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Posted: 4/14/2024 12:41:22 AM EDT
My trainer has 5. Lol. He gotta pump those numbers up. https://youtu.be/0RvRESjM2jw?si=9605u3qEs4MSOtgT |
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Posted: 4/14/2024 12:41:45 AM EDT
[#1]
 Some people make it complicated |
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Posted: 4/14/2024 12:45:24 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Red_Label]
[#2]
I liked his "wut?" comment about the occular tracking comment (and agree).
 Talk about overcomplicating shit. |
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Posted: 4/14/2024 12:47:33 AM EDT
[#3]
His business strategy seems to be “ baffle them with bullshit”. Guy makes everything sound exponentially more complicated than it has to be.
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TN, USA
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Posted: 4/14/2024 12:49:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RePp: His business strategy seems to be “ baffle them with bullshit”. Guy makes everything sound exponentially more complicated than it has to be. Brah? Do you even lift? |
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Posted: 4/14/2024 1:33:35 AM EDT
[#5]
Where's that meme about guntuber BS?
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Posted: 4/14/2024 1:40:55 AM EDT
[#6]
At some point I wish all these guys would shoot in some big matches so we can really see which “systems” prevail.
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Posted: 4/14/2024 1:50:39 AM EDT
[#7]
But can he chug?
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NM, USA
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Posted: 4/14/2024 1:53:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ALASKANFIRE: At some point I wish all these guys would shoot in some big matches so we can really see which "systems" prevail. He might be an ass, but he is a skilled ass who can convey information in a simple to understand manner. |
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Posted: 4/14/2024 1:58:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HDLS: But can he chug? Hell, I can't. It's a straight up 30 minutes for me, no matter how I try to cut it. Is this because I don't have 3 ocular scientists on staff? I used to have a bona fide statistician on staff. Used to. Thank God. |
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Posted: 4/14/2024 2:02:51 AM EDT
[#10]
Way to stay politically correct Ben. We know exactly what you mean by "disagree". As always, keep up the good work Ben.
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Posted: 4/14/2024 7:30:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HDLS: But can he chug? This is the most important question. |
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Posted: 4/14/2024 7:34:22 AM EDT
[#12]
What is an occular scientist?...
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OH, USA
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Posted: 4/14/2024 7:36:18 AM EDT
[#13]
I lost all respect for the man when he came out with his Banana speech video.
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MN, USA
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Posted: 4/14/2024 7:42:07 AM EDT
[Last Edit: EconProf]
[#14]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Wolfstone: I lost all respect for the man when he came out with his Banana speech video. I’m still waiting on his 96 hours to finish Edit: it has actually been more than 96 days since he made the claim |
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Posted: 4/14/2024 8:10:42 AM EDT
[Last Edit: FG24U]
[#15]
There was a video of a zoom call during SHOT where Ben straight up laughed at him about it. Travis went on to explain how he’s so knowledgeable because he was married to a doctor. Ben said something about not knowing knowledge was sexually transmitted. The confused look on Haley’s face was priceless. Good for a laugh.
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IN, USA
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Posted: 4/14/2024 8:10:48 AM EDT
[Last Edit: sporter]
[#16]
Ben all day.
"3 occular scientists on staff" lmfao.....is this a fucking joke? |
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Posted: 4/14/2024 8:17:01 AM EDT
[#17]
Travis gets major creds for serving and killing lots of dudes and shit.
But man he loves himself. |
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Posted: 4/14/2024 8:21:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Wolfstone: I lost all respect for the man when he came out with his Banana speech video. I missed this. What was the banana speech? |
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Posted: 4/14/2024 9:27:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By EconProf: I’m still waiting on his 96 hours to finish Edit: it has actually been more than 96 days since he made the claim Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By EconProf: Originally Posted By Wolfstone: I lost all respect for the man when he came out with his Banana speech video. I’m still waiting on his 96 hours to finish Edit: it has actually been more than 96 days since he made the claim What are guys talking about? |
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AL, USA
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Posted: 4/14/2024 9:29:36 AM EDT
[#20]
Is Mac the head of his staff?
