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Posted: 4/24/2024 10:37:19 PM EDT
[#1]
There is a war on both beef and chickens right now. You best be fighting in it.
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Posted: 4/24/2024 10:38:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NotJackMiller: I know plenty of humans who aren't really conscious. Yes. They're called democrats. |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 10:38:37 PM EDT
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Why wouldn’t they have consciousness? Who the fuck cares?
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Posted: 4/24/2024 10:45:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheWhiteHorse: Why wouldn’t they have consciousness? Who the fuck cares? It's a legit intentional campaign to get you to eat shittier food. Full stop. That's why you should care. These are not people with legit beliefs and strong foundations making an argument. These are people trying to drive a narrative into people they've intentionally dumbed down through the education system. |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 10:48:28 PM EDT
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To further prove my claim, Google "organic racist" and see what comes up.
What at first was a totally legit left of center position has now become "racist". Right of center was like "idk bro I'm a regular guy I don't want all this trash" and that's their talking point. But it's not a talking point. Turns out both people on both sides of the center like regular food better than shit food. |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 10:48:50 PM EDT
[#6]
My trouser snake has a mind of its own.
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Posted: 4/24/2024 10:50:52 PM EDT
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No shit, but sentience isn't the same as sapience.
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Posted: 4/24/2024 10:51:12 PM EDT
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This just further validates my position that as a hunter, I bring the gift of quick death. The alternatives are being eaten alive by a predator, being horribly maimed by a vehicle (and then being eaten, maybe while still alive) or dying of a horrible disease (and then being eaten). No animals in nature are dying of old age.
I guess I need to bring the gift of quick death to even more of them! |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 10:51:47 PM EDT
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Food historically has been a very huge control point for oppressive tyranny. I have yet to find one tyrannical government who announced themselves as tyrannical.
Weirdly enough, they all sell themselves to the populace as saviors for problems their own government is responsible for. Pick any government you don't like and this is the case. This is all total trash, due to outsourced thinking, central banking and the MBAs |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 10:52:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By phatmax: In that case I shall eat scientists! We can also eat the people who believe this shit. Long pork is the best pork. |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 10:53:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: There is a war on both beef and chickens right now. You best be fighting in it. I'm doing my best. Eating beef and chicken along with my home raised sheep. Soon to be reintroduced quail, and hopefully newly started fish. I also sell sheep to others. Though one strange neighbor wanted a few as pets for his wife. Whatever, I got hay to help raise more food! |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 10:53:42 PM EDT
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The last sentient thought a pig has is "Enjoy your bacon".
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Posted: 4/24/2024 10:54:02 PM EDT
[#13]
Octopi are pretty smart creatures..
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Posted: 4/24/2024 10:54:10 PM EDT
[#14]
Follow the science: The food chain is real. We’re at or near the top of the food chain. End of discussion.
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Posted: 4/24/2024 10:54:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bikedamon: This just further validates my position that as a hunter, I bring the gift of quick death. The alternatives are being eaten alive by a predator, being horribly maimed by a vehicle (and then being eaten, maybe while still alive) or dying of a horrible disease (and then being eaten). No animals in nature are dying of old age. I guess I need to bring the gift of quick death to even more of them! This is the point of every human. From American Indians to Western Europe to the Middle East. Imagine not knowing what food is, and imagine not utilizing your own humanity to say "I want to eat that, but I don't want to be a dick". It's not complicated, humans have done this for thousands of years |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 10:54:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By akguy1985: Octopi are pretty smart creatures.. I eat those smart, delicious bastards at least once a week. |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 10:55:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By haveTwo: I'm doing my best. Eating beef and chicken along with my home raised sheep. Soon to be reintroduced quail, and hopefully newly started fish. I also sell sheep to others. Though one strange neighbor wanted a few as pets for his wife. Whatever, I got hay to help raise more food! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By haveTwo: Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: There is a war on both beef and chickens right now. You best be fighting in it. I'm doing my best. Eating beef and chicken along with my home raised sheep. Soon to be reintroduced quail, and hopefully newly started fish. I also sell sheep to others. Though one strange neighbor wanted a few as pets for his wife. Whatever, I got hay to help raise more food! 
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Posted: 4/24/2024 10:55:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cyclone: Octopus and squid are reputed to have the same cognitive abilities as a cat If you've ever had chicken in a Chinese restaurant, you've eaten cat. |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 10:56:49 PM EDT
[Last Edit: CastleBravo91]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SideSwipeYa: Are they telling me it’s not okay to eat fish because they have feelings? Something in the way, Oooooooooh, Something in the way, yeah, Oooooooooh.... ETA: beat on page 1. 
