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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:20:19 AM EDT
https://www.scienceopen.com/hosted-document?doi=10.14293/PR2199.000694.v2
Background. According to a widespread belief, the average IQ of university students is 115 to 130 IQ points, that is, substantially higher than the average IQ of the general population ( M = 100, SD =15). We traced the origin of this belief to obsolete intelligence data collected in 1940s and 1950s when university education was the privilege of a few. Examination of more recent IQ data indicate that IQ of university students and university graduates dropped to the average of the general population. The decline in students’ IQ is a necessary consequence of increasing educational attainment over the last 80 years. Today, graduating from university is more common than completing high school in the 1940s. Method. We conducted a meta-analysis of the mean IQ scores of college and university students samples tested with Wechsler Adult Intelligence Scale between 1939 and 2022. Results. The results show that the average IQ of undergraduate students today is a mere 102 IQ points and declined by approximately 0.2 IQ points per year. The students’ IQ also varies substantially across universities and is correlated with the selectivity of universities (measured by average SAT scores of admitted students). Discussion. These findings have wide-ranging implications. First, universities and professors need to realize that students are no longer extraordinary but merely average, and have to adjust curricula and academic standards. Second, employers can no longer rely on applicants with university degrees to be more capable or smarter than those without degrees. Third, students need to realize that acceptance into university is no longer an invitation to join an elite group. Fourth, the myth of brilliant undergraduate students in scientific and popular literature needs to be dispelled. Fifth, estimating premorbid IQ based on educational attainment is vastly inaccurate, obsolete, not evidence based, and mere wishful thinking. Sixth, obsolete IQ data or tests ought not to be used to make high-stakes decisions about individuals, for example, by clinical psychologists to opine about the intelligence and cognitive abilities of their clients.  https://www.scienceopen.com/document_file/5fb398f5-274e-4729-9754-48f2dcf6a977/ScienceOpenPreprint/StudentIQ-r501-NC.pdf And it was accepted by frontiers in science. But than ... takseis backsies happened, when the "right people" realized it was hurting the wrong people's feelings. https://www.bobuttl.net/2024/02/12/when-did-a-rejection-of-an-already-accepted-article-become-a-thing/ censoring peer-reviewed science in response to a mini mob of “several [secret] posts” on X (out of 2,600+ in this instance)
not seeking any input from authors when the mini mob of “several [secret] posts” on X is “flagged” for Frontiers keeping the mini mob of “several [secret] posts” on X secret from the authors (how does that enhance transparency in publishing?) fabricating issues with the paper by Chief Specialty Editor(s) (in this instance by Dr. Davelaar) to justify “rejection” of already accepted peer-reviewed paper and already published abstract of that paper (making the stuff up to censor science and disposal of censored scientists has been a hall mark of various dictatorial regimes such as a Union of Soviet Socialist Republics or USSR) doubling down and insisting that Chief Specialty Editor’s fabricated issues are in fact true issues (according to Frontiers communicators) Editors and Chief Specialty Editors not communicating with/not responding to authors about their decisions, keeping silent, and sending other workers to do communicating/responding (workers who have no understanding of the matters as they are not subject matters experts ) |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:23:49 AM EDT
[#1]
When I was in college back in the 80s I noticed that a lot of students thought they were smarter than they actually were.