 Always Sunny: Ocular Pat Downs |
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NT, USA
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Posted: 4/14/2024 9:30:58 AM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Wespe: What are guys talking about? |
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Posted: 4/14/2024 9:35:04 AM EDT
[Last Edit: ServusVeritatis]
[#22]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RePp: His business strategy seems to be “ baffle them with bullshit”. Guy makes everything sound exponentially more complicated than it has to be. Jerry Miculek is like “What the hell is this metro sexual talking about? Aye-oh!” |
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Posted: 4/14/2024 9:40:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TechOps: He claimed intel on doomer thing going down in 96 hours. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TechOps: Originally Posted By Wespe: What are guys talking about? Oh yeah, I forgot about that one, something to do with Israel and Hamas after the Oct. 7 attacks iirc. Still unclear about what the banana speech is and why it’s bad though 
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Posted: 4/14/2024 10:08:10 AM EDT
[#24]
Not cool to throw shade on Garand Thumb’s dad
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USA
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Posted: 4/14/2024 10:16:59 AM EDT
[Last Edit: JimEN]
[#25]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FG24U: There was a video of a zoom call during SHOT where Ben straight up laughed at him about it. Travis went on to explain how he's so knowledgeable because he was married to a doctor. Ben said something about not knowing knowledge was sexually transmitted. The confused look on Haley's face was priceless. Good for a laugh. Is Ben the first guy to call him out on his bullshit? I have no doubt Hailey is a physical stud and a phenomenal gunfighter but he seems to talk like he thinks he's way smarter than he actually is. |
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USA
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Posted: 4/14/2024 10:26:19 AM EDT
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Check out the recent interview he did with John Lovell (warrior poet society) on youtube. Haley has went deep down the performance training rabbit hole. His view is that gunfights are the most complicated event he's ever been a part of. I don't know how much value that has as a regular guy on the streets, but it was a better articulation of where he's coming from than I've seen him give before.
Personally, I think there is value in having schools with differing approaches. |
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Posted: 4/14/2024 10:31:07 AM EDT
[#27]
I’ve taken a few of his classes. I learned a lot and improved quite a bit. He was helpful and seemed to care. I was the least experienced in our training classes and he spent extra time with me to make sure I learned and understood.
Seems like this community just likes to tear people down and eat its own. It’s really disappointing. |
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USA
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Posted: 4/14/2024 10:34:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By testosteroneOD: I’ve taken a few of his classes. I learned a lot and improved quite a bit. He was helpful and seemed to care. I was the least experienced in our training classes and he spent extra time with me to make sure I learned and understood. Seems like this community just likes to tear people down and eat its own. It’s really disappointing. I would train with him for sure. Agree with your last point 100%. |
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Posted: 4/14/2024 10:36:26 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Glck1911]
[#29]
I think most of these famous/popular/celebrity type trainers just make shit up to differentiate themselves.
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Posted: 4/14/2024 10:40:42 AM EDT
[#30]
Sounds like he’s doing research to make adjustments to his training and gear so it’s more usable.
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Posted: 4/14/2024 10:41:07 AM EDT
[Last Edit: ak4784]
[#31]
Ben might be right about Haley over complicating training but Ben is such a douche canoe that I can’t watch or listen to him.
Plus competition shooting is slightly gay 
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Posted: 4/14/2024 10:41:40 AM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By testosteroneOD: I've taken a few of his classes. I learned a lot and improved quite a bit. He was helpful and seemed to care. I was the least experienced in our training classes and he spent extra time with me to make sure I learned and understood. Seems like this community just likes to tear people down and eat its own. It's really disappointing. |
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Posted: 4/14/2024 10:41:54 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Glck1911: I think most of these famous/popular/celebrity type trainers just make shit up to differentiate themselves. Exactly. |
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Posted: 4/14/2024 10:42:49 AM EDT
[Last Edit: -Ascent-]
[#34]
I think there’s more to what Travis is looking at than the task of just shooting.
As he said in the interview shooting is the easy part. It’s the decision making, how mental/physical stress are introduced and its effects on the body/brain. It’s just like Olympic training centers monitoring and adjusting training routines based on based on the effects of the body and mind. |
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Posted: 4/14/2024 10:44:52 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Advance]
[#35]
Lucas' comment was lol worthy (even though he probably shouldn't have inserted himself into the conversation).
