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Posted: 1/21/2024 11:53:27 AM EDT
I’d like to chat with someone who’s been on it a while. I’ve got some questions re: diet, digestion & dose.
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Are you taking it now? If so I would follow whatever dosing schedule you were given.
If you haven't started it be aware that the weight comes back if you stop so be prepared to take it for the rest of your life. |
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It’s better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than open it and remove all doubt.
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Dosing schedule is 10ml week 1, 20ml week 2, etc. until you have negative side effects, and then back off to the previous 10ml increment. Most people are on 30-50ml as a standard dose.
One challenge seems to be differentiating dosage side effects from IBS symptom or food sensitivities, as they are evidently very similar. |
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Originally Posted By BFskinner: Are you taking it now? If so I would follow whatever dosing schedule you were given. If you haven't started it be aware that the weight comes back if you stop so be prepared to take it for the rest of your life. View Quote Red is not 100% true, but it does happen many times. I have a family member and have had patients take it. While on it, you will change your eating habits (or barf/shit). You will also likely lose enough weight to make exercising easier/more comfortable. The trick is to keep the new eating habits and keep up with the new exercise regimen after stopping the drug. You will still potentially gain some weight back once the drug is stopped, but if you make the changes (and, frankly, many of the successful people make the changes while on the drug because of the high out of pocket cost), you can still end up with a net loss of 50-75% of the peak weight loss. Those that don't capitalize on the opportunity, will nearly certainly gain back every bit lost. |
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ME, USA
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An issue some folks run into is availability. I've known people who have not been able to obtain it for so long they have to "re-start" at the beginning dosage. That has got to suck, especially as expensive as it is.
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Originally Posted By D_J: Dosing schedule is 10ml week 1, 20ml week 2, etc. until you have negative side effects, and then back off to the previous 10ml increment. Most people are on 30-50ml as a standard dose. One challenge seems to be differentiating dosage side effects from IBS symptom or food sensitivities, as they are evidently very similar. View Quote My suggestion would be to modify your diet for a while to reduce any triggers of your IBS as well as avoid foods that give you problems. If the symptoms remain then they are likely drug-related. If you actually don't know what things cause you problems then you might consider reducing your dose. Most adverse drug effects (aside from allergic and idiosyncratic reactions) are dose-related so if you reduce your dose without changing your eating habits and the symptoms lessen, it is probably the drug. |
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It’s better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than open it and remove all doubt.
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Muscle mass is first to go so you may want to take some CJC 1295 with it.
I don’t know why people don’t just exercise and control their intake. Total lack of discipline. But, if it’s you, here you go. Attached File |
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Originally Posted By Maine_11B_to_Nurse: An issue some folks run into is availability. I've known people who have not been able to obtain it for so long they have to "re-start" at the beginning dosage. That has got to suck, especially as expensive as it is. View Quote The guys I know who take it all get it from local clinic where you can buy 450ml vials for self dosing, so 9-15 weeks of medication at a time depending on dose. But I have heard that if you get the medication from the manufacturer there can be delays. Originally Posted By BFskinner: My suggestion would be to modify your diet for a while to reduce any triggers of your IBS as well as avoid foods that give you problems. If the symptoms remain then they are likely drug-related. If you actually don't know what things cause you problems then you might consider reducing your dose. Most adverse drug effects (aside from allergic and idiosyncratic reactions) are dose-related so if you reduce your dose without changing your eating habits and the symptoms lessen, it is probably the drug. View Quote This is where I'm confused - there doesn't seem to be a consensus on whether diet + drug increases/decreases symptoms or increases/decreases efficacy, other than things like alcohol which seems to be universally recommended against. The clinic everyone uses advocates an "eat what you want" approach. My