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:24:46 AM EDT
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From the PDF of the paper:
The undergraduate students IQ differ across universities and fields College admission test scores, closely related to IQ scores, show that undergraduate students’ average intelligence varies hugely with at least two other factors. First, undergraduate students’ average intelligence varies hugely with the field of study. Figure 4 shows College Board average SAT ERW (Evidence-Based Reading and Writing) and Math scores for the 2021 high school graduates who took the SAT during high school by intended college major (College Board, 2021a). The overall ERW and Math means of SAT users were 533 (SD = 108) and 528 (SD =120), respectively (the two means are indicated by dotted lines). The figure shows that fields such as “Education” and “Public Administration and Social Services” are below the mean on both ERW and Math. In contrast, fields such as “Mathematics and Statistics” and “Physical Sciences” are approximately 1 SD (equivalent to about 15 IQ points) above the mean on both ERW and Math. Notably, College Board also provided SAT scores for Nationally Representative Sample (College Board, 2021b). The Nationally Representative Sample, that is, the sample of all high school students rather than only those who typically take the SAT, averaged 507 on ERW and 506 on Math (the two means are indicated by dashed lines), and 1010 on SAT Total. Using the Nationally Representative Sample, the difference between, for example, Education vs. Mathematic and Statistics, using the IQ scale, is over 16 IQ points (Education SAT Total 101.6 vs. Mathematic and Statistics SAT Total 117.9). |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:28:07 AM EDT
[#3]
Sounds racist.
Seriously though, not exactly a shocking conclusion when a larger percentage of the gen pop is pushed into college because that’s what you have to do to be “successful”. A watering down was inevitable. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:28:37 AM EDT
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I’m not sure why that would be shocking.
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:30:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Agilt: Sounds racist. Seriously though, not exactly a shocking conclusion when a larger percentage of the gen pop is pushed into college because that’s what you have to do to be “successful”. A watering down was inevitable. Bingo. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:30:27 AM EDT
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The decline in undergraduate students’ mean IQs is an inevitable consequence of profound changes in educational attainment in the USA and Canada since 1939, since the publication of the WBIS (Wechsler, 1939), detailed in the introduction. Whereas only a small portion of the population of Canada and the USA ever finished high school, and only a few percent ever made it to university in 1939, almost every adult today completed high school, 60 to 70% of the population have some college or university education, and approximately 40% of adults have university degrees in USA and Canada. Accordingly, whereas the Flynn Effect describes increases in mean intelligence of successive generations corresponding to approximately 0.3 IQ points per year, our findings demonstrate that undergraduate students’ mean IQ relative to general population have been declining approximately 0.2 IQ points per year, resulting in an absolute increase of only 0.1 IQ points per year for undergraduate student population. Translation: you told everyone to go to college. Everyone did. That made college function like high school! Grandpa could have told you this 40+ years ago.  Our findings have several far-reaching implications. First, professors today are no longer teaching students with mostly above-average IQs as they did in the 1950. Instead, they are teaching students with mean IQs no different from 100, that is, the mean IQs of the general population. Furthermore, professors are also teaching students with a much wider range of abilities, specifically, IQs ranging from below 70 to above 130. In the 1950s, when the average undergraduate students’ IQ was 115 to 120, only a relatively small proportion of undergraduate students had IQs below 100, whereas today, nearly half of undergraduate students have IQs below 100 -- the population mean. In turn, professors have been forced to reduce material covered, reduce academic standards, reduce students’ workload, and inflate grades, degrading the value of undergraduate education (Uttl, 2023a). Witness the increased prevalence of remedial classes in *college/university.* |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:31:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fike: I’m not sure why that would be shocking. It's not. This is a case of "WE TOLD YOU SO" and when someone finally went and look all the feelings are getting hurt. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:32:06 AM EDT
[#8]
If they don't understand averages, are they below average?
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:34:42 AM EDT
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Our findings validate the views of many university professors that students are less smart, less well prepared, and work less, but yet the students themselves believe that they are, in fact, very smart and deserve the very top grades (CTV.ca News Staff, 2009; Douglas, 2009; Frank, 2022; Greenberger et al., 2008; Keener, 2020). University professors’ beliefs are also well supported in the literature. For example, students admit to studying far less than university calendars expect of them. Whereas students used to study 2-3 hours outside of the class time for each hour of class time back in 1950s, today, by their own account, students study only about one hour outside of the class time for each hour of class time (Babcock & Marks, 2010; Fosnacht et al., 2018; Uttl, 2023a). Yet, if university grades reflect how smart students are, students are told by their professors that they are extraordinarily smart, smarter than students in the 1950s, since most awarded grades today are As... 
