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Posted: 4/25/2024 12:23:12 AM EDT
Vote, as is your democratic right. It's extremely important
So there seems to be three schools of thought: 1) Accident, not everything is a conspiracy 2) Irish booma bill o'reilly theory that the commies poisoned him or some variation thereof 3) The OSS got orders to knock him off (either from communist infiltrators or from good old home grown lib politicians) So what happened with the poor man's assination conspiracy theory (JFK being the gold standard for blabbering about ofc) |
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Posted: 4/25/2024 12:25:47 AM EDT
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Plain ol' accident
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Posted: 4/25/2024 12:29:57 AM EDT
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I used to be sceptical about Patton's death, but now that will get me indicted here in AZ.
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Posted: 4/25/2024 12:33:48 AM EDT
[Last Edit: MikeJGA]
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A former member of the OSS made a death bed confession to participating in Patton's murder
He was making a remarkable recovery then suddenly died. The driver of the truck that hit his car, disappeared and was not on his supposed unit's morning reports.. |
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Posted: 4/25/2024 12:36:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MikeJGA: A former member of the OSS made a death bed confession to participating in Patton's murder. Lots of death bed confessions out there, problem is motive and proof, or proving either way. |
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USA
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Posted: 4/25/2024 12:38:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MikeJGA: A former member of the OSS made a death bed confession to participating in Patton's murder. I think deathbed confessions meants more in the early 20th century, before all the overhead cost/benefit calculations of modernity and profilicity Not saying I don't buy what people say while dying in recent decades, but it is different with the invention of the Video Camera |
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USA
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Posted: 4/25/2024 12:57:25 AM EDT
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Slightly surprised to see us gubmint leading
Some guys go 180 full retard, anything against bad man libruhl. They do deserve 87% of the hate, but it's not like liberalism didn't fix (at least for a time) some real issues But is this a not talked about thang? (I.e yeah he got merc"d to stablize the world order, plz don't forward) An open secret? |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 4/25/2024 1:04:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mah_lee: Slightly surprised to see us gubmint leading Some guys go 180 full retard, anything against bad man libruhl. They do deserve 87% of the hate, but it's not like liberalism didn't fix (at least for a time) some real issues But is this a not talked about thang? (I.e yeah he got merc"d to stablize the world order, plz don't forward) An open secret? LOL.... liberalism never fixed anything . It is the parasite that gave birth to the disease killing us now . |
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USA
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Posted: 4/25/2024 1:16:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gmtech: LOL.... liberalism never fixed anything . It is the parasite that gave birth to the disease killing us now . I agree in part and disagree in part No doubt it has totally wrecked broad streaks of functional society. In many ways. You can't deny certain victories though But back to the point, did libs/communists kill Patton and perhaps the rest of the old world off with him |
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Posted: 4/25/2024 1:41:21 AM EDT
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Blood and Guts
 It's best for me just be a spectator in this thread, I am supposed to re-up by tomorrow here and I would like that opportunity. |
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Posted: 4/25/2024 2:07:58 AM EDT
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My grandpa went to his funeral. Never said anything about any conspiracy. That's just nonsense.
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USA
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Posted: 4/25/2024 2:09:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cardplayer: Blood and Guts It's best for me just be a spectator in this thread, I am supposed to re-up by tomorrow here and I would like that opportunity. I've sprinted from sideline to sideline, old eyed mods checking to see if my foots been in, and coming down on the side of fair play, and have not been banned For all the bitching about arf moderation, ime, it has been 87% fair You got some insider Patton info?? |
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Posted: 4/25/2024 2:14:57 AM EDT
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Does it matter?
If someone found incontrovertible evidence that some filthy communists killed him. Either in the State Department or a foreign government, what would it be besides a historical curiosity that someone might make a movie about someday? Everyone involved would either be dead or quickly labeled by the current regime as "too old to prosecute." |
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Posted: 4/25/2024 2:18:56 AM EDT
[Last Edit: The_Master_Shake]
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Patton had some unorthodox views on both the Jews and the Germans that would make him "literally Hitler" if he lived today.
He also hated the Russians something fierce and wanted to push through from Berlin to Moscow. If he was killed by the Government they most likely saw him as both too Hawkish and too popular domestically. A guy like that wouldn't be in favor of winding things down |
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Posted: 4/25/2024 2:42:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hesperus: Does it matter? If someone found incontrovertible evidence that some filthy communists killed him. Either in the State Department or a foreign government, what would it be besides a historical curiosity that someone might make a movie about someday? Everyone involved would either be dead or quickly labeled by the current regime as "too old to prosecute." It would matter for the post ww2 moral order that people will go to bat for If they killed the anti communist to preserve decades of libtard policy that led us to where we are... well that draws some lines, even if nothing can be made of them |
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Posted: 4/25/2024 2:55:40 AM EDT
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He was murdered because the powers that be couldn’t control him. It’s a shame because I think he would’ve made the world a much better place by crushing communism and at it’s weakest time.
