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LA, USA
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Posted: 4/21/2024 7:42:17 AM EDT
I’ve been looking for a car for my son who will be driving in the next year-year and a half. We still have pleeeenty of time to think about and make decisions.
He has pretty much settled on a mustang with a charger being a possibility also. I like cars and he loves them but we’re not full on car guys. That’s what I need help with… 2003-05 stangs came with the 4.6 as the 8 cyl option. I currently have a 5.0 in my F150 and have always known that’s the engine to have. Can y’all give me some insight to the 4.6? Things to look out for if he decides to full on go for it anyway? |
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Posted: 4/21/2024 8:02:52 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By HEdad: I’ve been looking for a car for my son who will be driving in the next year-year and a half. We still have pleeeenty of time to think about and make decisions. He has pretty much settled on a mustang with a charger being a possibility also. I like cars and he loves them but we’re not full on car guys. That’s what I need help with… 2003-05 stangs came with the 4.6 as the 8 cyl option. I currently have a 5.0 in my F150 and have always known that’s the engine to have. Can y’all give me some insight to the 4.6? Things to look out for if he decides to full on go for it anyway? I will be polite..are you out of your f*cking mind? Most young new licensed kids that drive those end up wrecked or dead. Just go to any High School they have way too many stories. Get him a Toyota Corolla/Camry/Civic/Accord/Rav4/CRV/ or something of that nature.... |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 4/21/2024 8:06:27 AM EDT
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To,bad ya didn't post in GD, lol .
Mustang bad choice for noob. I agree with above poster, get a boring car that's reliable and less likely to mow over a crowd of people |
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LA, USA
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Posted: 4/21/2024 8:19:41 AM EDT
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I know the mustang gets a bad rap due to dumbass people doing dumbass things. My first truck was a dodge dakota with the 5.2 318 which I dropped long throw headers on, full exhaust, intake work and some other things. I trust him and have no doubt he will do stupid stuff at some point- we all have. The base/factory engine isn’t gutless but let’s be realistic. I’m not balancing/blueprinting the engine and adding a supercharger to it before he gets his license
 Would I still be crazy if he got an 8 cyl charger with auto trans? |
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Posted: 4/21/2024 8:26:53 AM EDT
[Last Edit: gqllc]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HEdad: I know the mustang gets a bad rap due to dumbass people doing dumbass things. My first truck was a dodge dakota with the 5.2 318 which I dropped long throw headers on, full exhaust, intake work and some other things. I trust him and have no doubt he will do stupid stuff at some point- we all have. The base/factory engine isn’t gutless but let’s be realistic. I’m not balancing/blueprinting the engine and adding a supercharger to it before he gets his license Would I still be crazy if he got an 8 cyl charger with auto trans? My ex wife got my daughter a Charger with the 6cyl. She totaled it and luckily only minor injuries I got my son a 2002 Honda accord 4cyl...banged the crap out of it but nothing major You are trying to be the cool dad...tell him if he makes it two years without a ticket and without damaging the car you will consider something like a Mustang or a Charger for his 18th birthday....do yourself a favor and do not get him one of these cars as his first...let him earn your trust and respect...We have 4 kids between us with youngest at 22 and oldest at 28. SO we have been around this for a long time...two funerals later in high school....not our kids but their friends....just don't do it for the first car. My wife just said if you love your son then don't do it....peer pressure and inexperience is a bad combination |
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Posted: 4/21/2024 8:33:15 AM EDT
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Used Honda Civic or Accord or similar vehicle for first car. Bonus if its a stick-shift (manual). Listen to the post above me.
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TX, USA
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Posted: 4/21/2024 8:35:55 AM EDT
[Last Edit: RhinelandArms]
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I typed a couple responses out and deleted them.
