: Originally Posted By HRoark87: 80's rock is responsible for the degradation of society. If 80's rock didn't suck, Grunge would've never taken over. If Grunge had never taken over, gangster rap would've never become mainstream. I hope the leather pants and hairspray was worth it. But 80’s rock didn’t suck. They paid Damn Yankees a million dollars, back when that was a lot of money, to not make a record. Even though all their prior stuff sold well. 80’s rock didn’t suck. Grunge kids just wanted something different to be dirty hippies to. This is the most cheesy hair glam thing I can think of, and you can’t tell me it wasn’t pure talent: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJJ_HJ-9JNMListen to that guitar. I think I’ll run to the dollar store and see if they have any hair spray. Not sure what I’ll do with it but don’t mind that. Listening to that makes me want to move to Seattle and put a shotgun in my mouth |
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OK, USA
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Posted: 5/10/2024 9:13:43 PM EDT
[Last Edit: ch1966]
[#43]
 Drive-By Truckers- Self Destructive Zones (Brighter Than Creation's Dark) The hippies rode a wave putting smiles on faces, that the devil wouldnt even put a shoe Caught between a generation dying from its habits, and another thinking rock and roll was new They turned what was into something so disgusting even wild dogs would disregard the bones Dead fat or rich nobodys left to bitch about the goings' on in self destructive zones |
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Posted: 5/10/2024 9:23:26 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Spaceboy: We traded "men" in make up and hair spray for guys in flannel with beards. Good trade. We traded real men in gay clothes, for gay men in real clothes. |
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Posted: 5/10/2024 9:24:15 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By arowneragain: But 80’s rock didn’t suck. They paid Damn Yankees a million dollars, back when that was a lot of money, to not make a record. Even though all their prior stuff sold well. 80’s rock didn’t suck. Grunge kids just wanted something different to be dirty hippies to. This is the most cheesy hair glam thing I can think of, and you can’t tell me it wasn’t pure talent: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJJ_HJ-9JNMListen to that guitar. I think I’ll run to the dollar store and see if they have any hair spray. Not sure what I’ll do with it but don’t mind that. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By arowneragain: Originally Posted By HRoark87: 80's rock is responsible for the degradation of society. If 80's rock didn't suck, Grunge would've never taken over. If Grunge had never taken over, gangster rap would've never become mainstream. I hope the leather pants and hairspray was worth it. But 80’s rock didn’t suck. They paid Damn Yankees a million dollars, back when that was a lot of money, to not make a record. Even though all their prior stuff sold well. 80’s rock didn’t suck. Grunge kids just wanted something different to be dirty hippies to. This is the most cheesy hair glam thing I can think of, and you can’t tell me it wasn’t pure talent: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJJ_HJ-9JNMListen to that guitar. I think I’ll run to the dollar store and see if they have any hair spray. Not sure what I’ll do with it but don’t mind that. The thing is that music’s time was over. Done. I actually want to hear that DY album because their previous two were good. The opening riff on Don’t Tread on Me is one of the greatest ever. |
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Posted: 5/10/2024 9:25:47 PM EDT
[#46]
80's metal sucked, thank god that shit died
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Posted: 5/10/2024 9:25:48 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HRoark87: Listening to that makes me want to move to Seattle and put a shotgun in my mouth I will never forget the first time I heard Nirvana. I thought it was awesome. I drove up to a party and someone had lit a bonfire on a construction site and the brushpile must have been 10' tall *BEFORE* they poured diesel on it and lit it. Some kids from the neighboring town were dancing in front of the fire to Smells Like Teen Spirit blaring from a car radio. It left an impression on me. But I still missed 80's rock pretty soon afterwards. |
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Posted: 5/10/2024 9:29:08 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By macman37: The thing is that music’s time was over. Done. I actually want to hear that DY album because their previous two were good. The opening riff on Don’t Tread on Me is one of the greatest ever. I think people carelessly confuse bands like Damn Yankees - a literal supergroup of very talented and accomplished musicians - with whatever formulaic hair glam rock MTV video boy band was being pushed on any given day. They aren't the same. One is a masterpiece; the other is a cheap copy. I blame the record execs for just doing whatever they could to copy the excesses of the 80's in the next boy-band they could throw on a stage. |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 5/10/2024 9:31:35 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By hbilly: All I have to say is Headbangers Ball.  Sargent "D" and the S.O.D. |
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Posted: 5/10/2024 9:33:07 PM EDT
[#50]
It was a good trade.
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