wife and I normally eat a keto-centric diet, and on it I have avoided any issues with IBS or other symptoms - it seems the high fat/low carb macro works very well for me, while my natural inclination to eat what I like tends to include a pretty decent carb load and while not often, I've had some issues in the past. My daughter, although not formally diagnosed with IBS or Celiacs appears to be very gluten and dairy sensitive, resulting in IBS-like symptoms. A2 milk seems to have solved them problem for liquid dairy, but things like pizza she chooses to eat knowing what the side effects will be. Originally Posted By HELOBRAVO: Muscle mass is first to go so you may want to take some CJC 1295 with it. I don’t know why people don’t just exercise and control their intake. Total lack of discipline. But, if it’s you, here you go. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/49496/IMG_7771_jpeg-3102141.JPG View Quote I have heard that, but had not heard of CJC 1295 and would hope to retain mass by continuing the daily lifting regimen. |
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Originally Posted By D_J: The guys I know who take it all get it from local clinic where you can buy 450ml vials for self dosing, so 9-15 weeks of medication at a time depending on dose. But I have heard that if you get the medication from the manufacturer there can be delays. This is where I'm confused - there doesn't seem to be a consensus on whether diet + drug increases/decreases symptoms or increases/decreases efficacy, other than things like alcohol which seems to be universally recommended against. The clinic everyone uses advocates an "eat what you want" approach. My wife and I normally eat a keto-centric diet, and on it I have avoided any issues with IBS or other symptoms - it seems the high fat/low carb macro works very well for me, while my natural inclination to eat what I like tends to include a pretty decent carb load and while not often, I've had some issues in the past. My daughter, although not formally diagnosed with IBS or Celiacs appears to be very gluten and dairy sensitive, resulting in IBS-like symptoms. A2 milk seems to have solved them problem for liquid dairy, but things like pizza she chooses to eat knowing what the side effects will be. I have heard that, but had not heard of CJC 1295 and would hope to retain mass by continuing the daily lifting regimen. View Quote I guess what I am suggesting is that you do an experiment to determine the cause. In an experiment you vary only one variable at a time. In this case either eat what you want and decrease the drug dose or avoid potential triggers and keep the dose constant. In your case it doesn't sound like you have any particular triggers so the most direct test would be to decrease the dose and see if you still get the therapeutic effect but reduced GI symptoms. As a general rule pretty much all drugs have an optimal therapeutic window where they produce the desired effects. Too little drug and you don't reach sufficient tissue concentrations for the drug to be efficacious. In contrast going too high usually doesn't increase efficacy or if it does it isn't worth the increased likelihood of adverse effects. Adverse effects can be either an outgrowth of the drugs desirable effects or it can due to "off target" effects on other systems. The lowest effective dose is almost always the best course when trying to reduce undesirable effects. Avoiding alcohol is probably just because alcohol has a pretty high caloric content but little nutritional value more than a specific interaction with the drug. |
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It’s better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than open it and remove all doubt.
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My Dr. suggested I try it for a limit of three months .
Pain in the ass to find , fairly expensive. Some constipation , some low level nausea . Did lose some weight , did gain some of it back after stopping . I do not recommend . |
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Congrats on the progress and good luck with your goals. What is your standard dosage now that you're on "maintenance" mode? I have a friend taking Ozempic, but she's got the "pens" and the local clinic sells 2.5 and 4.5 mL vials of 2.65mg/mL semaglutide + 100mg/mL levocarnitine (L-carnitine). Best I can tell, 10 units (starting dose) is .265 mg of semaglutide, or equivalent to a .25 mg Ozempic pen. The clinic uses a 10 units / 20 units / 30 units / 40 units / 50 units per week increasing dose until side effects, then back off 10 units. I suppose you could go to 100 units (the max on the insulin syringe), which would be 1 mL or 2.65 mg. I can't remember which is which, (Ozempic or Wegovny) but one pen maxes at 1.7 and 2.4 mg while the other maxes at 1mg and 2 mg pens. Searching google, it seems the +10 units per week is a common schedule, but I found another that increases per 3 weeks and Ozempic/Wegovny both increase at 4 week increments I think. Another friend using semaglutide from the same clinic has been on 10 or 20 units his entire time, and has lost 40 lbs without issues. He put it as, "I don't like exercising because I'm lazy so this is perfect for me." He drives a $425k McLaren, so he's not a lifelong loser. Anyhow, appreciate you sharing and would love to hear any more details what worked/did not work for you when it came to the medication (side effects, dosing) and your diet. |