Best I can say is that when I first started driving, I had access to a new corvette- That was big mistake. If your kid has a lot of self control then excellent on him and maybe your sports car options will work. Driving changed me and I loved it from the minute I got my license. I would under no circumstance buy any type of japanese car thinking your going to get a boring, safe or reliable car, they are none of those in the hands of a capable male teenager. Also, all cars today can have their electronics tuned and pick up a good bit more speed, very easily and all kids know this today. My kid will be getting a big SUV as they no longer make big ass cadillacs with tons of steel. Edit to add, the 4.6 is very solid and can be rebuilt easily etc. It can last a very long time. |
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Posted: 4/21/2024 8:37:24 AM EDT
[Last Edit: fxntime]
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Why don't you start by checking insurance rates on different models and makes of vehicles, not the other way around.
Safety, reliability, longevity, repair costs and easy to maintain in a vehicle is far better then HP and ''cool'' when it comes to a new driver first vehicle. |
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Posted: 4/21/2024 8:45:00 AM EDT
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The 4.6 was a solid, reliable engine.
Sons and Mustangs are not always grave errors. Pic related.  Attached File |
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Posted: 4/21/2024 8:45:58 AM EDT
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4.6 is a good motor. Comes in a 2 valve and a 3 valve. 2005-2010 is rated at 300 hp and 320 lbs torque. 2003-2005 is a 2v and 260 hp and 302 lbs torque. I had a 2012 3.7 v6 convertible. That's a great motor. Loved it.
Stock 305 hp and 280 lbs of torque. I did a cold air intake and a tune non it. Great car. Drove the shit out of it, I put a 150k in it and traded it in on a 2022 GT convertible. The 3.7 has as much hp stock as the previous 4.6 did. But the v6 does sound the same a the v8. Mustangs make Great project cars. TONS of aftermarket parts performance and mod parts at American Muscle and Steeda as well as deals on Craigslist and market place. My 2012 was fairly easy to wrench on. I completely redid the entire suspension as well as some other things. They can be great project cars to work on and mod. |
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Posted: 4/21/2024 8:46:05 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Kraquine]
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The best thing for a new teenaged male driver is something that has the highest safety rating with the lowest RPM. Do you want your child to be cool or safe? |
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USA
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Posted: 4/21/2024 8:48:37 AM EDT
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I have told my kids that as long as I am paying for the car and the insurance, they will be getting a car based on utility and safety. If they want something more, they can pay for it themselves.
There are only two reasons to get a Mustang: appearance and speed, and the appearance part is mostly based on knowing it has speed. New drivers think they know it all and can handle it all, but need way more experience on the road with all sorts of different hazards before they can truly be considered proficient drivers. Putting him in a Mustang to do this learning process would be a huge mistake. He can be successful 99.9% of the time, which is damn good for a kid, but not good enough to put him in a car that has more power than he is ready for. |
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Posted: 4/21/2024 8:53:28 AM EDT
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I would imagine the insurance on either car would be horrific. I can't imagine the safety would be enough to overcome even the best teenage male hormones. An Escort station wagon was too much for me...
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Posted: 4/21/2024 8:54:02 AM EDT
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Insurance rates will be cheaper on a v6 than a v8 as well as gas mileage. The 4.0 v6 is not a great motor. The 3.7 was from 2011 to 2017.
My 2012  Attached File |
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Posted: 4/21/2024 8:55:49 AM EDT
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Take my advice, I have three sons who are all adults now, don't underestimate a boy's ability to have poor judgement and make a mistake with respect to driving. Unfortunately, the consequences can be permanent.