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:35:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FlashMan-7k: It's not. This is a case of "WE TOLD YOU SO" and when someone finally went and look all the feelings are getting hurt. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FlashMan-7k: Originally Posted By fike: I’m not sure why that would be shocking. It's not. This is a case of "WE TOLD YOU SO" and when someone finally went and look all the feelings are getting hurt. Where are feelings getting hurt? |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:36:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FlashMan-7k: From the PDF of the paper: "The fields that require greater intelligence have more intelligent people in them." Glad they got that worked out 
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:37:01 AM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fike: Where are feelings getting hurt? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fike: Originally Posted By FlashMan-7k: Originally Posted By fike: I’m not sure why that would be shocking. It's not. This is a case of "WE TOLD YOU SO" and when someone finally went and look all the feelings are getting hurt. Where are feelings getting hurt? On twitter, mostly. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:37:48 AM EDT
[#13]
Shitty high-school level courses vs real science/math courses weed the wheat from the chaff.
Organic chem Gross human anatomy Corporate finance These classes were basically the "great barrier" for the majors I have been involved with. Getting a C is basically was a no-go for further academic study in the fields. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:40:44 AM EDT
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I don't know if it's possible to fairly compare IQ scores from the 40's and 50's to today. The tests have evolved and differ too greatly. More is known about intelligence today than what was known then. I think intelligence has been pretty consistent over time.
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:42:42 AM EDT
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The students’ IQ also varies substantially across universities and is correlated with the selectivity of universities (measured by average SAT scores of admitted students). i read the article. QUALITY schools and QUALITY degrees matter. There IS a difference. but yes -- the argument 'send everyone to college' has serious flaws. but we have known that for a long time. the only people really pushing that anymore are people in education -- imagine that... |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:44:59 AM EDT
[Last Edit: buck19delta]
[#16]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By McGuy: When I was in college back in the 80s I noticed that a lot of students thought they were smarter than they actually were. That goes for college graduates too, mistakenly believing their random, often worthless feel good degree somehow makes them superior. Having a random degree doesn’t make someone smarter than everyone else in society without a degree, yet that’s exactly how many behave, as if that gender studies / whatever degree somehow video game bonuses their intelligence 100x and now they comprehend the mysteries of the universe and everyone else is a poo flinging monkey by comparison. When in reality in many cases it’s the total opposite where many college graduates are actually viewed as idiots by non college graduates for their racking up massive college debt for a worthless degree that can’t pay basic bills , requiring said graduates to live with mommy while working Starbucks jobs, / Uber jobs, while a high school kid who became a manual laboring plumber / electrician etc actually made much better choices in comparison career wise. Yet that worthless degree , still living with mommy college grad smugly views themselves intellectually far, far superior to the lowly, manual labor blue collar, comfortable living, all bills paid plumber / electrician/ manual labor worker. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:45:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FlashMan-7k: It's not. This is a case of "WE TOLD YOU SO" and when someone finally went and look all the feelings are getting hurt. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FlashMan-7k: Originally Posted By fike: I’m not sure why that would be shocking. It's not. This is a case of "WE TOLD YOU SO" and when someone finally went and look all the feelings are getting hurt. Everything about it is common sense. No part is surprising or controversial. The people pushing for free universal college would agree and welcome all of it. Are you sure You aren’t the one who’s butt-hurt? What college did you go to? What degree? |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:46:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By McGuy: When I was in college back in the 80s I noticed that a lot of students thought they were smarter than they actually were. This just describes people in general. Everyone likes to think they’re a genius. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:47:23 AM EDT
[#19]
Maybe “nearly” average.