 Attached FileOriginal @BenStoeger IG post: https://www.instagram.com/p/C5odIN1PNzZ/ |
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Posted: 4/14/2024 10:45:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SV650Squid: In any case, Stoeger is an actual world champion. He might be an ass, but he is a skilled ass who can convey information in a simple to understand manner. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SV650Squid: Originally Posted By ALASKANFIRE: At some point I wish all these guys would shoot in some big matches so we can really see which "systems" prevail. He might be an ass, but he is a skilled ass who can convey information in a simple to understand manner. How many gunfights has he survived? Has he ever served to see if his methods are effective on a two way range? |
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WI, USA
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Posted: 4/14/2024 10:49:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By -Ascent-: I think there’s more to what Travis is looking at than the task of just shooting. As he said in the interview shooting is the easy part. It’s the decision making, how mental/physical stress are introduced and its effects on the body/brain. It’s just like Olympic training centers monitoring and adjusting training routines based on based on the effects of the body and mind. There really isn’t more to it. And the OTC doesn’t do that |
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Posted: 4/14/2024 10:51:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Advance: Lucas' comment was lol worthy (even though he probably shouldn't have inserted himself into the conversation). https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/309598/Screenshot_2024-04-14_104340_png-3187645.JPG Travis is paying it, not Lucas or any of us, so what does it matter? Not only that, if he learns anything of usefulness, someone will copy it soon and it’ll be disseminated pretty fast. But someone’s got to do the research. Teaching isn’t just telling people things you’ve picked up over the years. |
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Posted: 4/14/2024 10:53:33 AM EDT
[Last Edit: NCPatrolAR]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RePp: His business strategy seems to be “ baffle them with bullshit”. Guy makes everything sound exponentially more complicated than it has to be. Hard to believe he was going to teach for Pincus at one point........just shows that the dragonfly is a padawan in science BS compared to the Penis. |
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Posted: 4/14/2024 10:54:07 AM EDT
[Last Edit: -Ascent-]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mban2: There really isn’t more to it. And the OTC doesn’t do that Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mban2: Originally Posted By -Ascent-: I think there’s more to what Travis is looking at than the task of just shooting. As he said in the interview shooting is the easy part. It’s the decision making, how mental/physical stress are introduced and its effects on the body/brain. It’s just like Olympic training centers monitoring and adjusting training routines based on based on the effects of the body and mind. There really isn’t more to it. And the OTC doesn’t do that Collecting data and analyzing it is something he is doing. The data he is collecting is to adjust training and gear. Not that the training course is teaching that specific stuff except for maybe a small explanation of what is happening to you in a high stress situation. Edit when I was stationed at FT Carson. We worked with Olympic trainers on weight lifting and running. They opening talked about collecting data to facilitate better training. |
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WI, USA
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Posted: 4/14/2024 10:55:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By StevenH: How many gunfights has he survived? Has he ever served to see if his methods are effective on a two way range? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By StevenH: Originally Posted By SV650Squid: Originally Posted By ALASKANFIRE: At some point I wish all these guys would shoot in some big matches so we can really see which "systems" prevail. He might be an ass, but he is a skilled ass who can convey information in a simple to understand manner. How many gunfights has he survived? Has he ever served to see if his methods are effective on a two way range? Considering Ben teaches the organization with the most combat experience in the world… I would say he knows what they need to know regarding getting hits on target fast |
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Posted: 4/14/2024 10:56:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By testosteroneOD: I’ve taken a few of his classes. I learned a lot and improved quite a bit. He was helpful and seemed to care. I was the least experienced in our training classes and he spent extra time with me to make sure I learned and understood. Seems like this community just likes to tear people down and eat its own. It’s really disappointing. Travis has more than earned the flak people give him. |
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Posted: 4/14/2024 10:56:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By StevenH: How many gunfights has he survived? Has he ever served to see if his methods are effective on a two way range? If the number of gunfights under your belt was a metric for determining your skill as a shooter, I'd happily accept training from a large number of instructors that far beneath that bar. I like TH, I think he is a fine American and I would attend one of his classes but how many CQB pistol fights has he been in? A great deal of his fame is from the "turkey shoot", in which the nickname alone should tell you a great deal about what the professional community thought of it. |
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Posted: 4/14/2024 11:00:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Glck1911: I think most of these famous/popular/celebrity type trainers just make shit up to differentiate themselves. They kinda have to. Why spend triple to train with them instead of someone local? Clients need to be able to answer that. |
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USA
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Posted: 4/14/2024 11:03:05 AM EDT
[#45]
Have Travis call me.
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Posted: 4/14/2024 11:03:07 AM EDT
[Last Edit: GutWrench]
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By -Ascent-: I think there’s more to what Travis is looking at than the task of just shooting. As he said in the interview shooting is the easy part. It’s the decision making, how mental/physical stress are introduced and its effects on the body/brain. It’s just like Olympic training centers monitoring and adjusting training routines based on based on the effects of the body and mind. This. You can run and gun on paper all day, everyday. But mindset/knowledge is still the glue that holds it all together. Edit: physical fitness and mental fitness is also in there. |
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USA
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Posted: 4/14/2024 11:27:30 AM EDT
[Last Edit: BaconFat]
[#47]
LARP'ers and their instructors really deserve each other.
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TN, USA
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Posted: 4/14/2024 11:35:36 AM EDT
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From the YouTube comments
I just finished a 400 hour Haley ocular tracking test and now i can see the speed of bullets. Get rekt nerds!  
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Posted: 4/14/2024 11:36:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BaconFat: LARP'ers and their instructors really deserve each other. It is better to be a larper in a garden, than a gardener larping |
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Posted: 4/14/2024 11:37:43 AM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Aspida1776: From the YouTube comments 😆 |
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