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Posted: 1/31/2024 11:45:52 PM EDT
Good review. The best one I've seen.
If I am wrong, I would like feedback.

Link Posted: 2/1/2024 1:16:44 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Urimaginaryfrnd] [#1]
Problem #1. A federally required ID should have a path to be Federally Issued. Defense Consulting Service does the investigation and issues for military LE.  The Post Office issues Passports and has LE “Postal Inspectors “. The U.S. Marshall has the authority to Deputize. (Pick One and fix this). For officers with service in multiple states there is often a disagreement on who issues. If the law was worded “Shall Issue or Show Cause” then we could get past the good old boy system where some chiefs only give the ID to their buddies. Sorry you weren’t my drinking buddy - no ID. Oh you testified against someone in the department because they did something criminal….good luck getting an ID.

Problem #2. QRLEO and Off Duty LEO must be exempt from any location “Open to the Public” and exempt from “Gun Free School Zones”.  NOTE: these are the places Active Shooters target. Clearly the intent of Title 18 US Code 926B, 926C is to allow trained Law Enforcement the ability to stop in progress violent crime. Any government building that does not want LE carrying “Must provide locking gun boxes”.  Jail and Courthouse already do that. Just because some store or activity open to the public puts a no carry sticker up yet remains open to the general public should never be interpreted as excluding armed Law Enforcement .

Problem #3. LEOSA needs to clearly exempt all Off Duty and retired QRLEO from state laws restricting magazine type, ammo type and firearm type. If you carried a riot gun, or rifle on duty in your car, you should be authorized those also, especially in response to Active Shooters. Does not apply to NFA machine guns.
LE should be exempt from high capacity magazine rules, this is really important in border state cities where part of the city is in each state it’s a problem if one state has a ten round mag rule. You can’t just run home and switch to ten round mags or toss them in the trunk and it be OK.

Problem#4 add a 6 month grace period to the 1 year qual rule to recognize that it is not always instantly possible to schedule a range qual. Even on duty with a range on the property there were times my last agency was 2 months late getting to the range qual.
Fix Those things and it will save lives.

Link Posted: 2/3/2024 3:31:20 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Urimaginaryfrnd:
…The Post Office issues Passports and has LE “Postal Inspectors…“.

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Huh? The US State department issues passports. The post office is just some place that can help you apply for one, but you dont even need to use them. If you can read at a basic level, you can send in the application yourself.

And what does the Postal Inspectors have to do with anything? Tons of federal agencies have their own agents for investigating internal crimes.
Link Posted: 2/5/2024 2:31:09 PM EDT
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Had a major falling out w my sheriff after retirement .  Can no longer carry nationwide. No biggie. But once you retire from le you should be able to carry anywhere, regardless of politics.
Link Posted: 2/5/2024 11:00:58 PM EDT
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Good video.

I was always under the impression LEOSA required a separate qual and ID even for active LEO’s which seemed cumbersome.



Link Posted: 2/7/2024 7:50:11 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By NYresq1:


Huh? The US State department issues passports. The post office is just some place that can help you apply for one, but you dont even need to use them. If you can read at a basic level, you can send in the application yourself.

And what does the Postal Inspectors have to do with anything? Tons of federal agencies have their own agents for investigating internal crimes.
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It is a common practice to make application through the Post Office when asking the State Department to issue a Passport.  One reason that works well most of the time is that there are Post Offices in almost every city so it allows good access in all parts of the United States.   I don't care who does the investigation or which agency issues the Federally REQUIRED ID but there should be some path to have some agency of the Federal Government issue the ID that is required by Federal Law.  It's not unreasonable to expect a Federal FIX to a Federal PROBLEM. Consistency regarding the equal application of law is a reasonable concept allowing the same set of rules to apply in every state. Unfortunately for some QRLEO Eligible officers particularly those with service in more than one state or a mix of service part being Federal LE part being State, County or Municipal LE, there can be disagreement on which agency shall issue. Nothing in the law states the last agency shall issue or show cause, and some agencies simply do not issue the ID to anyone, nothing in current federal law says they are required to issue and there is no path to appeal a denial unless you file a civil suit.
Link Posted: 3/14/2024 4:55:25 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Urimaginaryfrnd:
Problem #1. A federally required ID should have a path to be Federally Issued. Defense Consulting Service does the investigation and issues for military LE.  ...

Problem #2. ...

Problem #3. ...

Problem#4 ...

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Man, the DCS supplied card I'm really split on like its nice to know I have the authorizations but it is so jank and theyre so rare that they few times I've presented it when going places I was authorized to carry I always get strange looks.

Saved to watch the vid for later but man problem 3 is likely the biggest annoyance for me.
Link Posted: 3/17/2024 6:49:35 PM EDT
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Thanks for posting that, OP.  I have always had a couple questions about LEOSA that I never felt were adequately answered.  One I've always had was the part about private businesses.  Our agency policy states that we shall carry while off duty within the confines of the county.  Folks at my agency take that to mean that there are no prohibitions to carrying anywhere in the county, as our policy states that 'you shall.' But I always had the feeling that an agency policy doesn't trump a state or federal law, and there are still plenty of prohibited places.
Link Posted: 4/20/2024 10:44:00 AM EDT
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I'm planning on visiting my son in New Jersey, and possibly venturing into New York to do tourist stuff.

I'm trying to figure out how to make sure I don't get jammed up carrying on my LEOSA credentials.

What's the current rules on ammo type and mag capacity up there these days?

Also, are NJ and NY jamming up retired cops carrying on LEOSA up there these days or not?
Link Posted: 4/20/2024 2:28:55 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By ExFed1811:
I'm planning on visiting my son in New Jersey, and possibly venturing into New York to do tourist stuff.

I'm trying to figure out how to make sure I don't get jammed up carrying on my LEOSA credentials.

What's the current rules on ammo type and mag capacity up there these days?

Also, are NJ and NY jamming up retired cops carrying on LEOSA up there these days or not?
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The whole FMJ versus HP ammo issue has been cleared up so you’re good to go on ammo. Do not fuck around with magazine capacity though, stay within the state rules. Especially so for the area you’re going into. Out here nobody would care but up there? I wouldn’t roll those dice. It sucks and hopefully they get that addressed in the next amendment to LEOSA. 406 days I’ll be joining you in retirement from the 1811 world.
Link Posted: 4/20/2024 2:53:08 PM EDT
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They left us out, so it's meaningless to Corrections - we don't count apparently. I'll stick with states that recognize EVERYONE to carry.
Link Posted: 4/21/2024 4:12:10 AM EDT
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was planning on flying into jfk with a glock 43x with 10rd mags in checked luggage.  exit the airport, load up my gun, uber into NJ to buy a car and drive it back to Ohio.
Figured I was good with JHPs and 10rd mags.

was just at cleveland hopkins on thursday dropping my daughter off.  lady at the desk asked if i wanted to escort my daughter to the terminal (she's 21) and gave me a security pass.
threw my wallet, keys and badge (didn't leave that in the car) and shoes on the counter to get scanned and as i was walking up to the machine, i forgot my belt.  tsa has me take it off and hand it to him.
he goes, wow, this belt is heavy (kore essentials leather) and starts trying to find weapons in it and after i go through the machine, he says he has to frisk me.

i said for a belt?  i told you it was a gun belt, that's why it's stiff and heavy.  

Link Posted: 4/21/2024 4:31:22 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 4/21/2024 5:13:35 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By ExFed1811:
I'm planning on visiting my son in New Jersey, and possibly venturing into New York to do tourist stuff.

I'm trying to figure out how to make sure I don't get jammed up carrying on my LEOSA credentials.

What's the current rules on ammo type and mag capacity up there these days?

Also, are NJ and NY jamming up retired cops carrying on LEOSA up there these days or not?
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No restrictions on ammo. Used to be an issue for hollow points in nj but that’s been taken care of.  Magazines are another issue. 10 rounds only. There are some restrictions where you can carry. No places that serve alcohol, I believe. No schools. And some specific places in nyc. Times Square I believe.
Link Posted: 4/21/2024 5:16:10 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Aimless:
I've flown with Kore and even wilderness instructor belts-weird

I heard NY is trying to make the qualification for Leosa more difficult. Not sure how the qualification works or if the state can alter it. But NY will probably do it anyways "go ahead and sue us"
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I thought the qualifications were the same as active le in ny
Link Posted: 4/22/2024 8:59:00 AM EDT
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Thanks for the replies. I'm driving in so at least I don't have to deal with all the airline hassles.
Link Posted: 4/25/2024 5:11:08 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Chowser:
was planning on flying into jfk with a glock 43x with 10rd mags in checked luggage.  exit the airport, load up my gun, uber into NJ to buy a car and drive it back to Ohio.
Figured I was good with JHPs and 10rd mags.

was just at cleveland hopkins on thursday dropping my daughter off.  lady at the desk asked if i wanted to escort my daughter to the terminal (she's 21) and gave me a security pass.
threw my wallet, keys and badge (didn't leave that in the car) and shoes on the counter to get scanned and as i was walking up to the machine, i forgot my belt.  tsa has me take it off and hand it to him.
he goes, wow, this belt is heavy (kore essentials leather) and starts trying to find weapons in it and after i go through the machine, he says he has to frisk me.

i said for a belt?  i told you it was a gun belt, that's why it's stiff and heavy.  

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Dont try to reason with TSA robots... They are programmed to follow a set of rules spelled out at a kindergarten education level. They are told "zero deviation no matter what..." A situation can make sense to anyone, but if its not spelled out in their rules, they vapor lock and have to call a higher pay grade to make a decision.

I have watched TSA people ask a woman with no legs if she can get out of her chair so they can check her... Watch them frisk people at the check point. You will see them start frisking people at the wrist and squeeze their arms all the way to the shoulder, regardless of what they are wearing. It looks silly when you see them squeezing a guys arm wearing a tank top. they will do the same with someone wearing flip flops and shorts, starting at the ankle and working their way all the way up to the taint... But if there are 10 TSA people searching people, all 10 will go through the same motions, frisking bare skin if there is no clothing covering it...
Link Posted: 5/4/2024 3:12:42 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By NYresq1:


Huh? The US State department issues passports. The post office is just some place that can help you apply for one, but you dont even need to use them. If you can read at a basic level, you can send in the application yourself.
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You can only send in the application form yourself for a renewal, not initial passport issue.  This must be done in person at an acceptance facility (including post offices, but also other locations), passport center (State), or passport agency (State).
Link Posted: 5/5/2024 12:23:38 AM EDT
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I just did my own renewal a few months ago.  Took my 17rd old to the library to do his initial passport application last month.
Link Posted: Yesterday 11:40:49 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By blueinterceptor:



I thought the qualifications were the same as active le in ny
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They are.  NY isn't happy though with retired LE carrying or those that have found loopholes in the law.
Link Posted: Yesterday 12:27:16 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By fighter443:
They are.  NY isn't happy though with retired LE carrying or those that have found loopholes in the law.
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Where did you read that? I am curious.
Link Posted: Yesterday 3:46:19 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By batjka104:


Where did you read that? I am curious.
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I took my LEOSA class a few months ago.  My instructor mentioned that NY is debating doing away with private individuals conducting the program because they (NY) want more control over who can and cannot take the course.

Besides the fact that it is NY and they hate guns.

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