Originally Posted By Thrasymachus:


Yes, parties are coalitions that are difficult to control.  To say that they are controlled by the opposing side shows an immense ignorance.

Originally Posted By Thrasymachus:


Hyperbole doesn't make your claims true.  Migration legal or illegal does not equate to an invasion.  Words have meanings, and doomer fallacies doesn't magically make something true.

Originally Posted By sitkashooter:


That’s been every war since wwII.

Originally Posted By nomansland:
There are several of you that are clearly on a different side than me on the issue of Ukraine funding.  I understand that people can have different opinions, but I want to point out some facts about MTG.

Here are the bills and ammendments she has authored in her time in the House: https://www.congress.gov/member/marjorie-greene/G000596?q=%7B%22sponsorship%22%3A%22sponsored%22%7D

In the 2021-22 session, she authored bills such as Protect America First, Gun Onwer Privacy Act, Second Amendment Preservation Act; but she has no similar 2nd ammendment or immigration legislation this year (there is one bill this session to name ANTIFA a terrorist organization).

In this session she seems to have focused on Ukraine with 9 ammendments to zero funding or somehow place limits on what can be provided to Ukraine.  The most telling to me is a failed ammendment to prevent DOD from sending cluster munitions to Ukraine in the Fall NDAA: https://www.congress.gov/amendment/118th-congress/house-amendment/243?s=4&r=39

Tying the hands of DOD to specifically NOT send cluster munitions is not concern about government spending, but specifically about helping Russia on the battlefield.

At this point I believe MTG is under the influence of Russia, whether she realizes it or not (it could be someone on her staff or close circle).

The balance of the majority of her legislation this year is to either impeach or set somones salary to zero (Lloyd Austin, Mayorkas, Amanda Bennett, Pete Buttigieg, Rachel Levine, Miguel Cardona).

She raised more money from California than Texas, and received significant money from Illinois and New York: https://www.opensecrets.org/members-of-congress/marjorie-taylor-greene/geography?cid=N00044701&cycle=2022  Over 90% of her funding comes from outside of her district.

Originally Posted By jb31:
Johnson comes out against Brandon Herrera tells me all I need to know about him.  Fuck Johnson.  She's right.

Originally Posted By Thrasymachus:




The same thing happens all over the world, and yet we magically don't call them invasion. Probably because people who some basic reasoning skills know what words mean.  Pretty shitty argument there sweetheart.

Originally Posted By Thrasymachus:


Holy shit.

Where have I cheered illegal immigration? Guess what what I haven't. Try keeping to the topic, and avoid making shit up. I know it's hard.

You are ignoring the difference between Russia's invasion and illegal migration, ie one is state sponsored and the other is not.

The we I'm referring to are people who don't emotional screech invasion and have some semblance of rationality.

Originally Posted By Former11BRAVO:


Hogwash.

Originally Posted By Thrasymachus:


Who is making false accusations here?  Try and show some character. Unlike you, I don't need to create a strawman in my head to rationalize my unsupported views.  But hey, you do you.

Your take isn't really relevant here, we are talking about terms that have commonly held meanings, that also have legal meanings.  What you think something means is irrelevant.  By your logic we should be at war with Canada, and every African country should be at war with each other.  All invasions are by nature state coordinated, since without a unifying goal for the "invaders" you have no corporate intent and are left with thousands of individual motivations.  

Immigration is a central issue in the election and polls show that.  Both parties have expressed desire to address the southern border, but differ on what should be done.  Imagining a fictitious dolt that is uncaring is just stupid.  Few people on this message board have expressed the desire to do nothing, but many more have the ability to have a nuanced opinion about foreign policy and boarder security.

Originally Posted By fadedsun:


Defending communism. Interesting line of logic for someone who claims and purports themselves to be anti-Socialist.

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/51435/banned_political_parties_ukraine_png-3194906.JPG

Zelenskyy has done what many here want to do in the USA-banned socialist and communist parties.

Why do you use the term "oppression parties"?



Such as what?




Closing FSB and GRU intel houses is not a crime.

Since we're on the subject, let's discuss this since you conveniently forgot to bring it up:

https://ugcc.ua/en/data/russian-occupation-authorities-ban-ugcc-activities-in-the-occupied-part-of-zaporizhzhia-region-793/#:~:text=The%20Russian%20occupation%20authorities%20issued,territory%20of%20the%20Zaporizhzhia%20region

The Russian occupation authorities issued an “order” to ban the activities of the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church, as well as the Knights of Columbus and Caritas organizations engaged in social service in the occupied territory of the Zaporizhzhia region. The “order” of the alleged head of the occupation military-civilian administration of Zaporizhzhia region, collaborator Yevhen Balytsky, was published on his official website.



