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Posted: 12/31/2023 1:22:30 AM EDT
This is an interesting story from Clif High, starting at 46min in. He tells a story that in Vietnam his father was given prototype NVGs and they exposed invisible “demons”. Quite an interesting tale. I am not super familiar with Clif, but this was something that caught my imagination a bit.
FILM: Clif High - Antarctica Unveiled (Pt. 3 of 3) |
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“There are more things in Heaven and Earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy”.
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JFC!
Fast forward to the 8:45 mark to get past all the credits and disclaimers. |
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Originally Posted By LaRue_Tactical
I am shocked and amazed each day I wake to find electricity and the internet still working. |
Tag for a later watch...
Thanks for content! |
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The person who complains most, and is the most critical of others has the most to hide.
All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. |
I used to be a member of a militaria collecting forum for the purpose of doing research for a museum. Endless random posts that I had to sift through made me stop reading the forum after a few years, but I digress.
At least twice, if not at least three times, this topic came up on the forum, with many alleged witnesses to verify it. And I’m guessing there was some truth to it because the threads were almost always deleted rather quickly. Someone posted about one of the devices appearing on eBay, with some very specific and desirable information printed on the equipment tag, and the thread disappeared before I could even look into what made that device so unique. It’s my belief that if someone wanted more firsthand info, one could create accounts in such forums and join them to post the question. Monitor the thread you create closely in case it’s deleted quickly. One of us should try this, the results may be very interesting. |
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Google dicyanin dye night vision googles..your welcome.
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Don't have time to watch the video. Tag for later.
I've seen this topic before but always skipped it. I decided to look a little but man, the people that are really interested in these goggles appear to be on a permanent acid trip or something. I dont think they actually saw "demons". However it's possible the combination of materials and function made it easier for their eyes to play tricks on them. Similiar to how low frequency sounds can make people feel paranoid and afraid. I'd be interested to learn more but damn is there alot of weird people interested in these. |
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Well, now im really curious. Ive not heard of this before, and it appears there is a rabbit hole for these things.
How Red Night Vision Goggles drove Soldiers Mad during Vietnam, Dicyanin Dye and More #story #NG I wonder if any of the TNVC guys have heard of this stuff? @TNVC_Will @TNVC |
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“There are more things in Heaven and Earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy”.
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Originally Posted By AROKIE: Google dicyanin dye night vision googles..your welcome. View Quote Looks like you have to make your own if you want to get the full supernatural effects that the pilots experienced. The store bought ones use tinted solid lenses that only mimic the red color spectrum of the original lenses that used a dicyanin/alcohol mix trapped between two panes of glass. Unfortunately this liquid breaks down in short time so even if you lucked out and found an original set of goggles they would be useless now. |
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Originally Posted By HEATSEAKER: Looks like you have to make your own if you want to get the full supernatural effects that the pilots experienced. The store bought ones use tinted solid lenses that only mimic the red color spectrum of the original lenses that used a dicyanin/alcohol mix trapped between two panes of glass. Unfortunately this liquid breaks down in short time so even if you lucked out and found an original set of goggles they would be useless now. View Quote There's a place selling modern lenses. The guy making them actually has a video where he sandwiches dycyanine between to lenses the way it used to be done, and compared it to their lense coating and it looks identical. Just a purple dye it looks like. Kind of like quinacridone. |
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Originally Posted By sq40: Well, now im really curious. Ive not heard of this before, and it appears there is a rabbit hole for these things. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0ZiWFEAjLY I wonder if any of the TNVC guys have heard of this stuff? @TNVC_Will @TNVC View Quote Not sure if they'll get back to you, but someone over there had a red phosphor tube they put into a pair of binos. They only had one though so the other tube was green. Believe they called them "chrismas goggles" lol. |
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Originally Posted By sq40: Well, now im really curious. Ive not heard of this before, and it appears there is a rabbit hole for these things. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0ZiWFEAjLY I wonder if any of the TNVC guys have heard of this stuff? @TNVC_Will @TNVC View Quote I always enjoy this topic when it comes up Here’s a thread with pics from @jwramp https://www.ar15.com/forums/armory/Let-s-See-Some-Red-Phosphor-Christmas-Tree-Night-Vision/18-498793/ |
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It’s an entertaining topic but IMHO it’s simply human psychology manifesting fears/images (boogie man).