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Originally Posted By D_J: @streetstar Congrats on the progress and good luck with your goals. What is your standard dosage now that you're on "maintenance" mode? I have a friend taking Ozempic, but she's got the "pens" and the local clinic sells 2.5 and 4.5 mL vials of 2.65mg/mL semaglutide + 100mg/mL levocarnitine (L-carnitine). Best I can tell, 10 units (starting dose) is .265 mg of semaglutide, or equivalent to a .25 mg Ozempic pen. The clinic uses a 10 units / 20 units / 30 units / 40 units / 50 units per week increasing dose until side effects, then back off 10 units. I suppose you could go to 100 units (the max on the insulin syringe), which would be 1 mL or 2.65 mg. I can't remember which is which, (Ozempic or Wegovny) but one pen maxes at 1.7 and 2.4 mg while the other maxes at 1mg and 2 mg pens. Searching google, it seems the +10 units per week is a common schedule, but I found another that increases per 3 weeks and Ozempic/Wegovny both increase at 4 week increments I think. Another friend using semaglutide from the same clinic has been on 10 or 20 units his entire time, and has lost 40 lbs without issues. He put it as, "I don't like exercising because I'm lazy so this is perfect for me." He drives a $425k McLaren, so he's not a lifelong loser. Anyhow, appreciate you sharing and would love to hear any more details what worked/did not work for you when it came to the medication (side effects, dosing) and your diet. View Quote No worries Not in maintenance mode yet -- still have 50 lbs to go -- but i maxed out on straight semaglutide injections at 2.5ml and right now i am taking tirzepatide at 5ml (i think) which is mounjaro. Unlike your buddy, i actually like exercising and my increased food requirements have probably slowed down my progress, as i genuinely thought i had a chance of losing more in a years time --- but as i detailed above - my fall season sucked hard on a lot of levels But i think exercising, even if its mostly aerobic - and the extra food i have needed for that (its still not much) likely helped me minimize the muscle loss so far --- i'll update the thread or edit this post later tonight when i can comment further on side effects and foods i have settled on after a lot of experimentation -- trying to get out of the office now --- but i have experienced most of the common side effects and still told myself -- "If its working, i'll deal with it" |
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Originally Posted By D_J: @streetstar Anyhow, appreciate you sharing and would love to hear any more details what worked/did not work for you when it came to the medication (side effects, dosing) and your diet. View Quote Prior to starting the semaglutide program i was dabbling with a keto type program -- i was warned that if i stuck with keto and the medicine at the same time, i would run into serious low blood sugar issues because i am not diabetic. The medicine lowers your blood sugar as it was originally intended as a diabetes medicine so if you are eating low carb at the same time it will really mess you up at first. I would try to get in miles on my bike and start getting lightheaded and dizzy. -- because i thought - well, i'll still eat low carb, but if i start feeling weird i'll eat a banana. That was a no go philosophy. First 3 months i lost weight pretty fast , which is typical of any diet i think, but i had cheat days where i would eat a slice or 2 of pizza, or hit a mexican restaurant for some enchiladas --- the amount of food your stomach can process is greatly reduced so if i go to a mexican place , -- i skip the chips and tortillas and just order 2 enchilads (or 2 tacos or whatever) ala carte - because thats all you can process Before, i could down a medium pizza on my own, and a mexican meal meant chips, queso, tortillas, the main entree and a couple of beers and maybe a margarita. I didnt do that frequently, but it was within the realm of possibilities. And a party day could mean 8 beers can get consumed over the course of a day --- now if i am going full throttle and drink 3 - i pay the price, but alcohol in moderation is okay. I didnt have energy for much, and still dont - riding the bike is drudgery and weight training is miserable, but im preparing myself for the day i lose some muscle mass again, it will be time for some more serious strength training, even if it slows down the total gross weight loss The woman who turned me onto this medication and clinic lost 40 pounds with zero side effects. She is a older person (65 i think) and while not sedentary, she just does typical old lady stuff like futz around in her garden and do volunteer work with her church, -- she's not trying to turn any numbers on