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Posted: 4/27/2024 8:21:12 AM EDT
[Last Edit: CVO]
Start about 3:20
 Polk County deputies hurt, suspect killed in shootout |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 8:25:31 AM EDT
[#1]
Sovereign citizens and the other off-shoots are 100% about not paying taxes. Because they typically are democrats in democrat cities they get away with it.
They pay no income tax, real estate taxes, or car registration fees. |
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ME, USA
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Posted: 4/27/2024 8:27:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Paul: Sovereign citizens and the other off-shoots are 100% about not paying taxes. Because they typically are democrats in democrat cities they get away with it. They pay no income tax, real estate taxes, or car registration fees. Good for them. |
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MO, USA
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Posted: 4/27/2024 8:28:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Paul: They pay no income tax, real estate taxes, or car registration fees. Sounds great. Where do I sign? |
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USA
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Posted: 4/27/2024 8:28:49 AM EDT
[#4]
For sovereign citizens broken windows theory refers to their car.
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Posted: 4/27/2024 8:30:53 AM EDT
[#5]
I wonder why they have not released the ID of the guy.
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TN, USA
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Posted: 4/27/2024 8:31:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Paul: Sovereign citizens and the other off-shoots are 100% about not paying taxes. They pay no income tax, real estate taxes, or car registration fees. Are there any meetings in my area or a pamphlet? Perhaps a newsletter that I could subscribe to? |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 8:36:06 AM EDT
[#7]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Aspida1776: Are there any meetings in my area or a pamphlet? Perhaps a newsletter that I could subscribe to? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Aspida1776: Originally Posted By Paul: Sovereign citizens and the other off-shoots are 100% about not paying taxes. They pay no income tax, real estate taxes, or car registration fees. Are there any meetings in my area or a pamphlet? Perhaps a newsletter that I could subscribe to? There’s tons of resources online. However, being a SC often involves violence, with some cop killing involved from time to time. Just depends how far you wanna take it. I’m sure several here are down. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 8:37:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By OscarD: Sounds great. Where do I sign? If you want to pay more in jail time, arrests, fines, car seizures, and having the sheriff and police come deal with you..sure. And in the end you'll still pay taxes. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 4/27/2024 8:39:07 AM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SpacemanSpiff: Good for them. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 8:43:12 AM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Paul: Sovereign citizens and the other off-shoots are 100% about not paying taxes. Because they typically are democrats in democrat cities they get away with it. They pay no income tax, real estate taxes, or car registration fees. Taxation is theft. Paying for vehicle regestrarion is a furthurance of taxation by other means. |
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USA
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Posted: 4/27/2024 8:45:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shootindave: Taxation is theft. Paying for vehicle regestrarion is a furthurance of taxation by other means. So how do you propose common goods be funded? Roads, bridges, and such? |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 8:49:10 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Shootindave]
[#12]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PeepEater: So how do you propose common goods be funded? Roads, bridges, and such? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PeepEater: Originally Posted By Shootindave: Taxation is theft. Paying for vehicle regestrarion is a furthurance of taxation by other means. So how do you propose common goods be funded? Roads, bridges, and such? Where 5% of my taxes go? Thats where you want to prod for debate. Lol. I have professionally audited public spending allocations. You might have that foot stomping discussion with someone else. If you can’t figure out that our tax structure is based upon theft, you pay taxes without following up on their use by looking at tax money allocation. People also don’t even know their total tax liability after paying sales tax on everything under the sun……. Using the income that has already been taxed to buy the goods/services. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 4/27/2024 8:54:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SpacemanSpiff: Good for them. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SpacemanSpiff: Originally Posted By Paul: Sovereign citizens and the other off-shoots are 100% about not paying taxes. Because they typically are democrats in democrat cities they get away with it. They pay no income tax, real estate taxes, or car registration fees. Good for them. Except they do like scamming the gov't to take taxpayer money.  I'm guessing a lot of them like welfare and other gov't benefits as well. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 8:58:02 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Shootindave]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FMJ3: Except they do like scamming the gov't to take taxpayer money. I'm guessing a lot of them like welfare and other gov't benefits as well. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FMJ3: Originally Posted By SpacemanSpiff: Originally Posted By Paul: Sovereign citizens and the other off-shoots are 100% about not paying taxes. Because they typically are democrats in democrat cities they get away with it. They pay no income tax, real estate taxes, or car registration fees. Good for them. Except they do like scamming the gov't to take taxpayer money. I'm guessing a lot of them like welfare and other gov't benefits as well. Yes, they are leaches of welfare funding. Which is no different than institutional inner city social service programming designed to cycle generations of children into poverty dependance. |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 4/27/2024 8:58:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Paul: Sovereign citizens and the other off-shoots are 100% about not paying taxes. Because they typically are democrats in democrat cities they get away with it. They pay no income tax, real estate taxes, or car registration fees. Every American should aspire to do this |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 9:00:23 AM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Paul: Sovereign citizens and the other off-shoots are 100% about not paying taxes. Because they typically are democrats in democrat cities they get away with it. They pay no income tax, real estate taxes, or car registration fees. The one's I've had the pleasure to know and experience were likely conservative kooks. Not democrats. I knew of one who was a "true believer" but most of the rest just pinning some hope on some way to make up for bad luck or poor choices in money management to keep a little bit to themselves so the government wouldn't collapse their world. Many were just plain cons in my estimation. They just didn't want to play the game so they didn't, at least until there was no choice. I would also say most were on the lower end of the I.Q. scale. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 9:07:05 AM EDT
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Moors is a term generally used by Europeans to describe the Muslim people of North Africa and the Iberian Peninsula during the Middle Ages.
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Posted: 4/27/2024 9:09:15 AM EDT
[Last Edit: CVO]
[#18]
He was a Moorish sovereign citizen.
The Moorish sovereign citizen movement, sometimes called the indigenous sovereign citizen movement, is a small sub-group of sovereign citizens that mainly holds to the teachings of the Moorish Science Temple of America, in that that African Americans are descendants of the Moabites and thus are "Moorish" by nationality, and Islamic by faith.[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moorish_sovereign_citizens |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 9:19:49 AM EDT
[Last Edit: California_Kid]
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Here are two YT channels that have a lot of videos showing Sovereign Citizens in action. They're good for laughs. Basically there are two kinds of SC videos - SCs getting owned by police during traffic stops, and SCs getting owned by judges in court.
https://www.youtube.com/@VanBalion https://www.youtube.com/@LawTalkWithMike ETA here are a couple more, less focused on SCs but lots of funny courtroom scenes with pro se dumbassery. https://www.youtube.com/@TeamSkeptic https://www.youtube.com/@CreedenceandMikey |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 9:24:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PeepEater: So how do you propose common goods be funded? Roads, bridges, and such? Commerce. He was only involved in traveling and not commerce. Rules of the sea apply here. |
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KY, USA
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Posted: 4/27/2024 9:28:37 AM EDT
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Not that I really side with sovereign citizens but everyone should be rioting over how badly we're taxed, it's thievery.
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TX, USA
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Posted: 4/27/2024 9:36:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By buckshot_jim: Moors is a term generally used by Europeans to describe the Muslim people of North Africa and the Iberian Peninsula during the Middle Ages. Moops, not Moors. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 9:37:08 AM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SDGlock23: Not that I really side with sovereign citizens but everyone should be rioting over how badly we're taxed, it's thievery. The problem could be solved by people putting more thought into voting, but that's not likely to happen because most people are easily fooled by false promises such as only "the rich" will be taxed. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 9:40:26 AM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SpacemanSpiff: Good for them. Yep. They’re not completely wrong. It’s complicated and clearly outlining what’s wrong and what’s right about them wouldn’t be tolerated here. This place despises nuance. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 9:41:20 AM EDT
[#25]
We are over taxed. The United Kingdom makes us look like pikers, however.
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Posted: 4/27/2024 9:42:04 AM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dagger41: I wonder why they have not released the ID of the guy. From the press conference suspect was described as "Moorish" . I do not think he was from Spain  .
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Posted: 4/27/2024 9:44:09 AM EDT
[Last Edit: flcracker]
[#27]
For clarification, this was a Moorish Sovereign Citizen, not Posse Comitatus or Montana Freemen, and most definitely not someone like Cliven Bundy from the ranch standoff.