Get your son the safest basic transportation at a reasonable price at first. Anything sporty or fast is inviting him to showoff and get into trouble. As someone else said, after a few years of proven responsibility, perhaps something else. Better yet, make your son work, save, and pay for it himself. That is the only way they truly appreciate what they have. |
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LA, USA
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Posted: 4/21/2024 9:04:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jsg7162: 4.6 is a good motor. Comes in a 2 valve and a 3 valve. 2005-2010 is rated at 300 hp and 320 lbs torque. 2003-2005 is a 2v and 260 hp and 302 lbs torque. I had a 2012 3.7 v6 convertible. That's a great motor. Loved it. Stock 305 hp and 280 lbs of torque. I did a cold air intake and a tune non it. Great car. Drove the shit out of it, I put a 150k in it and traded it in on a 2022 GT convertible. The 3.7 has as much hp stock as the previous 4.6 did. But the v6 does sound the same a the v8. Mustangs make Great project cars. TONS of aftermarket parts performance and mod parts at American Muscle and Steeda as well as deals on Craigslist and market place. My 2012 was fairly easy to wrench on. I completely redid the entire suspension as well as some other things. They can be great project cars to work on and mod. This is what I am looking for, thank you! I plan on him making any improvements on his dime just like I had to do. It’ll be a little bit before I have to really begin to worry and I want him to have a solid car to start with. I’m experienced with the truck motors and the 5.4 triton could be problematic from my understanding. |
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LA, USA
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Posted: 4/21/2024 9:11:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By searchin4shacks: Take my advice, I have three sons who are all adults now, don't underestimate a boy's ability to have poor judgement and make a mistake with respect to driving. Unfortunately, the consequences can be permanent. Get your son the safest basic transportation at a reasonable price at first. Anything sporty or fast is inviting him to showoff and get into trouble. As someone else said, after a few years of proven responsibility, perhaps something else. Better yet, make your son work, save, and pay for it himself. That is the only way they truly appreciate what they have. I understand all of the concerns about young men and driving. No doubt he will make mistakes, he is no more special than any other young man. I have had him driving our sxs for several years now and while it’s not the same, it’s as close and as safe as you can be until an actual vehicle. Full roll cage, seat belts and doors. The plan is the same for the car as the sxs. I/we are NOT tossing him the keys and wishing him well. There will be plenty of driving with us or other very close friends well before he just gets to go. I respect everyone’s opinion on the matter and I understand the caution. I honestly should’ve just asked about the actual car without the kids first car details. |
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Posted: 4/21/2024 9:12:56 AM EDT
[Last Edit: jsg7162]
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The Tritons had problems with the spark plugs get blown out and a couple of other things. I had one that spit a spark out on me. I didn't proof read my original post. The v6 does NOT sound like a v8. I loved the 3.7 but I love my 5.0 more
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WI, USA
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Posted: 4/21/2024 10:15:40 AM EDT
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I have spent the last 18 years in the used car industry. I get these parents all the time. Always trying to be relevant in their kids life coming in looking to spend a bunch of money so their kid can look cool. The first thing I always tell them is the survival rate of a kids first care is somewhere between 0 and 5%. When they ask what I would get for a kids first car, I always default to the 06-14 chevy impala. They are cheap, they are reliable, they are easy to work on, parts are cheap, and with a few little modifications to make it their own they can still be a very sharp looking car so your kid looks cool at school.
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Posted: 4/21/2024 10:21:19 AM EDT
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A mustang would be pretty far down on my list of cars to own period, so getting one for my kid is pretty far off the radar. I think it is a pretty individual decision.
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 4/21/2024 10:43:42 AM EDT
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My youngest has a 2007 F-150 with the 4.2 V6, manual. Pretty decent trucks, easy to work on.
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Posted: 4/21/2024 10:55:05 AM EDT
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FPNI every time. Amazing.
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OH, USA
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Posted: 4/21/2024 11:11:47 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/21/2024 11:13:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HEdad: Would I still be crazy if he got an 8 cyl charger with auto trans? Yes. |
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LA, USA
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Posted: 4/21/2024 12:35:09 PM EDT
[Last Edit: HEdad]
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@jsg7162 @PhuzzyGnu Would y'all recommend one from the early ‘00s or on of the ‘10+ models? Also, how do the manual trans hold up? Are they fairly solid or known for issues?