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Posted: 4/24/2024 10:57:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CouncilOfDave: I mean, okay, I can get behind that I guess. But I've seen bugs fly straight into campfires and burn to death, so I'm not really too impressed. Not to argue or anything, but I've seen humans light themselves on fire for nothing more than idiotic politics, so maybe bugs are smarter than some people. I don't know if lobsters have consciousness or not, but I've always found this topic very interesting, maybe because my wife and I are both animal lovers in the pet sense, and we're always helping some wildlife get back on it's feet after being injured. Heck we just let a bird go yesterday after taking care of it for 2 weeks. It was nice to see it fly off to live it's life. |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 10:58:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By phatmax: They were protesting genocide in Gaza, obviously. lol, good one. |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 10:59:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cmw: I have no doubt that cephalopods are sentient and they are also aware that we are as well. Sorry, but I call bullshit on that one. They might be sentient, but how in the hell would they know anything about us? Do they have a science lab under the sea with sponge bob? |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 11:00:43 PM EDT
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I don't give a fuck if it's a fully sapient creature. I'm a human, an apex predator (or pretty damn close). I love animals too, doesn't mean I won't kill and eat them for sustenance. That's how life on planet Earth works.
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Posted: 4/24/2024 11:01:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: This is the point of every human. From American Indians to Western Europe to the Middle East. Imagine not knowing what food is, and imagine not utilizing your own humanity to say "I want to eat that, but I don't want to be a dick". It's not complicated, humans have done this for thousands of years Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: Originally Posted By bikedamon: This just further validates my position that as a hunter, I bring the gift of quick death. The alternatives are being eaten alive by a predator, being horribly maimed by a vehicle (and then being eaten, maybe while still alive) or dying of a horrible disease (and then being eaten). No animals in nature are dying of old age. I guess I need to bring the gift of quick death to even more of them! This is the point of every human. From American Indians to Western Europe to the Middle East. Imagine not knowing what food is, and imagine not utilizing your own humanity to say "I want to eat that, but I don't want to be a dick". It's not complicated, humans have done this for thousands of years When I worked in a kitchen we had a high school girl as a dishwasher, and one day she asked "Why do you guys call it blood?" as she looked at ground beef sitting in a strainer, draining off blood before it was cooked up. Confused, we asked her what she meant. She didn't realize that beef was the flesh from a cow, or that meat was the flesh of once-living animals. Then she cried. She was very pretty and very rich, and also very sheltered. To her dad's credit, he was the one who made her get a job as a dishwasher. She learned several eye opening lessons in that bar's kitchen. |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 11:03:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By zukguy: Not to argue or anything, but I've seen humans light themselves on fire for nothing more than idiotic politics, so maybe bugs are smarter than some people. I don't know if lobsters have consciousness or not, but I've always found this topic very interesting, maybe because my wife and I are both animal lovers in the pet sense, and we're always helping some wildlife get back on it's feet after being injured. Heck we just let a bird go yesterday after taking care of it for 2 weeks. It was nice to see it fly off to live it's life. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By zukguy: Originally Posted By CouncilOfDave: I mean, okay, I can get behind that I guess. But I've seen bugs fly straight into campfires and burn to death, so I'm not really too impressed. Not to argue or anything, but I've seen humans light themselves on fire for nothing more than idiotic politics, so maybe bugs are smarter than some people. I don't know if lobsters have consciousness or not, but I've always found this topic very interesting, maybe because my wife and I are both animal lovers in the pet sense, and we're always helping some wildlife get back on it's feet after being injured. Heck we just let a bird go yesterday after taking care of it for 2 weeks. It was nice to see it fly off to live it's life. You and your wife openly acknowledge your humanity. That's the difference. Sometimes you need to kill stuff to eat, sometimes you need to help injured animals. I don't think these issues (much like science and religion) are mutually exclusive. You can help a bird but also eat chicken, they're not the same thing. One was raised to provide, one was wild and got injured and because we're pretty smart we can help that animal. You're doing the right thing, and I don't even need to ask if you consume meat, because of fucking course you do |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 11:05:47 PM EDT