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Posted: 4/25/2024 3:18:14 AM EDT
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The U.S. should not have helped the commies in the first place. That was Great Britain's bitch to deal with. |
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USA
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Posted: 4/25/2024 3:25:38 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Rheinmetall792]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hesperus: Does it matter? If someone found incontrovertible evidence that some filthy communists killed him. Either in the State Department or a foreign government, what would it be besides a historical curiosity that someone might make a movie about someday? Everyone involved would either be dead or quickly labeled by the current regime as "too old to prosecute." The Truth matters and should be known. Likewise for JFK and RFK. All three were shut down by the Deep State. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 4/25/2024 3:35:39 AM EDT
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Patton discredited the Nuremberg Trial as a sham, rejected the Morgenthau Plan of reducing Germany's population by 40% through deindustrialization and starvation, diverged from the international narrative of WW2, openly disagreed with the foreign policy choice of the US government, sought a war against the largest allied power of the time, et cetera, and he probably would have ran against Truman in 1948.
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Posted: 4/25/2024 4:51:29 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/25/2024 5:21:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mah_lee: Slightly surprised to see us gubmint leading Some guys go 180 full retard, anything against bad man libruhl. They do deserve 87% of the hate, but it's not like liberalism didn't fix (at least for a time) some real issues But is this a not talked about thang? (I.e yeah he got merc"d to stablize the world order, plz don't forward) An open secret? |
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Posted: 4/25/2024 5:26:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Yeremyahu: Patton discredited the Nuremberg Trial as a sham, rejected the Morgenthau Plan of reducing Germany's population by 40% through deindustrialization and starvation, diverged from the international narrative of WW2, openly disagreed with the foreign policy choice of the US government, sought a war against the largest allied power of the time, et cetera, and he probably would have ran against Truman in 1948. Mostly this. He openly talked about reforming the wehrmacht, arming them with our ranks and then marching to Moscow. We had all the equipment there and such but it was not a popular idea. Not sure what happened to him but it isn’t hard fetched to think he got whacked. |
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Posted: 4/25/2024 5:42:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By The_Master_Shake:He also hated the Russians something fierce and wanted to push through from Berlin to Moscow. |
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Posted: 4/25/2024 6:56:08 AM EDT
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Didn’t he live for a while after the accident and say himself the truck driver was innocent?
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Posted: 4/25/2024 7:20:48 AM EDT
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People who think the US was even remotely in any position to possibly attack Soviet forces in Europe show that they know little to nothing about the actual military situation at the time.
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Posted: 4/25/2024 7:22:42 AM EDT
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I've been to where he died multiple times. You'll never convince me it wasn't an assassination. WHO ordered it is still the only question I have.
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Posted: 4/25/2024 7:24:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By The_Master_Shake: Patton had some unorthodox views on both the Jews and the Germans that would make him "literally Hitler" if he lived today. He also hated the Russians something fierce and wanted to push through from Berlin to Moscow. If he was killed by the Government they most likely saw him as both too Hawkish and too popular domestically. A guy like that wouldn't be in favor of winding things down So, a Neo-con? 
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Posted: 4/25/2024 7:42:30 AM EDT
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(it was a hit on orders from Eisenhower)
1. Patton wanted to crush the Russian threat while they were weak following WWII. 2. Eisenhower had political aspirations for the Presidency and knew that Patton did too. |
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Posted: 4/25/2024 7:52:42 AM EDT
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Someone wanted him dead and someone else was willing to let it happen.
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Posted: 4/25/2024 7:58:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 50cal: Plain ol' accident FPNI |
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MS, USA
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Posted: 4/25/2024 8:43:37 AM EDT
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Believe, what you will. I believe it was just an accident. But I do reccomend reading O'Reilly's book Killing Patton. You will learn a lot about Pattons juggernaut through WWII.
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Posted: 4/25/2024 8:49:00 AM EDT
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It was an accident.
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ME, USA
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Posted: 4/25/2024 8:50:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Karankawa: He was murdered because the powers that be couldn't control him. It's a shame because I think he would've made the world a much better place by crushing communism and at it's weakest time. |
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Posted: 4/25/2024 9:30:05 AM EDT
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Patton was politically inconvenient for the government. I'm sure we can all agree on that.
Patton was also VERY popular with his troops and the general public, in a time where a lot of his opinions were going to be in line with the concerns of the future. I think plenty of politicians may have fantasized about killing him. I also think any of them with any sense would have been terrified at the prospect of the reaction, should it come out that the government assassinated him. Also, the way in which he died was awfully random to be a reliable method of ridding themselves of Patton. |
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WI, USA
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Posted: 4/25/2024 10:28:06 AM EDT
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Why would the government go through the trouble to kill Patton and only fire MacArthur?
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Posted: 4/25/2024 10:32:58 AM EDT
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Twenty-five years ago I would say it was just an accident. As I grow older and wiser, I lean more towards assassination by our own government. My gut is that it was the communists who were in the OSS, soon to be CIA.