a mountain bike or walk half marathons or anything . She is on her maintenance dose now and has been holding steady for months Me on the other hand, -- when i first started taking the medication -- the day i would get the shot i quickly learned to just write that day off -- no work, no gym time, no cycling -- i never got the shits, but nausea and dizziness were factors. Im self employed so figuring out ways to work around it were not too bad for me, - Now that im a year in, i am back to eating very low carb - almost none but my body has adjusted to the program. but i do keep clean fast acting carbs like fruit around . It is amazing how fast a couple of bananas can level me out if i am feeling weird. Salt too. One of my quick fixes when i am feeling sodium depleted is chicken bone broth with a heavy dose of sea salt. Leafy and cruciferous veggies and things like peppers do not process well for me now that i am taking this stuff either. I recognize the need for essential vitamins and nutrients from veggies, so drink vegetable juice. I avoid stuff like V8 and get the stuff from Sprouts or Whole Foods that costs too much, but when you look at the ingredient labels, V8 juice has twice as many unpronouncable ingredients Initially i was also eating plenty of cheese for snacks and things - typical keto diet stuff --- but for the last few weeks i have predominately cut out all dairy also. I dont bring stuff home with me and i will admit human frailty by saying i have had party nights where nothing sounds better than some nachos while i am watching Supercross or a football game -- these decisions are usually alcohol influenced. Stuff like that is fine once in a while --- but any leftover chips the next morning i feed to my pigs or just toss them -- theyre pretty fat too and dont need junk food either. I never gave up beer , but as mentioned - im down to being satisfied with drinking one fancy shitbird beer snob beer, rather than drinking 6 Miller lights. Alcohol is processed by your body slower too so it stays in your stomach longer and has a longer more drawn out effect Im outlining my experiences , but also stating that you may be like my friend the church lady and have very minimal side effects. For me, going to a clinic to have the shots administered has been crucial to my success. The clinic is run by a bunch of RN's and Nurse practitioner that oversees them, so when i go in weekly for my weigh in and shot, i can convey to them what i am feeling and they will tell me their theories on what is going on (eat more carbs if im low on sugar, or suggest that im sodium depleted, etc. ) they also adjust my dosage up if i hit a sticking point . My "before" picture up there would suggest that im not a heavy discipline type of operator, much as i would like to think i am --- ive had to cope with the fact that i am who i am, and if having a support network of lady nurses and cycling coaches i consult with keeps me on the straight and narrow, then so be it. People have pointed out to me that my program "sounds expensive" (basically $400 per month ) - but i am quick to point out that decreased beer consumption probably saves me $200 of that, plus Sunday mornings it used to be common to take my harley out for brunch with a bunch of like minded bike enthusiasts -- a bloody mary and an appetizer can it 50 bucks pretty quick so thats another $200 a month , and i pack my own lunch in the event i go to my office so i dont hit up restaurants for lunch. My break up last fall sucked and i havent met anyone new yet, so i dont spend money on date night meals, and my refrigerator and pantry now looks like a monk lives in my house or something - so i am guessing the savings in those areas more than cancels out the cost of the medicine If i only had 30 or 40 pounds to lose, i wouldnt do this but i was in a pretty bad place -- So for me its been a life changing process |
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Originally Posted By streetstar: No worries Not in maintenance mode yet -- still have 50 lbs to go -- but i maxed out on straight semaglutide injections at 2.5ml and right now i am taking tirzepatide at 5ml (i think) which is mounjaro. Unlike your buddy, i actually like exercising and my increased food requirements have probably slowed down my progress, as i genuinely thought i had a chance of losing more in a years time --- but as i detailed above - my fall season sucked hard on a lot of levels But i think exercising, even if its mostly aerobic - and the extra food i have needed for that (its still not much) likely helped me minimize the muscle loss so far --- i'll update the thread or edit this post later tonight when i can comment further on side effects and foods i have settled on after a lot of experimentation -- trying to get out of the office now --- but i have experienced most of the common side effects and still told myself -- "If its working, i'll deal with it" View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By streetstar: Originally Posted By D_J: @streetstar Congrats on the progress and good luck with your goals. What is your standard dosage now