@RhinelandArms I wanted to give him my F150 and get me a new to me something else. He doesn’t want a truck and I always skipped the fun stuff for practical. His other option is mom’s 2018 suburban, that’s a lot of truck with some blind spots that I don’t like. |
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Posted: 4/21/2024 12:41:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HEdad: @jsg7162 @PhuzzyGnu Would y'all recommend one from the early '00s or on of the '10+ models? Also, how do the manual trans hold up? Are they fairly solid or known for issues? I'm not a Mustang expert. I do know finding a clean used one that hasn't been abused will be a problem. |
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LA, USA
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Posted: 4/21/2024 12:44:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PhuzzyGnu: I'm not a Mustang expert. I do know finding a clean used one that hasn't been abused will be a problem. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PhuzzyGnu: Originally Posted By HEdad: @jsg7162 @PhuzzyGnu Would y'all recommend one from the early '00s or on of the '10+ models? Also, how do the manual trans hold up? Are they fairly solid or known for issues? I'm not a Mustang expert. I do know finding a clean used one that hasn't been abused will be a problem. Yes sir, you and I both. Glad I have so much time and am not in a hurry |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 4/21/2024 12:48:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HEdad: @jsg7162 @PhuzzyGnu Would y'all recommend one from the early ‘00s or on of the ‘10+ models? Also, how do the manual trans hold up? Are they fairly solid or known for issues? @RhinelandArms I wanted to give him my F150 and get me a new to me something else. He doesn’t want a truck and I always skipped the fun stuff for practical. His other option is mom’s 2018 suburban, that’s a lot of truck with some blind spots that I don’t like. The older they are, the slower they are as a general rule of thumb. A factory 2V 4.6 would get smoked by a newer Ecoboost I4. As others have said, the 4.6 drivetrain is pretty tough, see its service in cabs, police cars, F150s, etc. You find a lot of 300k mile 4.6 2Vs. The manual trans cars are no more problematic than the rest, aside from possibly having been flogged more. As another poster said, the V6 cars are not a bad option. The one thing I will say for the Mustang with a young driver is that it has had very good crash ratings from the SN95 on to present. |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 4/21/2024 1:33:55 PM EDT
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I have a 15 year old who just got his learners. His primary transport will be the now retired family car, an 08 scion xb. If I buy him anything it will be a 5 speed import 25-30 years old.
OP have you looked at insurance costs lately? Here in GA the cheapest insurance for a 16 year old male is $5200 a year. Average is closer to $7k. It would be cheaper for them to uber anywhere. |
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Posted: 4/21/2024 2:16:56 PM EDT
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Do NOT buy a mustang, even a v6, as a first car for a teen boy.
I was introverted, boring, and had enough self control my nickname was "Spock". Still got upset enough at a girlfriend that I took the car I was driving, the family 68 Chrysler Newport, air born several times by taking an exit from the highway at high speed and jumping through the intersection on the overpass and back down the entrance road. |
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LA, USA
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Posted: 4/21/2024 6:25:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By VVinci: The older they are, the slower they are as a general rule of thumb. A factory 2V 4.6 would get smoked by a newer Ecoboost I4. As others have said, the 4.6 drivetrain is pretty tough, see its service in cabs, police cars, F150s, etc. You find a lot of 300k mile 4.6 2Vs. The manual trans cars are no more problematic than the rest, aside from possibly having been flogged more. As another poster said, the V6 cars are not a bad option. The one thing I will say for the Mustang with a young driver is that it has had very good crash ratings from the SN95 on to present. Thank you for the info! I don’t know what years the SN95 covers and poking around a little, I’m understanding the S197 cars are 2011-14? The newer cars would/should have better crash ratings than early ‘00s cars which is appealing. I have not begun looking at insurance for him and I don’t want to right now  Insurance was expensive for me when I started driving, it’s part of it. We’ve had the discussion about what he’ll be responsible for and if he puts effort into earning and maintaining, we’ll help