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:47:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By buck19delta: That goes for college graduates too. Having a random degree doesn’t make someone smarter than everyone else in society without a degree, yet that’s exactly how many behave, as if that gender studies / whatever degree somehow video game bonuses their intelligence 100x and now they comprehend the mysteries of the universe and everyone else is a poo flinging monkey by comparison. When in reality the opposite where many college graduates are actually viewed as idiots by non college graduates for their racking up massive college debt for a worthless degree that can’t pay basic bills requiring Starbucks / Uber jobs, while a high school kid who became a plumber / electrician etc not made much better choices in comparison. Yet that worthless degree , still living with mommy college grad smugly views themselves intellectually far, far superior to the lowly, manual labor blue collar, comfortable living, all bills paid plumber / electrician/ manual labor worker. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By buck19delta: Originally Posted By McGuy: When I was in college back in the 80s I noticed that a lot of students thought they were smarter than they actually were. That goes for college graduates too. Having a random degree doesn’t make someone smarter than everyone else in society without a degree, yet that’s exactly how many behave, as if that gender studies / whatever degree somehow video game bonuses their intelligence 100x and now they comprehend the mysteries of the universe and everyone else is a poo flinging monkey by comparison. When in reality the opposite where many college graduates are actually viewed as idiots by non college graduates for their racking up massive college debt for a worthless degree that can’t pay basic bills requiring Starbucks / Uber jobs, while a high school kid who became a plumber / electrician etc not made much better choices in comparison. Yet that worthless degree , still living with mommy college grad smugly views themselves intellectually far, far superior to the lowly, manual labor blue collar, comfortable living, all bills paid plumber / electrician/ manual labor worker. Everybody thinks they are smarter than they actually are. GD proves this. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:49:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By McGuy: When I was in college back in the 80s I noticed that a lot of students thought they were smarter than they actually were. Fortunately, GD is immune to this
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:50:46 AM EDT
[#22]
A lot of the stupidist people I deal with are college graduates. Many of them Doctors.
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:51:25 AM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FlashMan-7k: From the PDF of the paper: Wait, so gender studies, basket weaving, and "art" are not intelectually challenging and have lower IQ students, vs physical sciences??  |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:53:17 AM EDT
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The problem with egalitarianism is that it's inevitably "send all kids to college" and not "increase the competency of high school graduates so that more can attend college."
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:55:29 AM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By McGuy: When I was in college back in the 80s I noticed that a lot of students thought they were smarter than they actually were. Dunning–Kruger was a thing before it was labeled. Some folks just don't know how ignorant they really are. They think they are on the right of the Bell curve, but in reality they are the clapper. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:55:58 AM EDT
[Last Edit: buck19delta]
[#26]
I have zero doubt that % wise freshman college students 50 years ago were likely much smarter than current college freshmen % wise, and that goes for the graduates especially so, because back then going to college meant you were in a top % of high school students and it took solid scores based in reality to get into college, and colleges didn’t graduate poorly performing students based on diversity reasons either.
These days high schools pass dumbass kids purely to gain federal money in many cases, there are entire graduating classes that can barely read, or can’t do basic math, and some of those same kids accepted into colleges, they excuse bad performance based on diversity and colleges place priority on getting diversity numbers which requires denying better / smarter / higher scoring non minority students, while admitting poorly performing diversity students, to get the numbers they want. In short, there isn’t enough smart diversity candidates to go around to fill all these jobs in private corporations , military, government jobs, universities, etc so to get the % they want they end up taking whoever applies no matter how badly performing they are, and they endure they succeed any way possible , lowering scores, excusing failure, etc via wearing diversity blinders. That’s a recipie for success. It explains the sudden flood of unqualified females suddenly magically passing ranger school in droves, short time in service female ship captains crashing ships left and right, female soldiers being the youngest to gain xxx rank, getting promoted 10x faster than a white male counterpart of 30 years ago, who wouldn’t have been considered at all, ever, with those same scores / skills of many of the current “ wonder girl promotables “ and a huge reason services cannot meet recruiting goals, quality in every skilled job plummeting, because of hiring unqualified people, and bottom line, there’s simply not enough diversity to fill the ranks / the % required / demand. I guess the solution is simply importing tens of millions of illiterate third worlders so they can have enough diversity on hand to recruit from. Gonna be great. 