that you're on "maintenance" mode? I have a friend taking Ozempic, but she's got the "pens" and the local clinic sells 2.5 and 4.5 mL vials of 2.65mg/mL semaglutide + 100mg/mL levocarnitine (L-carnitine). Best I can tell, 10 units (starting dose) is .265 mg of semaglutide, or equivalent to a .25 mg Ozempic pen. The clinic uses a 10 units / 20 units / 30 units / 40 units / 50 units per week increasing dose until side effects, then back off 10 units. I suppose you could go to 100 units (the max on the insulin syringe), which would be 1 mL or 2.65 mg. I can't remember which is which, (Ozempic or Wegovny) but one pen maxes at 1.7 and 2.4 mg while the other maxes at 1mg and 2 mg pens. Searching google, it seems the +10 units per week is a common schedule, but I found another that increases per 3 weeks and Ozempic/Wegovny both increase at 4 week increments I think. Another friend using semaglutide from the same clinic has been on 10 or 20 units his entire time, and has lost 40 lbs without issues. He put it as, "I don't like exercising because I'm lazy so this is perfect for me." He drives a $425k McLaren, so he's not a lifelong loser. Anyhow, appreciate you sharing and would love to hear any more details what worked/did not work for you when it came to the medication (side effects, dosing) and your diet. No worries Not in maintenance mode yet -- still have 50 lbs to go -- but i maxed out on straight semaglutide injections at 2.5ml and right now i am taking tirzepatide at 5ml (i think) which is mounjaro. Unlike your buddy, i actually like exercising and my increased food requirements have probably slowed down my progress, as i genuinely thought i had a chance of losing more in a years time --- but as i detailed above - my fall season sucked hard on a lot of levels But i think exercising, even if its mostly aerobic - and the extra food i have needed for that (its still not much) likely helped me minimize the muscle loss so far --- i'll update the thread or edit this post later tonight when i can comment further on side effects and foods i have settled on after a lot of experimentation -- trying to get out of the office now --- but i have experienced most of the common side effects and still told myself -- "If its working, i'll deal with it" I guess by "maintenance mode" I meant where you stopped increasing the dose. |
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Originally Posted By streetstar: Prior to starting the semaglutide program i was dabbling with a keto type program -- i was warned that if i stuck with keto and the medicine at the same time, i would run into serious low blood sugar issues because i am not diabetic. The medicine lowers your blood sugar as it was originally intended as a diabetes medicine so if you are eating low carb at the same time it will really mess you up at first. I would try to get in miles on my bike and start getting lightheaded and dizzy. -- because i thought - well, i'll still eat low carb, but if i start feeling weird i'll eat a banana. That was a no go philosophy. First 3 months i lost weight pretty fast , which is typical of any diet i think, but i had cheat days where i would eat a slice or 2 of pizza, or hit a mexican restaurant for some enchiladas --- the amount of food your stomach can process is greatly reduced so if i go to a mexican place , -- i skip the chips and tortillas and just order 2 enchilads (or 2 tacos or whatever) ala carte - because thats all you can process Before, i could down a medium pizza on my own, and a mexican meal meant chips, queso, tortillas, the main entree and a couple of beers and maybe a margarita. I didnt do that frequently, but it was within the realm of possibilities. And a party day could mean 8 beers can get consumed over the course of a day --- now if i am going full throttle and drink 3 - i pay the price, but alcohol in moderation is okay. I didnt have energy for much, and still dont - riding the bike is drudgery and weight training is miserable, but im preparing myself for the day i lose some muscle mass again, it will be time for some more serious strength training, even if it slows down the total gross weight loss The woman who turned me onto this medication and clinic lost 40 pounds with zero side effects. She is a older person (65 i think) and while not sedentary, she just does typical old lady stuff like futz around in her garden and do volunteer work with her church, -- she's not trying to turn any numbers on a mountain bike or walk half marathons or anything . She is on her maintenance dose now and has been holding steady for months Me on the other hand, -- when i first started taking the medication -- the day i would get the shot i quickly learned to just write that day off -- no work, no gym time, no cycling -- i never got the shits, but nausea and dizziness were factors. Im self employed so figuring out ways to work around it were not too bad for me, - Now that im a year in, i am back to eating very low carb - almost none but my body has adjusted to the program. but i do keep clean fast acting carbs like fruit around . It is amazing how fast a couple of bananas can