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Posted: 4/21/2024 10:19:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By billth777: I have a 15 year old who just got his learners. His primary transport will be the now retired family car, an 08 scion xb. If I buy him anything it will be a 5 speed import 25-30 years old. OP have you looked at insurance costs lately? Here in GA the cheapest insurance for a 16 year old male is $5200 a year. Average is closer to $7k. It would be cheaper for them to uber anywhere. My son turned 17 in December. His insurance is $220/mo and has been since he was 16. |
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Posted: 4/21/2024 10:40:04 PM EDT
[Last Edit: jsg7162]
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Not an expert but a definite enthusiast. S197 2005-2014. Engine redesign in 2011-12 0n the v6 and v8. Both motors got significant performance upgrades. V8 went back to the 5.0 with the 1st gen coyote motor and hp went to around 420 from about 320 in the 4.6. I really like the s197 body style and the way it handles and drives. My Mustangs are daily drivers. No major mechanical issues with the one. Replaced the water pump, the horn steering wheel clock sping and a radiator fan. Minor shit. I didn't have to rebuild the suspension at 80k but I wanted to do some performance upgrades to it. The sn95 is fine but I like s197 better. If you wind up going with the s197 3.7, a easy cheap upgrade is putting GT rotors and calipers on it. The performance package 3.7 came with the GT rotors and calipers. Cheap easy breaking upgrade. Also found up that if it did not come with the auto on headlights all you have to do is replace it with the automatic headlight control knob . Wiring and sensor is already there, just need the dash knob. 30-40$ part. One thing I didn't like on the s197 was the 2 piece drive shaft. It's a potential failure point of your pushing a lot of HP or speed. Was not an issue for me. There are 1 piece aftermarket drive shafts or drive shaft safety loops that you can get. I never felt the need for either one.
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TX, USA
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Posted: 4/21/2024 11:29:39 PM EDT
[Last Edit: VVinci]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HEdad: Thank you for the info! I don’t know what years the SN95 covers and poking around a little, I’m understanding the S197 cars are 2011-14? The newer cars would/should have better crash ratings than early ‘00s cars which is appealing. I have not begun looking at insurance for him and I don’t want to right now Insurance was expensive for me when I started driving, it’s part of it. We’ve had the discussion about what he’ll be responsible for and if he puts effort into earning and maintaining, we’ll helpSN95 is 1994-2004. Everything since 2005 is an evolution of the same 2004 platform, though admittedly the evolution has been pretty complete. You can check crash ratings on the NHTSA website. 2005-up have a bit better side crash rating, but both the older and new platform have 5* frontal crash ratings. Look here. The biggest difference for safety will be that the vehicle stability control got better in the later cars. IDK what years the increments are though. Also be aware of the version of Sync in the car. Sync I was cranky and fussy ($1 to Microsoft, who coded it), but good for its time. Sync II is much better, and the latest version is as good as anyone's in the business. Also, if you get one with the top option factory sound system, you won't need to spend much of anything on upgrades. |
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CO, USA
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Posted: 4/22/2024 3:47:04 PM EDT
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Who's paying for this?