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:56:23 AM EDT
[Last Edit: buck19delta]
[#27]
Double tap
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:57:19 AM EDT
[Last Edit: buck19delta]
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Triple tap
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:58:33 AM EDT
[Last Edit: buck19delta]
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Quadruple Tap
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:59:28 AM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fike: Where are feelings getting hurt? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fike: Originally Posted By FlashMan-7k: Originally Posted By fike: I’m not sure why that would be shocking. It's not. This is a case of "WE TOLD YOU SO" and when someone finally went and look all the feelings are getting hurt. Where are feelings getting hurt? Did you read the OP? Not only is the link to it there, I even quoted what frontiers in science did to them for no good reason other than butthurt. They were accepted for publication and went up on the site and than FIS yanked the paper because of twitter cites that they didn't like. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 12:01:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By QueenDeNile: I don't know if it's possible to fairly compare IQ scores from the 40's and 50's to today. The tests have evolved and differ too greatly. More is known about intelligence today than what was known then. I think intelligence has been pretty consistent over time. Flynn effect ... the observation that the scores on the tests are going up over time. Etc. I posted it less because of IQ and more that it's funny to see people flipping out and trying to hide wrongthink that people in everyday life realize is true. Actively trying to protect their mental bubbles from the truth. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 12:02:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BillofRights: Everything about it is common sense. No part is surprising or controversial. The people pushing for free universal college would agree and welcome all of it. Are you sure You aren’t the one who’s butt-hurt? What college did you go to? What degree? Are we reading the same thread? I'm not butt hurt about it. *I think it's hilarious* |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 12:03:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fsjdw2: Wait, so gender studies, basket weaving, and "art" are not intelectually challenging and have lower IQ students, vs physical sciences?? BIGOT!
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Posted: 3/27/2024 12:07:56 PM EDT
[#34]
On the bright side, if college graduation is roughly equivalent to a 1940s high school graduation (big if), and the current college graduation rate is higher than HS graduation rates in the 1940s, we ostensibly have a more educated populace.
And yet, here we are. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 12:09:28 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FlashMan-7k: Flynn effect ... the observation that the scores on the tests are going up over time. Etc. I posted it less because of IQ and more that it's funny to see people flipping out and trying to hide wrongthink that people in everyday life realize is true. Actively trying to protect their mental bubbles from the truth. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FlashMan-7k: Originally Posted By QueenDeNile: I don't know if it's possible to fairly compare IQ scores from the 40's and 50's to today. The tests have evolved and differ too greatly. More is known about intelligence today than what was known then. I think intelligence has been pretty consistent over time. Flynn effect ... the observation that the scores on the tests are going up over time. Etc. I posted it less because of IQ and more that it's funny to see people flipping out and trying to hide wrongthink that people in everyday life realize is true. Actively trying to protect their mental bubbles from the truth. On Twitter/X? |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 12:11:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fike: I’m not sure why that would be shocking. I'm shocked. I mean who could predict filling the seats based on DEI and checkboxes over merit would turn out that way? |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 12:11:59 PM EDT
[#37]
We did this 3 months ago.
https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/Study-Current-university-students-are-as-dumb-as-you-think-they-are/5-2697911/ |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 12:14:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gator: I'm shocked. I mean who could predict filling the seats based on DEI and checkboxes over merit would turn out that way? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gator: Originally Posted By fike: I’m not sure why that would be shocking. I'm shocked. I mean who could predict filling the seats based on DEI and checkboxes over merit would turn out that way? Everybody gets a seat. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 12:15:29 PM EDT
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Intelligence is not necessarily a virtue, and it can certainly be a vice.