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Posted: 4/25/2024 11:53:28 AM EDT
[Last Edit: curiomatic]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tep0583: Patton was politically inconvenient for the government. I'm sure we can all agree on that. Patton was also VERY popular with his troops and the general public, in a time where a lot of his opinions were going to be in line with the concerns of the future. I think plenty of politicians may have fantasized about killing him. I also think any of them with any sense would have been terrified at the prospect of the reaction, should it come out that the government assassinated him. Also, the way in which he died was awfully random to be a reliable method of ridding themselves of Patton. In the moments and days after the "accident" he was more vulnerable. A serious injury or fatality was almost guaranteed back then, when an automobile collided with a large truck. "Killing Patton" is an interesting book. |
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Posted: 4/25/2024 11:56:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Boom_Stick: #Pattonwasright Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Boom_Stick: Originally Posted By The_Master_Shake:He also hated the Russians something fierce and wanted to push through from Berlin to Moscow. ayep |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 4/25/2024 11:59:12 AM EDT
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Check his diaries
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Posted: 4/25/2024 12:08:55 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9divdoc]
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Murdered by the usual suspects...
No way they were going to let him run for president either. |
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Posted: 4/25/2024 12:18:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tep0583: Patton was politically inconvenient for the government. I'm sure we can all agree on that. Patton was also VERY popular with his troops and the general public, in a time where a lot of his opinions were going to be in line with the concerns of the future. I think plenty of politicians may have fantasized about killing him. I also think any of them with any sense would have been terrified at the prospect of the reaction, should it come out that the government assassinated him. Also, the way in which he died was awfully random to be a reliable method of ridding themselves of Patton. The truck hitting his car did not kill him. It put him in the hospital where he was murdered several days later. |
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Posted: 4/25/2024 12:20:35 PM EDT
[Last Edit: MikeJGA]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gatetraveller: Why would the government go through the trouble to kill Patton and only fire MacArthur? Despite having a great PR team, Dougout Doug was not anywhere near as popular with the American citizens as Patton. He also gave Truman the perfect justificatiob for the firing |
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Posted: 4/25/2024 12:22:24 PM EDT
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The story I was told many times as a kid is that his Jeep driver killed him.
My grandfather was friends with Bradley's driver who was friends with Patton's driver and they hung out during the war. Patton's driver told them he was going to kill Patton after the war even it if meant he died in the process. |
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Posted: 4/25/2024 12:23:06 PM EDT
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They whacked him. He ran his mouth too much about the semitic peoples.
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Posted: 4/25/2024 12:23:46 PM EDT
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It was an accident.
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Posted: 4/25/2024 12:28:09 PM EDT
[Last Edit: MikeJGA]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bigbore: The story I was told many times as a kid is that his Jeep driver killed him. My grandfather was friends with Bradley's driver who was friends with Patton's driver and they hung out during the war. Patton's driver told them he was going to kill Patton after the war even it if meant he died in the process. Sorry that story holds no water. 1. Patton was in his staff car, not his jeep. Different drivers. 2. The staff car was in it's lane when a truck going the opposite direction turned into it. Not Patton's driver's fault. FWIW that section of road is a long straight stretch. The truck driver could not have missed seeing the staff car. Like Crusader44 I have been to the "accident" site many times. |
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Posted: 4/25/2024 12:31:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bikedamon: People who think the US was even remotely in any position to possibly attack Soviet forces in Europe show that they know little to nothing about the actual military situation at the time. Exactly that. Patton may have wanted to, but the American public was sick of it all and wanted to go home. Red on Blue would have been absolutely awful for both sides. That said SMERSH trying to kill him doesn't sound totally out of whack. SMERSH killed lots of people. Though what exactly were the Soviets worried a general in a rapidly demobilizing European army was going to be able to do, that would get in the way of the Soviets taking over Eastern Europe governments and making a serious run at the French, Italian, and eventually Greek ones? |
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Posted: 4/25/2024 12:31:30 PM EDT
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He was killed to steal the Spear of Destiny.
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Posted: 4/25/2024 12:35:46 PM EDT
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Seems to me, a vehicle collision is a poorly planned way to kill someone.
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Posted: 4/25/2024 12:38:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gatetraveller: Why would the government go through the trouble to kill Patton and only fire MacArthur? MacArthur was the only American, with his experience in the Far East, his public image and prestige, and the importance of those qualities to that culture, who could maybe serve as an ersatz Emperor over Occupied Japan. Which, as Supreme Allied Commander, he did very effectively. Getting Japan to roll over without 87,000 holdouts, both domestically in Japan, and throughout all of the Asian nooks and crannies they were ensconced within, was an absolutely amazing diplomatic feat. Patton, by comparison, was a rabble-rouser in State's eyes. A "break glass in case of fire" type. Such labelling does Patton's character and intelligence terribly, but that's what happens when you're dead and lesser men get to write the story. But the fire was out. No need for the fireman. |
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Posted: 4/25/2024 12:44:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 50cal: Plain ol' accident Yep |
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