More importantly, who's paying for the insurance? I'd look at a '93 F150 long-bed with a 5-speed manual. Get good driving and parking that, learn throttle control and responsibility, then let him buy whatever he wants. Whatever you buy it's gonna get wrecked at least once. |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 4/22/2024 5:25:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By D_J: My son turned 17 in December. His insurance is $220/mo and has been since he was 16. @D_J what carrier? Ga Farm quoted me just over $5500 and when I was googling it ( several months ago) the cheapest advertised on google was $5k. Looks like its just under $4500 today. |
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Posted: 4/22/2024 5:43:26 PM EDT
[Last Edit: D_J]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By billth777: @D_J what carrier? Ga Farm quoted me just over $5500 and when I was googling it ( several months ago) the cheapest advertised on google was $5k. Looks like its just under $4500 today. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By billth777: Originally Posted By D_J: My son turned 17 in December. His insurance is $220/mo and has been since he was 16. @D_J what carrier? Ga Farm quoted me just over $5500 and when I was googling it ( several months ago) the cheapest advertised on google was $5k. Looks like its just under $4500 today. State Farm. @billth777 
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MN, USA
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Posted: 4/22/2024 5:46:17 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By HEdad: I’ve been looking for a car for my son who will be driving in the next year-year and a half. We still have pleeeenty of time to think about and make decisions. He has pretty much settled on a mustang with a charger being a possibility also. I like cars and he loves them but we’re not full on car guys. That’s what I need help with… 2003-05 stangs came with the 4.6 as the 8 cyl option. I currently have a 5.0 in my F150 and have always known that’s the engine to have. Can y’all give me some insight to the 4.6? Things to look out for if he decides to full on go for it anyway? He might hate you for this but get him a manual transmission Honda civic or Acura integra or something like that. Tell him it’s because it will separate the boys from the men and that he will want to learn on something like that so he doesn’t need to do a clutch job on a real sports car. Then he will learn to appreciate a real sports car once he learns on this |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 4/23/2024 10:15:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By D_J: State Farm. @billth777 https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/174335/IMG_0008-3195314.png I'll be damned thanks @D_J |
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Posted: 4/23/2024 2:05:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By billth777: I'll be damned thanks @D_J Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By billth777: Originally Posted By D_J: State Farm. @billth777 https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/174335/IMG_0008-3195314.png I'll be damned thanks @D_J NP. Let me know if you want my agent's info. |
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Posted: 4/23/2024 3:45:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SnowMule: Who's paying for this? More importantly, who's paying for the insurance? I'd look at a '93 F150 long-bed with a 5-speed manual. Get good driving and parking that, learn throttle control and responsibility, then let him buy whatever he wants. Whatever you buy it's gonna get wrecked at least once. I don’t think I’d get them a classic truck to start with either. Highly, highly dependent on the kid, and even then I would recommend something pedestrian, at least at first like most have said. I was very responsible through high school but still did speed limiter checks in all my vehicles. And his buddies will definitely goad him to do burnouts and try to drift either of those around a curve. That’s not to say it’s impossible to make it through alive and with an intact car and/or driving record, the odds are just against it. That said, I loved my 06 charger R/T, great car for me. 200k and minimal issues. |
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Posted: 4/23/2024 3:58:11 PM EDT
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Buick LeSabre, Regal, 1997-2003 with the 3.8 gen II V6. Find a nice one, replace the coolant elbow and drive on for another 100K.
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Posted: 4/23/2024 6:12:57 PM EDT
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My first car was an 85 Camaro. I put it in a house being stupid. Luckily it was empty at the time. I would never buy my kids a sports car.
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OH, USA
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Posted: 4/23/2024 6:29:11 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Millennial]
[#43]
How much has he saved up?
Summer's coming up - time to get a job. Tell him you'll double or triple whatever he puts up if it's a car you approve of. I wouldn't give any teenage boy a subcompact or a legit sports car or a motorcycle. That's 'tarded. |
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Posted: 4/23/2024 11:57:40 PM EDT
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Why not a crown vic or 2011-2015 chevy caprice???
There are police caprices for $10K on car gurus. 
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LA, USA
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Posted: 4/27/2024 10:00:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Millennial: How much has he saved up? Summer's coming up - time to get a job. Tell him you'll double or triple whatever he puts up if it's a car you approve of. I wouldn't give any teenage boy a subcompact or a legit sports car or a motorcycle. That's 'tarded. He’s got a little cash saved up. He has also be doing odd and end jobs for cash to get things he wants, but when I say we’ve got plenty of time, he’s not old enough for drivers ed yet. I have been taking him to drive in my truck, learning how to properly park in a space, identifying upcoming obstacles in the roadway, and hazards in neighborhoods. I need to bring him to where my dad had me drive on top the levee. “Son, if you can stay on top this levee, you can stay in your own damn lane” 😂 I’ve never forgotten that in all these years. |
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