If you’ve been out in the legit boonies on dark dark nights under nods where apex predators lurk, your brain and imagination can play tricks on you, and by making the phosphor red I can see that being a total mind fuck, lol Hell, I’ve seen guys get spooked in places where there is 100% absolutely nothing dangerous lurking around. Especially in the Vietnamese jungle with older NV tech images will be pretty blobby so the brain has a lot more “creative freedom”. |
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Originally Posted By TNVC_Will: It’s an entertaining topic but IMHO it’s simply human psychology manifesting fears/images (boogie man). If you’ve been out in the legit boonies on dark dark nights under nods where apex predators lurk, your brain and imagination can play tricks on you, and by making the phosphor red I can see that being a total mind fuck, lol Hell, I’ve seen guys get spooked in places where there is 100% absolutely nothing dangerous lurking around. Especially in the Vietnamese jungle with older NV tech images will be pretty blobby so the brain has a lot more “creative freedom”. View Quote I'd just be more interested in knowing more about the actual goggles referenced, and whether they ever actually existed with dycyanine lenses. Not for any paranormal reason. |
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Or maybe all the drugs soldiers were given had side effects?
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2016/04/the-drugs-that-built-a-super-soldier/477183/ |
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Originally Posted By TNVC_Will: I always enjoy this topic when it comes up Here’s a thread with pics from @jwramp https://www.ar15.com/forums/armory/Let-s-See-Some-Red-Phosphor-Christmas-Tree-Night-Vision/18-498793/ View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By TNVC_Will: Originally Posted By sq40: Well, now im really curious. Ive not heard of this before, and it appears there is a rabbit hole for these things. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0ZiWFEAjLY I wonder if any of the TNVC guys have heard of this stuff? @TNVC_Will @TNVC I always enjoy this topic when it comes up Here’s a thread with pics from @jwramp https://www.ar15.com/forums/armory/Let-s-See-Some-Red-Phosphor-Christmas-Tree-Night-Vision/18-498793/ Thats cool as shit. Santa NODs. Looking at red just doesn't seem natural at all. Red is also a stressor color, danger, it would have to mess with you. In lower resolution, anything could induce Pareidolia, from birds to bats while in the air. |
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“There are more things in Heaven and Earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy”.
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Fascinating stuff, O.P. Thanks for sharing.
I’d like to be able to purchase red night vision goggles, preferably without the demons. |
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“There are more things in Heaven and Earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy”.
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Originally Posted By sq40: Well, now im really curious. Ive not heard of this before, and it appears there is a rabbit hole for these things. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0ZiWFEAjLY I wonder if any of the TNVC guys have heard of this stuff? @TNVC_Will @TNVC View Quote Not sure how big of gimmick, but "synthetic reproduction" Dicyanine dye glasses are sold at a site that only sells them. Might just be indigo optical filters and nothing special regarding spectral shifting, don't know. The stuff is also what makes CD/DVD-RW drives writable but it fades after 50-100 years so DVD recorded are good for 75 years on the safe side. Didn't realize the 'archival life' was that short. |
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The person who complains most, and is the most critical of others has the most to hide.
All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. |
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In many movies and documentaries, they use "temperature drop" as triggers for cameras and seeing paranormal activity.
But not once have I seen through my own thermals a spirit or entity or whatever anywhere. Nor have I seen any actual recordings of such, which is odd considering most modern thermals have recording ability... so if ghosts were as common as people claim, someone somewhere would have recorded evidence on their thermals. |
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Originally Posted By Millennial: In many movies and documentaries, they use "temperature drop" as triggers for cameras and seeing paranormal activity. But not once have I seen through my own thermals a spirit or entity or whatever anywhere. Nor have I seen any actual recordings of such, which is odd considering most modern thermals have recording ability... so if ghosts were as common as people claim, someone somewhere would have recorded evidence on their thermals. View Quote I know I've posted it here many times and guys are probably sick of me sharing but here's a video I caught with a pvs14. Granted I've recorded hundreds of hours since and this is all I've ever caught Ghost/figure/thing? caught on PVS14 |
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Originally Posted By sq40: I mean, I kinda want the one with the Demon vision. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By sq40: Originally Posted By JHMC79: Fascinating stuff, O.P. Thanks for sharing. I’d like to be able to purchase red night vision goggles, preferably without the demons. I mean, I kinda want the one with the Demon vision. I want you to get some too! Let me know how it works out I'm super curious myself. Lol |
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Originally Posted By FoxValleyTacDriver: I know I've posted it here many times and guys are probably sick of me sharing but here's a video I caught with a pvs14. Granted I've recorded hundreds of hours since and this is all I've ever caught https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QmsetAG4hw View Quote Dude. Thats awesome. I saw it in the first full speed pass and thought someone was in that room. |
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“There are more things in Heaven and Earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy”.