the important question is are people Good? Plato said it would be better for an intelligent person who lacks virtue to be UN-educated, otherwise you get an educated scoundrel who can do more evil. I think college nowadays produces a good many educated scoundrels |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 12:15:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fike: On Twitter/X? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fike: Originally Posted By FlashMan-7k: Originally Posted By QueenDeNile: I don't know if it's possible to fairly compare IQ scores from the 40's and 50's to today. The tests have evolved and differ too greatly. More is known about intelligence today than what was known then. I think intelligence has been pretty consistent over time. Flynn effect ... the observation that the scores on the tests are going up over time. Etc. I posted it less because of IQ and more that it's funny to see people flipping out and trying to hide wrongthink that people in everyday life realize is true. Actively trying to protect their mental bubbles from the truth. On Twitter/X? The people on FIS that pulled it haven't told the writers of the paper exactly which mean tweets they saw that caused them to pull the paper yet. https://www.bobuttl.net/2024/02/15/when-chief-editors-reviews-go-off-the-rails-frontiers-dr-eddy-davelaars-criticism-of-our-accepted-meta-analysis-and-our-detailed-response/ In short, they were told their title was meanie, the tone of the paper was mean, you weren't sensitive enough to people we thought you should have been, than the fool(s) showed he hadn't read the paper, you can't say anying about student's ability to think anyways, etc. For all the world it looks like the people pulled it because some people said some stuff on twitter that they didn't like. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 12:17:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MorningNapalm: We did this 3 months ago. https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/Study-Current-university-students-are-as-dumb-as-you-think-they-are/5-2697911/ Thanks for the link. I never saw that thread. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 12:18:51 PM EDT
[#42]
geniuses are running the country off the cliff so...there's that...
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Posted: 3/27/2024 12:19:06 PM EDT
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Think about how many majors today didn't even exist back then. College used to contribute to development of society. The proliferation of identity studies and social programs has created a whole population of "college" students and professors whose intellectual rigor can't approach the hard sciences.
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Posted: 3/27/2024 12:20:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Agilt: Sounds racist. Seriously though, not exactly a shocking conclusion when a larger percentage of the gen pop is pushed into college because that’s what you have to do to be “successful”. A watering down was inevitable. Colleges today give out Phds like M&Ms to convicts... |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 12:22:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MRW: Intelligence is not necessarily a virtue, and it can certainly be a vice. the important question is are people Good? Plato said it would be better for an intelligent person who lacks virtue to be UN-educated, otherwise you get an educated scoundrel who can do more evil. I think college nowadays produces a good many educated scoundrels Give this man a cigar. The tools in your toolbox may determine what you can do, but what you decide to do with them is far more important. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 12:24:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 9divdoc: geniuses are running the country off the cliff so...there's that... I wish we could get some real live boomers who lived through it to explain how the wunderkids who ran vietnam by bodycounts and numbers screwed things up... I suspect that'd be a perfect example. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 12:24:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FlashMan-7k: Flynn effect ... the observation that the scores on the tests are going up over time. Etc. I posted it less because of IQ and more that it's funny to see people flipping out and trying to hide wrongthink that people in everyday life realize is true. Actively trying to protect their mental bubbles from the truth. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FlashMan-7k: Originally Posted By QueenDeNile: I don't know if it's possible to fairly compare IQ scores from the 40's and 50's to today. The tests have evolved and differ too greatly. More is known about intelligence today than what was known then. I think intelligence has been pretty consistent over time. Flynn effect ... the observation that the scores on the tests are going up over time. Etc. I posted it less because of IQ and more that it's funny to see people flipping out and trying to hide wrongthink that people in everyday life realize is true. Actively trying to protect their mental bubbles from the truth. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 12:26:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MRW: Intelligence is not necessarily a virtue, and it can certainly be a vice. the important question is are people Good? Plato said it would be better for an intelligent person who lacks virtue to be UN-educated, otherwise you get an educated scoundrel who can do more evil. I think college nowadays produces a good many educated scoundrels |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 12:27:31 PM EDT
[#49]
Yes, selected editing but still.
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Posted: 3/27/2024 12:28:40 PM EDT
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Im always amazed at letters and grammar and knowledge of politics, laws , geography , history and so on coming from people a hundred or more years ago . They seemed so much more intelligent than people do today. Even writings by bandits and outlaws or some kid on the frontlines of some war or whatever. It is almost like poetry.
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