level me out if i am feeling weird. Salt too. One of my quick fixes when i am feeling sodium depleted is chicken bone broth with a heavy dose of sea salt. Leafy and cruciferous veggies and things like peppers do not process well for me now that i am taking this stuff either. I recognize the need for essential vitamins and nutrients from veggies, so drink vegetable juice. I avoid stuff like V8 and get the stuff from Sprouts or Whole Foods that costs too much, but when you look at the ingredient labels, V8 juice has twice as many unpronouncable ingredients Initially i was also eating plenty of cheese for snacks and things - typical keto diet stuff --- but for the last few weeks i have predominately cut out all dairy also. I dont bring stuff home with me and i will admit human frailty by saying i have had party nights where nothing sounds better than some nachos while i am watching Supercross or a football game -- these decisions are usually alcohol influenced. Stuff like that is fine once in a while --- but any leftover chips the next morning i feed to my pigs or just toss them -- theyre pretty fat too and dont need junk food either. I never gave up beer , but as mentioned - im down to being satisfied with drinking one fancy shitbird beer snob beer, rather than drinking 6 Miller lights. Alcohol is processed by your body slower too so it stays in your stomach longer and has a longer more drawn out effect Im outlining my experiences , but also stating that you may be like my friend the church lady and have very minimal side effects. For me, going to a clinic to have the shots administered has been crucial to my success. The clinic is run by a bunch of RN's and Nurse practitioner that oversees them, so when i go in weekly for my weigh in and shot, i can convey to them what i am feeling and they will tell me their theories on what is going on (eat more carbs if im low on sugar, or suggest that im sodium depleted, etc. ) they also adjust my dosage up if i hit a sticking point . My "before" picture up there would suggest that im not a heavy discipline type of operator, much as i would like to think i am --- ive had to cope with the fact that i am who i am, and if having a support network of lady nurses and cycling coaches i consult with keeps me on the straight and narrow, then so be it. People have pointed out to me that my program "sounds expensive" (basically $400 per month ) - but i am quick to point out that decreased beer consumption probably saves me $200 of that, plus Sunday mornings it used to be common to take my harley out for brunch with a bunch of like minded bike enthusiasts -- a bloody mary and an appetizer can it 50 bucks pretty quick so thats another $200 a month , and i pack my own lunch in the event i go to my office so i dont hit up restaurants for lunch. My break up last fall sucked and i havent met anyone new yet, so i dont spend money on date night meals, and my refrigerator and pantry now looks like a monk lives in my house or something - so i am guessing the savings in those areas more than cancels out the cost of the medicine If i only had 30 or 40 pounds to lose, i wouldnt do this but i was in a pretty bad place -- So for me its been a life changing process View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By streetstar: Originally Posted By D_J: @streetstar Anyhow, appreciate you sharing and would love to hear any more details what worked/did not work for you when it came to the medication (side effects, dosing) and your diet. Prior to starting the semaglutide program i was dabbling with a keto type program -- i was warned that if i stuck with keto and the medicine at the same time, i would run into serious low blood sugar issues because i am not diabetic. The medicine lowers your blood sugar as it was originally intended as a diabetes medicine so if you are eating low carb at the same time it will really mess you up at first. I would try to get in miles on my bike and start getting lightheaded and dizzy. -- because i thought - well, i'll still eat low carb, but if i start feeling weird i'll eat a banana. That was a no go philosophy. First 3 months i lost weight pretty fast , which is typical of any diet i think, but i had cheat days where i would eat a slice or 2 of pizza, or hit a mexican restaurant for some enchiladas --- the amount of food your stomach can process is greatly reduced so if i go to a mexican place , -- i skip the chips and tortillas and just order 2 enchilads (or 2 tacos or whatever) ala carte - because thats all you can process Before, i could down a medium pizza on my own, and a mexican meal meant chips, queso, tortillas, the main entree and a couple of beers and maybe a margarita. I didnt do that frequently, but it was within the realm of possibilities. And a party day could mean 8 beers can get consumed over the course of a day --- now if i am going full throttle and drink 3 - i pay the price, but alcohol in moderation is okay. I didnt have energy for much, and still dont - riding the bike is drudgery and weight training is miserable, but im preparing myself for the day i lose some muscle mass again, it will be time for some more serious strength training, even if it slows down the total gross weight loss The woman who turned me onto this medication and clinic lost 40 pounds with zero side effects. She is a older person (65 i think) and while not sedentary, she just does typical old lady stuff like futz around in her garden and do volunteer work with her church, -- she's not trying to turn any numbers on a mountain bike or walk half marathons or anything . She is on her maintenance dose now and has been holding steady for months Me on the other hand, -- when i first started taking the medication -- the day i would get the shot i quickly learned to just write that day off -- no work, no gym time, no cycling -- i never got the shits, but nausea and dizziness were factors. Im self employed so figuring out ways to work around it were not too bad for me, - Now that im a year in, i am back to eating very low carb - almost none but my body has adjusted to the program. but i do keep clean fast acting carbs like fruit around . It is amazing how fast a couple of bananas can level me out if i am feeling weird. Salt too. One of my quick fixes when i am feeling sodium depleted is chicken bone broth with a heavy dose of sea salt. Leafy and cruciferous veggies and things like peppers do not process well for me now that i am taking this stuff either. I recognize the need for essential vitamins and nutrients from veggies, so drink vegetable juice. I avoid stuff like V8 and get the stuff from Sprouts or Whole Foods that costs too much, but when you look at the ingredient labels, V8 juice has twice as many unpronouncable ingredients Initially i was also eating plenty of cheese for snacks and things - typical keto diet stuff --- but for the last few weeks i have predominately cut out all dairy also. I dont bring stuff home with me and i will admit human frailty by saying i have had party nights where nothing sounds better than some nachos while i am watching Supercross or a football game -- these decisions are usually alcohol influenced. Stuff like that is fine once in a while --- but any leftover chips the next morning i feed to my pigs or just toss them -- theyre pretty fat too and dont need junk food either. I never gave up beer , but as mentioned - im down to being satisfied with drinking one fancy shitbird beer snob beer, rather than drinking 6 Miller lights. Alcohol is processed by your body slower too so it stays in your stomach longer and has a longer more drawn out effect Im outlining my experiences , but also stating that you may be like my friend the church lady and have very minimal side effects. For me, going to a clinic to have the shots administered has been crucial to my success. The clinic is run by a bunch of RN's and Nurse practitioner that oversees them, so when i go in weekly for my weigh in and shot, i can convey to them what i am feeling and they will tell me their theories on what is going on (eat more carbs if im low on sugar, or suggest that im sodium depleted, etc. ) they also adjust my dosage up if i hit a sticking point . My "before" picture up there would suggest that im not a heavy discipline type of operator, much as i would like to think i am --- ive had to cope with the fact that i am who i am, and if having a support network of lady nurses and cycling coaches i consult with keeps me on the straight and narrow, then so be it. People have pointed out to me that my program "sounds expensive" (basically $400 per month ) - but i am quick to point out that decreased beer consumption probably saves me $200 of that, plus Sunday mornings it used to be common to take my harley out for brunch with a bunch of like minded bike enthusiasts -- a bloody mary and an appetizer can it 50 bucks pretty quick so thats another $200 a month , and i pack my own lunch in the event i go to my office so i dont hit up restaurants for lunch. My break up last fall sucked and i havent met anyone new yet, so i dont spend money on date night meals, and my refrigerator and pantry now looks like a monk lives in my house or something - so i am guessing the savings in those areas more than cancels out the cost of the medicine If i only had 30 or 40 pounds to lose, i wouldnt do this but i was in a pretty bad place -- So for me its been a life changing process I finally had time to read this all and appreciate all the detail. Depending on dose size my program would be ~200-250 a month, plus a little extra for extra insulin needles. |
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Originally Posted By D_J: I guess by "maintenance mode" I meant where you stopped increasing the dose. View Quote I can still go up on the mounjaro- I think 2.4 ml was close to maxed out on the straight semaglutide but I’m trying to keep the numbers on the scale moving at the current dose as the next higher dose costs a bit more, which I can justify by the savings I talked about, but it’s still irritating My counterpart who turned me onto this, her maintenance mode is that she still takes a shot but she only gets one once a month not once a week |
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