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Originally Posted By brass: Not sure how big of gimmick, but "synthetic reproduction" Dicyanine dye glasses are sold at a site that only sells them. Might just be indigo optical filters and nothing special regarding spectral shifting, don't know. The stuff is also what makes CD/DVD-RW drives writable but it fades after 50-100 years so DVD recorded are good for 75 years on the safe side. Didn't realize the 'archival life' was that short. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By brass: Originally Posted By sq40: Well, now im really curious. Ive not heard of this before, and it appears there is a rabbit hole for these things. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0ZiWFEAjLY I wonder if any of the TNVC guys have heard of this stuff? @TNVC_Will @TNVC Not sure how big of gimmick, but "synthetic reproduction" Dicyanine dye glasses are sold at a site that only sells them. Might just be indigo optical filters and nothing special regarding spectral shifting, don't know. The stuff is also what makes CD/DVD-RW drives writable but it fades after 50-100 years so DVD recorded are good for 75 years on the safe side. Didn't realize the 'archival life' was that short. Those look interesting. Used for viewing people’s auras. My wife swears she can see auras on people since her NDE. |
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“There are more things in Heaven and Earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy”.
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Originally Posted By AROKIE: I want you to get some too! Let me know how it works out I'm super curious myself. Lol View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By AROKIE: Originally Posted By sq40: Originally Posted By JHMC79: Fascinating stuff, O.P. Thanks for sharing. I’d like to be able to purchase red night vision goggles, preferably without the demons. I mean, I kinda want the one with the Demon vision. I want you to get some too! Let me know how it works out I'm super curious myself. Lol I am trying to wrap my head around how they could work. I understand we see/sense a very narrow band of the EM spectrum. Are these enhancing our perception of the spectrum or opening it up and translating it to be within our visual perception? I hear of multi-spectral vision too, I assume it adds other parts of the spectrum to the visual, like IR/UV/Microwave/Radio? Attached File |
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“There are more things in Heaven and Earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy”.
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Originally Posted By sq40: I am trying to wrap my head around how they could work. I understand we see/sense a very narrow band of the EM spectrum. Are these enhancing our perception of the spectrum or opening it up and translating it to be within our visual perception? I hear of multi-spectral vision too, I assume it adds other parts of the spectrum to the visual, like IR/UV/Microwave/Radio? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/49447/IMG_7275_png-3079016.JPG View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By sq40: Originally Posted By AROKIE: Originally Posted By sq40: Originally Posted By JHMC79: Fascinating stuff, O.P. Thanks for sharing. I’d like to be able to purchase red night vision goggles, preferably without the demons. I mean, I kinda want the one with the Demon vision. I want you to get some too! Let me know how it works out I'm super curious myself. Lol I am trying to wrap my head around how they could work. I understand we see/sense a very narrow band of the EM spectrum. Are these enhancing our perception of the spectrum or opening it up and translating it to be within our visual perception? I hear of multi-spectral vision too, I assume it adds other parts of the spectrum to the visual, like IR/UV/Microwave/Radio? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/49447/IMG_7275_png-3079016.JPG The multi-spectral is using different sensors and then fusing results to the display. Goggles like using Near Infrared like standard NV, and then sensors for thermal in the far IR range and overlaying the information from both sensors on the same display. Similar can be done with Radio emissions and sky maps or radar and visual parking systems. Just ways of taking useful information from other frequencies (spectra) and fusing them into a display that is friendly to human eye bandwidth using the correct encoding for colors to have the right meanings. The other is allowing for both UV, near IR and Far IR overlaid on a visible display so UV can be used for calling out targets while still being invisible to unaided human eyes and things like that. Same thing is done with our Air Force and Naval radars where All the returns from several different radar/communication bands all from several different systems (different ships and aircraft) and it's collated and allows the ships and planes like F-35 to have the "God's Eye" view of everything in the entire sphere around him with targets and ranges, and ability fo fire missiles at craft he cannot see with his own radar. "Sensor Fusion' tends to cover it, but that covers a lot more insidious fusing data from your phone, devices and WiFi networks you are around, what you are watching on TV, how you drive, and all that gets put into your Profile, same thing, different version of 'spectra' being translated to information but sensor fusion is all the rage for AI correlation. --ETA: A typical "Passive" spectral shift material would be phosphors such as in fluorescent tubes and White LEDs and old TV sets. When they're hit with RF energy, they emit light in a very specific wavelength. In White LEDs, it's UV photons into the phosphor and Red/Green/Blue out, CRT phosphors it is beta radiation (electrons) in and white (Red, green, blue out) for color TV. Those are all phosphorescent examples, but there are other materials that can double a wavelength to pump the frequency by integer amount (e.g. double the frequency, used in lasers). I don't know if the cyanin has that property or not. I know of no passives to make near IR into light visible to human eyes without electronics and amplification in between. |
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The person who complains most, and is the most critical of others has the most to hide.
All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. |
Originally Posted By TNVC_Will: It’s an entertaining topic but IMHO it’s simply human psychology manifesting fears/images (boogie man). If you’ve been out in the legit boonies on dark dark nights under nods where apex predators lurk, your brain and imagination can play tricks on you, and by making the phosphor red I can see that being a total mind fuck, lol Hell, I’ve seen guys get spooked in places where there is 100% absolutely nothing dangerous lurking around. Especially in the Vietnamese jungle with older NV tech images will be pretty blobby so the brain has a lot more “creative freedom”. View Quote Agree, I saw someone get freaked out in the woods just a couple weeks ago. Coyotes started going off, and to his credit, if you've never heard them before they kind of sound like children yelling at first. Which is unsettling at midnight 15 miles from the nearest home. But yeah that element of being in the middle of nowhere with nods gets to people. I'm only slightly paranoid because I had a mama bear charge me on a night walk once with nods. She followed me back all the way to the house. Not a fun time. |
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Originally Posted By FoxValleyTacDriver: I know I've posted it here many times and guys are probably sick of me sharing but here's a video I caught with a pvs14. Granted I've recorded hundreds of hours since and this is all I've ever caught https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QmsetAG4hw View Quote That hunched over old lady ghost noticed you could now see her when you freaked out like that so she went and found a new home without a night vision enthusiast. |
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I feel like red really fucks with your vision/head.
Virtuaboy for example flopped.pretty hard due to side effects. |
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Originally Posted By HEATSEAKER: That hunched over old lady ghost noticed you could now see her when you freaked out like that so she went and found a new home without a night vision enthusiast. View Quote Ha, maybe. No freaking out though. I turned around because I heard dishes shift in the sink but the kitchen was empty so I kept goofing off. I didn't see anything until I checked the recording. I killed the audio except for when the dishes shift, you can kind of hear it. Otherwise it was all breathing, that recorder sucked.. Too bad I didn't have this one back then. Attached File |
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The person who complains most, and is the most critical of others has the most to hide.
All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. |
“There are more things in Heaven and Earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy”.
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Originally Posted By sq40: Thats cool as shit. Santa NODs. Looking at red just doesn't seem natural at all. Red is also a stressor color, danger, it would have to mess with you. In lower resolution, anything could induce Pareidolia, from birds to bats while in the air. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By sq40: Originally Posted By TNVC_Will: Originally Posted By sq40: Well, now im really curious. Ive not heard of this before, and it appears there is a rabbit hole for these things. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0ZiWFEAjLY I wonder if any of the TNVC guys have heard of this stuff? @TNVC_Will @TNVC I always enjoy this topic when it comes up Here’s a thread with pics from @jwramp https://www.ar15.com/forums/armory/Let-s-See-Some-Red-Phosphor-Christmas-Tree-Night-Vision/18-498793/ Thats cool as shit. Santa NODs. Looking at red just doesn't seem natural at all. Red is also a stressor color, danger, it would have to mess with you. In lower resolution, anything could induce Pareidolia, from birds to bats while in the air. From a practical standpoint, I’d actually be pretty interested in red phosphor tubes. Red damages your natural night vision the least, so it makes sense to use red. |
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