Gonzalo Lira was arrested because he was filming and trying to expose Ukrainian defensive positions in Kharkiv. He was released on pre-trial house arrest.

He tried to run for the border to Hungary and was arrested and held again. Who knew that an overweight, 2 pack a day, "sex tourist", with chronic health problems was not going to live long under arrest conditions that would not be a problem for me or any healthy adult male?

When I went to Europe I was on my best behavior. I was polite and didn't go poking around Nato and European defensive establishments trying to get data for the enemy side.

I subsequently left and went home and came back multiple times as a friend and now family. Magic

Speaking of ol' Gonzalo...

@Dagoth-UR any comment on the American who was tortured, executed, and decapitated by Russian soldiers?

Disappearance and death
According to the local Russian police and his wife, Bentley went missing on April 8, 2024. On April 12, 2024, Russian media reported that he was missing in Donetsk. The Vostok Battalion confirmed his death on April 19, 2024, via social media. According to information that appeared on social networks after his death, Bentley was detained by men in military uniform soldiers of the 5th Tank Brigade from Buryatia) while filming the aftermath of a Ukrainian bomb attack on a military unit, being mistaken for a spy, after which he was tortured and killed. Alexander Khodakovsky, one of the leaders of the self-proclaimed DPR, demanded in his telegram channel that “those who killed Russell Bentley” be punished, but they quickly deleted their message.

Why no cries for justice for him? He's an American citizen! There should be hell to pay, right? An American was tortured by Russian soldiers.






https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/51435/russian_soldiers_seizing_weapons_3_png-3194924.JPG

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/51435/russian_soldiers_seizing_weapons_2_png-3194925.JPG

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/51435/russian_soldiers_seizing_weapons_1_png-3194926.JPG

These are Russian soldiers seizing weapons from Ukrainian civilians. The Ukrainian government isn't taking guns from them. The Russians are.

When you use the term "special military operation" you out yourself. That is a term only those who are pro-Russian use. Nobody in the sea of people known as Arfcom use that except people in the Z brigade.



You have to enlist in the RuAF. After all, you push pro-Russian talking points. All of them and even type using phrases that scream "I am not a native speaker. Hello fellow American gun owner".



Why do I get major Russian accents in my head when I read your posts?

This is not an American phrase. An American would say "If you feel so strongly why haven't you..." not "You feel so strong, why haven't you.."

The punctuation and grammar is as the new kids say "Sus AF".

@carmelbythese

Sigh...

Originally Posted By Dagoth-Ur:


By your logic home invasions are not real invasions.

Nope, both parties my ass, half of one party wants to restore America and half of said party and the entire of the other want no borders at all.

Originally Posted By Former11BRAVO:


You're exactly right, of course.

But, please, allow me to introduce you to a primer for understanding why "we" do what we do. This is the single most informative Tweet I've ever read. I'd never heard of "institutionalized democracy", but it's exactly what Trump seeks to end.

Please, read:

What does "Democracy" mean, as applied to our government?
…
They say, “If Trump is re-elected, he will end Democracy.”
Do you know why they are saying this?
What will Trump Do to 'end Democracy'?
…
From the knowledge I gained in recent months, I agree with them.

I finally…

— Bob loblaw (@Bob_Lob_Law99) March 29, 2024

Originally Posted By Thrasymachus:




Not at all, and that is a piss poor analogy.  There are specific laws dealing with property crime in the US.  This isn't hard.

If one party wants open borders then why have they been trying to pass legislation to deal with the border?  Just saying shit doesn't magically make it true.

Originally Posted By fadedsun:


@dagoth-ur

Originally Posted By skippycoop:
I can't believe that some of you believe:
1) Ukraine is a democracy
2) Ukraine Can defeat Russia without direct intervention by NATO
3) Continued support to the lost cause will change the end result.

We can fund the slaughter of more Russians (and more Ukrainians), but is this helpful?

Originally Posted By skippycoop:
I can't believe that some of you believe:
1) Ukraine is a democracy
2) Ukraine Can defeat Russia without direct intervention by NATO
3) Continued support to the lost cause will change the end result.

We can fund the slaughter of more Russians (and more Ukrainians), but is this helpful?

Originally Posted By Dagoth-Ur:


You will get my attention in the order it was received.