[Last Edit: lildavid67]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: This is the point of every human. From American Indians to Western Europe to the Middle East. Imagine not knowing what food is, and imagine not utilizing your own humanity to say "I want to eat that, but I don't want to be a dick". It's not complicated, humans have done this for thousands of years Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: Originally Posted By bikedamon: This just further validates my position that as a hunter, I bring the gift of quick death. The alternatives are being eaten alive by a predator, being horribly maimed by a vehicle (and then being eaten, maybe while still alive) or dying of a horrible disease (and then being eaten). No animals in nature are dying of old age. I guess I need to bring the gift of quick death to even more of them! This is the point of every human. From American Indians to Western Europe to the Middle East. Imagine not knowing what food is, and imagine not utilizing your own humanity to say "I want to eat that, but I don't want to be a dick". It's not complicated, humans have done this for thousands of years Skip to 0:58 to see speech. |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 11:07:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By intheburbs: But 64 miillion abortions are just fine. Right up until birth.   Attached File |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 11:07:30 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bikedamon: When I worked in a kitchen we had a high school girl as a dishwasher, and one day she asked "Why do you guys call it blood?" as she looked at ground beef sitting in a strainer, draining off blood before it was cooked up. Confused, we asked her what she meant. She didn't realize that beef was the flesh from a cow, or that meat was the flesh of once-living animals. Then she cried. She was very pretty and very rich, and also very sheltered. To her dad's credit, he was the one who made her get a job as a dishwasher. She learned several eye opening lessons in that bar's kitchen. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bikedamon: Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: Originally Posted By bikedamon: This just further validates my position that as a hunter, I bring the gift of quick death. The alternatives are being eaten alive by a predator, being horribly maimed by a vehicle (and then being eaten, maybe while still alive) or dying of a horrible disease (and then being eaten). No animals in nature are dying of old age. I guess I need to bring the gift of quick death to even more of them! This is the point of every human. From American Indians to Western Europe to the Middle East. Imagine not knowing what food is, and imagine not utilizing your own humanity to say "I want to eat that, but I don't want to be a dick". It's not complicated, humans have done this for thousands of years When I worked in a kitchen we had a high school girl as a dishwasher, and one day she asked "Why do you guys call it blood?" as she looked at ground beef sitting in a strainer, draining off blood before it was cooked up. Confused, we asked her what she meant. She didn't realize that beef was the flesh from a cow, or that meat was the flesh of once-living animals. Then she cried. She was very pretty and very rich, and also very sheltered. To her dad's credit, he was the one who made her get a job as a dishwasher. She learned several eye opening lessons in that bar's kitchen. Good for her pops. |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 11:11:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lildavid67: Skip to 0:58 to see speech.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9oW0Nk7Dm4Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lildavid67: Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: Originally Posted By bikedamon: This just further validates my position that as a hunter, I bring the gift of quick death. The alternatives are being eaten alive by a predator, being horribly maimed by a vehicle (and then being eaten, maybe while still alive) or dying of a horrible disease (and then being eaten). No animals in nature are dying of old age. I guess I need to bring the gift of quick death to even more of them! This is the point of every human. From American Indians to Western Europe to the Middle East. Imagine not knowing what food is, and imagine not utilizing your own humanity to say "I want to eat that, but I don't want to be a dick". It's not complicated, humans have done this for thousands of years Skip to 0:58 to see speech. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9oW0Nk7Dm4Your post brings up another great point that aside the big 3 religions, all humans recognize this. There is universal truth in the world. |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 11:18:11 PM EDT
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Uhh, they're living creatures that aren't plants. Of course they're conscious. Like, what dumbass big-brain postulated a random set of animal life wasn't conscious? It's as if some Liberal scientists came out years from now and go, "we've discovered evidence that there are only TWO genders!" Now, there conclusion: "Third, when there is a realistic possibility of conscious experience in an animal, it is irresponsible to ignore that possibility in decisions affecting that animal. We should consider welfare risks and use the evidence to inform our responses to these risks." ...There's the nutty part; I assume they mean shit like, environmental studies, and banning fishing and eating these creatures, all as a push for humans to not be allowed to eat meat, and narrow us down to bugs, before determining that bugs aren't allowed either, at which time they determine all need to drink poison kool-aid to save mother gaia. |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 11:19:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lighthammer72: I've signed multiple declarations proclaiming fish and lobster to be delicious. I always called them "receipts." 
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Posted: 4/24/2024 11:20:12 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By intheburbs: But 64 miillion abortions are just fine. Right up until birth. We need a like button. |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 11:21:24 PM EDT
[#33]
Don't care. Still going to eat animals.