(ETA: beat while I was looking them up) |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 9:49:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CAsoldier: For sovereign citizens broken windows theory refers to their car. There was a sovereign citizen in Utah shot when he was pulled over by a small town police dept for no plates nonsense. He eventually pulled a gun and was shot. His mother got him into the SC nonsense. A video eventually surfaced of the same PD pulling her over for the same BS. But they let the mom go. I'm sure, like most parents who get their kids killed in criminal conduct she blames the police. I've known some SC. With some it seems like almost like insanity with a complicated nonsensical belief system. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 9:51:06 AM EDT
[#29]
Are the moors the guys with the fez hats?
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Posted: 4/27/2024 9:55:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Aimless: Are the moors the guys with the fez hats? Yes. The Law Talk With Mike channel has a lot of videos of them, and Mike often puts on a fez in their honor. |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 4/27/2024 9:59:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PeepEater: So how do you propose common goods be funded? Roads, bridges, and such? The same way they did it when income taxes were unconstitutional. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 10:04:35 AM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Aimless: I've known some SC. With some it seems like almost like insanity with a complicated nonsensical belief system. That’s by design. Confuses anyone listening and attract fellow scammers at the same time. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 10:06:12 AM EDT
[Last Edit: cyclone]
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Aspida1776: Are there any meetings in my area or a pamphlet? Perhaps a newsletter that I could subscribe to? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Aspida1776: Originally Posted By Paul: Sovereign citizens and the other off-shoots are 100% about not paying taxes. They pay no income tax, real estate taxes, or car registration fees. Are there any meetings in my area or a pamphlet? Perhaps a newsletter that I could subscribe to? My wife's cousin apparently is one now.......I thought about dressing as a British naval officer from the Colonial period and going to speak to him about Admiralty Courts on Halloween |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 10:06:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shootindave: Taxation is theft. Paying for vehicle regestrarion is a furthurance of taxation by other means.
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Posted: 4/27/2024 10:07:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By flcracker: For clarification, this was a Moorish Sovereign Citizen, not Posse Comitatus or Montana Freemen, and most definitely not someone like Cliven Bundy from the ranch standoff. (ETA: beat while I was looking them up) Nuwabian? |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 4/27/2024 10:08:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CAsoldier: For sovereign citizens broken windows theory refers to their car. Yeah? I'm looking for the downside. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 10:08:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GrizzlyAdams: That's by design. Confuses anyone listening and attract fellow scammers at the same time. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GrizzlyAdams: Originally Posted By Aimless: I've known some SC. With some it seems like almost like insanity with a complicated nonsensical belief system. That's by design. Confuses anyone listening and attract fellow scammers at the same time. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 10:10:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By California_Kid: Yes. The Law Talk With Mike channel has a lot of videos of them, and Mike often puts on a fez in their honor. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By California_Kid: Originally Posted By Aimless: Are the moors the guys with the fez hats? Yes. The Law Talk With Mike channel has a lot of videos of them, and Mike often puts on a fez in their honor. I think the hats are a big plus despite the downside of being shot or arrested |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 10:16:31 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Sixgunner45]
[#39]
My cousin and his dad were "sovereign citizens" when I was growing up.
One time in North Carolina, my and my cousin were out driving in his truck. He was 14, I was 15. We both had a lot of guns and ammo in the truck as we were just out shooting up in the hills. We got pulled over and my 14 year old cousin was asked about a drivers license. He had a whole spiel he stated about how as a sovereign citizen, he didn't need a license, etc... The cops looked throught the truck, saw all the guns and ammo and called it in. 5 minutes later we were sent on our way with a warning for speeding. Worked for him I guess. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 10:28:24 AM EDT
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I wish Sheriff Grady Judd was in charge of all law enforcement.
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Posted: 4/27/2024 10:34:39 AM EDT
[#41]
Sovereign Citizens are fucking lunatics. Taxation sucks, but being dead sucks more.
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Posted: 4/27/2024 10:38:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Londo: So writes a guy who misspells two words in a single sentence. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Londo: Originally Posted By Shootindave: Taxation is theft. