This. Cops fucked up.

Yeah, this is a good point. Either way they screwed up. The only unknown is if the dead guy screwed up too.

This is the question I have. Through the years, I have personally known several guys that did repos, including my cousin, and they were all scumbags. Also, did the police ever verify that the repo order was legit before setting up the ambush?

Why is the word of a shithead repo guy gold? Maybe the guy pulled the gun from his back pocket and pointed it at repo boy only after he threatened,  physically advanced and shoved him.

I know listening to repo boys brag about the shit they did when repoing cars was interesting.

I'd say he did.  He came busting out of his house with a gun and was ambushed.  It doesn't matter whether the repo was legit or not, he screwed up.  

Either way, the State has a duty to not screw up and end someone's life.

Seems like a phone call to Perkins from either the officers or even a dispatcher could have gone a long way in preventing this...  

Or at least establishing mindset, etc - to put together a plan of action in reference to the brandishing investigation.

I don't know police procedures, and I guess that could be an option.  I worked at a majority black hospital in an majority black city for several years, and I can tell you, there is no "talking to him".  He's going to come to the door with that pistol, getting loud and acting a fool.  Like he did in their presence.  He would end with his death any way it began.

My bet is the ossifers felt that if the accusation was true, the guy would do it again, so they didn't announce their presence and were going to let him come out on his own, and then take him into custody.  That would seem like the easiest way to do it.  I bet they didn't think he would come out like he did acting as fast as he did, so fast that their only option was to shoot him.  

Perkins ran out fast and started pointing his pistol, why didn't he come out and engage in a calm conversation with the repo man, and explain to the repo man that the bill had been paid?  Because he wasn't a rational person.  

The dept and DA had to fire and charge or their city would be burned down.  Democrats learned the value of having a criminally inclined voting block that goes straight to violence.  The white sheets and hoods of the Democrat KKK have been replaced by gang colors, pants sagging below the butt, and Bird Man Nite Sites.

At that hospital where I worked, I encountered a black man in an area where visitors are usually lost, and he had that look on his face.  It happened a dozen times a week.  So I said "sir, may I help you find something".  "You trying to get rid of me?"  No sir, usually when visitors are here, there are lost".  "So I can't stand here because I'm black?"  "Sir, you are welcome to stand there all day long if you like, have a pleasant evening".  So I am waiting on an elevator and he says, "I'm looking fo da second flo". I told him someone will be there shortly to help him find his way.  I realized that what I said initially sounded like something a cop might say when he was going car to car looking into the cars in a parking lot.  I stopped offering assistance to blacks.  From then on, they had to ask.  If someone in management or HR had walked up, he would have accused me of racism, and they would have believed him.  

They aren't a rational people, and seem quick to rage.  If you've been paying attention to what has been happening in our society, you should know that.  You should also know they don't follow "officer commands", and that blue lights and a badge don't de-escalate, they put gas on the fire.  And there have been a lot of cops being attacked and killed.  That situation wasn't likely to end well for Perkins.

What went through the ossifers minds?  I don't know.  But personal experience and what I've seen in you tube videos tells me members of the black community don't often "talk" about anything in a situation like that.  For the most part, they are very poorly educated and don't understand things have to work through the system.  They think it happens on the side of the road.

With regard to the repo:  my bet is that if he wasn't behind on payments, he had been and was in the collections process.  Perhaps they had been calling him and he suspected it was coming.  If the process got started, and he made a payment, the process may have been ongoing and wasn't stopped in time.  Or, maybe not.  Again, it has to work through the system.  They repo cars at night to try to avoid that kind of mess, and if doing it in the day the car might be at work in a secure lot with a guard, or just about anywhere.  It would take the repo man a lot longer to find and grab the car.

I'm sure you'll wonder why the repo man didn't knock on the door and show the guy the paperwork, and explain that he has to take the truck.  They don't do it like that for a reason you won't likely understand.

I don't think the world is worse off with Perkins in the ground.

I had a young brutha tell me he had a Cadillac truck and once parked in a Wal Mart parking lot in Florida.  Thieves had a repo type apparatus on their truck, pulled up, identified his vehicle, backed in to put the lift part under the rear of the truck, lifted it, and were gone in less than 2 minutes.  Cops showed him the video.

So, yes, there is.

Was the repo legal and the repo guy on within his rights to be on the property?

If no, then this could accurately be described as an ambush with the repo guy at fault.

If yes, then he was it seems he was committing aggravated assault at the time of contact and it's a good shoot.

I don't really give af about "department policy", and the idea that you have to give commands, sacrifice a chicken and spin around 3 times chanting "no whammy, no whammy, no whammy" or whatever ridiculous bullshit is just that.  If someone is illegally and believably threatening your life or someone else's they need a bullet immediately and the longer you delay the more lives are at risk.  By the same token some idiots out there routinely using firearms as control devices is also retarded and probably illegal, regardless of what their sacred policy states.



Practically speaking in this situation a report should have been filed for the previous agg assault claim and the cops could have looked into it in the morning.  Laying in wait to support a bank/dealership/repoman/whoever in the middle of the night for a civil matter is retarded and contrary any type of reasonable activity "public safety" officers should be doing.

Texas?  For some reason I was thinking this incident occurred in Alabama.

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I didn’t say they’d be in front of the house. That would be stupid.

But they came back to assist the repo instead of enforce the law, and they did it at night. Dumb.

No, it’s clear that they were there to assist the repo. That’s why they brought the repo man.

The actual loan status and no info about charges/lawsuits towards repoman/bank have been in the local news, only the cop firings and charges.  

At least one article describing how the repoman/bank may have broken the law and could be held civilly liable for the death even if the loan was past due enough to allow reposession:
https://whnt.com/news/decatur/stephen-perkins/decatur-attorney-explains-fine-print-of-alabamas-repossession-law-and-its-effect-on-civil-liability/

You mean like this incident?

https://www.police1.com/legal/judge-dismisses-murder-charges-ex-houston-officer-had-faced-over-2019-drug-raid

Depends on policy. If it’s a call for service they may have to show up, even if it's a bullshit civil call.

The fuck up is on the dead guy. He turned a civil matter into a criminal one.

As Dave Chappelle used to say, "when keeping it real goes wrong ".

I have a relative with a couple of classic cars. He caught a tow truck driver on his property writing down VINs in the middle of the night. The arresting officer said it was probably so the driver could doctor some paperwork for when he came back later to grab one of the cars.

Yup, just happened to my neighbor.  Car never had a lien, he pays cash for his.

Wow you sure do paint a dark picture of the guy and all other blacks.

did you watch the video and hear the tow truck driver request police escort to repo a truck?  Maybe you missed that part.  In the beginning of the recorded call the tow truck guy says he already called ted or john, or some guy he called by first name and told him about it.

Then the dispatch calls the officer on a recorded line and says she had a call and goes on to explain.  She also says the tow driver is requesting police assistance.

It is so obvious that the police were 100% in the wrong here.  This was a complex ambush complete with mag dump. This is not an attempted arrest.

Civilly liable seems like some bullshit.  He and/or his bosses need to be on the hook for manslaughter, or if they can actually prove (extremely unlikely) they didn't give af and fully intended to trespass on his property at night murder.

Four officers fired and one charged with murder.

If the driver was stealing the car he can be charged with felony murder.

This place is full of people too lazy to read.  If you would read the threads you would see that:
It is against state law as well as the PD policy for the police to help with repo.  

Sure, go knock on the guy's door and investigate if he threatened repoman, that is the police's job.  
Their job is not to break their own rules and "help" with a repo by ambushing people and murdering them.

Looks like the "no duty to protect" thing should insulate the repo guy, et al.

The officers willingly chose to do everything they did.

Read the article again. A repossession with police help isn’t lawful.

I wasn't meaning the cops with et al, but the business repo guy worked for.

None of the repo side could force the cops to join in and(had it been an actual emergency) if the cops chose not to intervene they wouldn't be on the hook, so looks like the plan and it's execution is entirely the creation of the cops involved.

So yes, you have to lie to support your view.  

The video from the cops played the recording of the repo man making the ADW report to 911, and the ossifers were dispatched to do whatever they were dispatched to do.  It's not likely they knew it would happen like it did, albeit a positive outcome.  If they guy had just walked out and started mouthing, they could take him into custody.  But he ran out and started pointing the gun at the repo man.  ADW, ossifers in fear for their life and just wanted to go home safe.  Mag dump with a couple hits.  Dead perp.  

Their body cameras would record their conversations, so it will be easy to determine what they were up to.

I bet the officers tried to save him by laying hands on him, but their special healing powers from above were no match for the evil that burned in his heart as dark as 13 nights.

Experience my man.  I always hope they'll be different, but they don't.  There is something really wrong in the black community, and white folks can't be expected to understand or fix it.

Are you one of the officers from the incident?  You sure do seem to know a lot of what everyone was thinking and anticipating.

A buddy knocked a tow truck driver out once.
The driver made the mistake of shoving a 6’4” dude built like an NFL linebacker.


My buddy got arrested, the driver , in court, admitted the shove, and that was that.
Dismissed.

My opinion, officers fucked up.
What should have happened is the officers investigate the person suspected of pointing a firearm at someone.
That should have been done according to policy and that investigation should not involve the repo guy.

It looks like the officers used the repo guy to bait the vehicle owner.
I would fire all the officers involved.

That being said, we all know pointing a firearm at someone is justification to defend yourself until the threat is stopped.
I don't see any justification for the dead guy to point a firearm at anyone in this situation, his life wasn't in danger.

Beautiful it's the only way these cocksuckers will learn .

Repo man used police assistance illegally so he’s going to have a problem.

I’m going to give you the benefit of the doubt that your issue here is simply an IQ deficit and I shouldn’t take it personally.

Give me ONE good reason to take a repo truck driver into the yard to investigate an alleged ADW. Why would you do that?

On the advice of counsel, I prefer not to answer.

A lot here, would get pissed, if a repo guy kept coming by take a vehicle that may not have been in debt and would have displayed more threat by the end of the day.  Would anyone reasonably expect police to be hiding in the dark and then light him up when he upped his repo guy run off.  This is shameful.....those former police are murders and need the prison.

I didn't listen to the ossifers camera footage, so this is my guess.

An armed and dangerous suspect who is alleged to have already committed a violent felony is inside a house.  Knocking on the door knowing someone like that is inside can't be fun, and may even be considered a highly dangerous situation.  What are the protocols of that particular dept., or any dept for that matter?  Considering the report of an armed violent felony, probably the first thing they are going to do is put him in cuffs.  That won't be easy with him in his home.  And, how many other armed violent criminals are there in that home?  They start taking him down, and Homie Jamal comes up shooting....  

Allowing the repo man to try again in their presence, not only tests his story, but if his story is true, the violent criminal will repeat his offense in front of the ossifers, and they get a felony arrest.  If he comes out unarmed and wants to have a calm conversation, he proves the repo man a liar, and the charges are bogus.  In that case, the situation gets resolved and everyone goes home safe, including Perkins.  

I don't know police procedures, but in the era of "Go home safe, no matter who has to die" and criminally inclined mobs on the streets chanting about killing cops, I suspect that knocking on the door of an armed and violent criminal isn't the best way of arresting him or even interviewing him.  SWAT stuff.  Go home safe.

I'm betting the cops thought they would have a chance to take him down.  Get him outside, subdue and disarm him, have a conversation.  I really doubt they expected him to run out there like he did and start threatening people, requiring immediate lethal action.  Which means they aren't racist, and expected better of him.  It's a crappy situation, but once again proves, if you lose your head and start acting like a fool brandishing a firearm, you can die.

Well...... now I would.

I made the point in the WML thread that if you go outside pointing your weapon around to light things up, you might be lighting a cop who just chased a perp into your back yard.  It's really not that much of a stretch to expect police, especially considering he already threatened the repo man.  

Would anyone reasonably expect that the repo man would return and try again, without protection or backup?

And what happens when the repo man returns with a 12gauge shotgun, after having reported the original felony, and shoots him down like a dog when he first sees the pistol?

Wow you really have a hard on for the deceased.  

Gonna go with an above average chance you are one of the officers involved.

That explanation was all stupid. They aren’t going to risk the life of a repo guy to bait a guy into committing another felony. Plainly they went to seize the vehicle and protect the driver instead of investigating the reported crime. It was stupid and now they are fired and one is charged and my guess is the pay out on this one will be mid seven figures in the end.

Nah he’s just a racist.

No reason both can't be valid.

It took that wall of text for you to work your way up to saying you're glad a black man is dead.

Bravo.

Lol ok.

But SENDING A TOW TRUCK DRIVER IN AS A DECOY TO TAKE THAT FIRE IS A MUCH GOODER TACTICAL MOVE amirite?

Your entire fucking weak assed argument is undermined by the fact they hid and sent an already 'victimized' guy in to take that fire you worry about.

Probably.  Just saying people that don't think paid off stuff gets taken would be incorrect.

Eh, stupid games stupid prizes.

He is just trolling, don’t take the bait.

Pretty sure lots of tow truck drivers work for chop shops.