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Posted: 4/24/2024 11:22:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By vxtip545: Uhh, they're living creatures that aren't plants. Of course they're conscious. Like, what dumbass big-brain postulated a random set of animal life wasn't conscious? It's as if some Liberal scientists came out years from now and go, "we've discovered evidence that there are only TWO genders!" Now, there conclusion: "Third, when there is a realistic possibility of conscious experience in an animal, it is irresponsible to ignore that possibility in decisions affecting that animal. We should consider welfare risks and use the evidence to inform our responses to these risks." ...There's the nutty part; I assume they mean shit like, environmental studies, and banning fishing and eating these creatures, all as a push for humans to not be allowed to eat meat, and narrow us down to bugs, before determining that bugs aren't allowed either, at which time they determine all need to drink poison kool-aid to save mother gaia. They want to ban raising animals to eat. They want to ban hunting. They want to ban owning pets and working animals. |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 11:23:37 PM EDT
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Wait but some "scientist" just wrote a book about people not having free will. So if we don't have free will, neither do animals. This none of us are conscious thus soyle t green is on the menu.
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Posted: 4/24/2024 11:23:44 PM EDT
[#36]
Cool. I’m man, I’ll keep eating whatever the fuck I want.
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Posted: 4/24/2024 11:24:58 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: There is a war on both beef and chickens right now. You best be fighting in it.  Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 11:25:55 PM EDT
[#38]
There’s a lobster place near me. Had whole lobster there a few months ago, and it was magnificent. Lobster meat is outfrickinstanding.
I wonder what the lobsters think as they’re going into the boiling pot of water? Trust the science? 
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Posted: 4/24/2024 11:34:38 PM EDT
[#39]
Other animals eat other animals, so, as an animal myself, I have zero fucks to give about eating tasty animals to sustain myself. I don’t care if they’re conscious or not while they’re alive.
If humans were the only omni/carnivores on earth, then maybe I’d reconsider. But we’re not. So get fucked, commie bastards. |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 11:39:25 PM EDT
[#40]
Well... not when we eat them. Unless you're in Japan. They eat that stuff while it's still wriggling.
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Posted: 4/24/2024 11:54:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By QueOndaGuero: There's that FPNI thing again. Yep |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 11:59:46 PM EDT
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[#42]
Quit complaining about science and scientists, they know these things, it's the evidence...and darn it, they're just smarter.
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Posted: 4/25/2024 12:05:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By intheburbs: But 64 miillion abortions are just fine. Right up until birth. ...And even afterward, too. |
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Posted: 4/25/2024 12:17:41 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By 15jonshoot: My cat has only murder on his mind. Bezos Earth Fund is giving $60 million toward revamping alternative proteins A review of the signatories on this declaration indicates most of the expertise is in philosophy, psychology, and environmental studies. The group asserts that a wide array of species, including lobsters, fish, octopi, and insects, can experience elements of consciousness and sentience. First, there is strong scientific support for attributions of conscious experience to other mammals and to birds. Second, the empirical evidence indicates at least a realistic possibility of conscious experience in all vertebrates (including reptiles, amphibians, and fishes) and many invertebrates (including, at minimum, cephalopod mollusks, decapod crustaceans, and insects). Third, when there is a realistic possibility of conscious experience in an animal, it is irresponsible to ignore that possibility in decisions affecting that animal. We should consider welfare risks and use the evidence to inform our responses to these risks. *raises hand in the back of the class* Who *didn't* think these animals weren't self aware? Bueller? Bueller? |
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Posted: 4/25/2024 12:18:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DK-Prof: Octopi is grammatically incorrect. The correct plural of octopus is octopodes. Octopuses is also acceptable. Yes, but in the Queen’s English, It’s Octopi. Octopussies is acceptable for groups of female Octopi. |
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Posted: 4/25/2024 12:24:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cyclone: Octopus and squid are reputed to have the same cognitive abilities as a cat I used to live in a flat no bedroom apartment with a chilled aquarium housing a bimac octopus. It would wake me up every morning to feed it by squirting tank water across the room onto my face. It would hide only when I had guests over. We would wave at each other every time a left and got home. I think it was way more cognitive than a cat. I went to Vegas on a 3 day vacation and came home to an ink trail across the carpet floor where it waited at the window for me to come home and died. |
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Posted: 4/25/2024 12:42:30 AM EDT
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I could get on board with this if it weren't for the fact that the same people pushing this, don't have nearly the same amount of concern for quality and length of life, or respect for the individual consciousnessm dignity, and lives of........HUMANS.
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Posted: 4/25/2024 1:02:33 AM EDT
[#48]
Lobsters yes
College Sophomores, no Lobsters can find Gaza. College kids can't |
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Posted: 4/25/2024 1:57:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By intheburbs: But 64 miillion abortions are just fine. Right up until birth. FP forever. |
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Posted: 4/25/2024 2:27:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WUPHF: So do cows, pigs, chickens. Doesn’t stop me from eating them. This. |
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