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Link Posted: 4/18/2024 10:00:13 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By R_S:


I'll post the CBO data from 2023 (again):

CBO Availability Rates of F-35s, by Age
https://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/images/full-reports/2023/58902-fig4_availability-age.png

Looks like availablity fell from 70% to ~45% in just five years.

Availability Rates of Air Force Fighters, by Age:
https://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/images/full-reports/2023/58902-fig6_availability-air-force2.png


https://www.cbo.gov/publication/58942

Yeah, it's born to be a hangar queen

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Originally Posted By R_S:


I'll post the CBO data from 2023 (again):

CBO Availability Rates of F-35s, by Age
https://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/images/full-reports/2023/58902-fig4_availability-age.png

Looks like availablity fell from 70% to ~45% in just five years.

Availability Rates of Air Force Fighters, by Age:
https://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/images/full-reports/2023/58902-fig6_availability-air-force2.png


https://www.cbo.gov/publication/58942

Yeah, it's born to be a hangar queen



Did you actually read the publication?  Let me quote you the money paragraphs


As in its earlier analysis, for each F-35 variant, CBO estimated  the relationships between aircraft’s age (measured in months since the aircraft commenced operation) and their availability and use.The resulting best-fit curves, below, show smoothed portrayals of the observed relationships. CBO used a flexible functional form (including squared and cubed terms) that allowed estimated rates to increase or decrease with the aircraft’s age.

In its earlier analysis, to reduce the potential for unrepresentative results and other problems associated with small sample sizes, CBO generally analyzed aircraft only at ages (in years) at which at least 70 percent of the fleet had been observed. However, the youth of the F-35 fleet precluded the use of such a stringent standard. Instead, for F-35s, CBO constrained its analysis to ages at which at least 30 percent of the fleet had been observed. Using that relaxed constraint, CBO was able to estimate five-year aging curves for F-35As and six-year aging curves for F-35Bs and F-35Cs.


The bolded lines stress the key take away, but both paragraphs are important for context. The report isn't telling us about the actual availability rate of the F-35 but the CBOs guessing at what the availability of the aircraft will be since the fleet is so damn young  
more than half of the 532 F-35s in DoD’s possession had operated for less than four full years.
Its based of looking at a small sample of the fleet (30%) which 1/3rd of that consists of prototype and developmental aircraft.
Link Posted: 4/18/2024 11:13:56 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By iwouldntknow:

A single engine naval dog fighter is a travesty. We've never done that before, for good reason.
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Nope never done that before, except for the F9F, F-9, F-11, F-8, F4D, FJ-2/3, (A-4, and A-7 were great single engine attack jets)  I'm probably missing a couple.
My favorite of these is the last gunfighter.
Attachment Attached File


ETA...  Damn, someone already jumped all over the correction.
Link Posted: 4/18/2024 11:54:07 PM EDT
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Those Crusaders really were pretty.

Too bad they were so fucking dangerous around the carrier. But I suppose these things happen.
Link Posted: 4/19/2024 12:10:21 AM EDT
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Not speaking specifically to Lockheed or any particular aircraft.

Generally.. all the aircraft get designed and then have mods and additions over the years, decades... that add more and more and more and more avionics and electronic gadgets secret tech spy shit, navigation, kitchen sink, etc.. and it gets overloaded.

Then they need to upgrade engines, modify the shit out of the airframe etc.. etc.. etc.. Look at some of these helicopters the mil uses.
Look at the first year productions decades ago and look at the latest version.. they look extremely different and the later version are bulked out.
Link Posted: 4/19/2024 12:30:31 AM EDT
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Dont look now but the planes that can't fly are bombing Iran, outside of their combat radius. Or maybe they can and this was all political theater. IWK
Link Posted: 4/19/2024 12:41:26 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By KaerMorhenResident:
Lockheed Martin like Boeing and so many other modern manufacturers have overrelied on subcontractors and created an overly complicated web of production that is causing them deep issues.  

Ray Charles could have seen this coming, but somehow modern Western society rewards mediocre jackasses with higher and higher positions both within the private and public sector.
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I see this daily.
Link Posted: 4/19/2024 1:01:03 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By mooreshawnm:

I see this daily.
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Originally Posted By KaerMorhenResident:
Lockheed Martin like Boeing and so many other modern manufacturers have overrelied on subcontractors and created an overly complicated web of production that is causing them deep issues.  

Ray Charles could have seen this coming, but somehow modern Western society rewards mediocre jackasses with higher and higher positions both within the private and public sector.

I see this daily.


Fairly easy for psychopaths to climb their way up the corporate ladder. Just say the right things, grease the right palms and perhaps sabotage the occasional rival and the world is yours.

Murder Drones (2021) - J Death


Or not. Psychopaths do have a habit of being somewhat shortsighted.
Link Posted: 4/19/2024 2:16:02 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By KaerMorhenResident:
Lockheed Martin like Boeing and so many other modern manufacturers have overrelied on subcontractors and created an overly complicated web of production that is causing them deep issues.  

Ray Charles could have seen this coming, but somehow modern Western society rewards mediocre jackasses with higher and higher positions both within the private and public sector.
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"Ray Charles could have seen this coming, but somehow modern Western society rewards mediocre jackasses with higher and higher positions both within the private and public sector."

It is not somehow.  Less than mediocre people in higher and higher positions, everywhere in private and public sectors, is not spontaneous, not coincidence.  

Monkeywrenching is a tool the Left uses to destroy things.  The most effective monkeywrench attacks start with removing competent senior management and replacing it with incompetent people or people who will play along with the Left's attack.  These poison-pill replacements may be white or DEI, and male or female.  

It is safe to assume that management at all woke companies or government agencies fall into the poison-pill type.  Rewards can be substantial for being that guy, more so than for being a competent manager.

A big part of the job of a purposely incompetent manager is to remove competent people below them and replace them with incompetents.  DEI and HR are tools used to sabotage the management pyramid below the C-level.

It's not somehow.  It's not Western society.  It is the Left that is doing it with malice of forethought.  

Actions of the Left are forcing civilization to choose between having Leftists in our society and thus ending civilization or removing Leftists and preserving civilization.

Apox onem.  

Link Posted: Yesterday 2:55:33 PM EDT
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Gaetz -More than two-thirds of America’s F-35s can’t fly, and Secretary Lloyd Austin wants more of them

??\u200d?? FAIL: More Than Two-Thirds of America's F-35s CAN'T FLY!
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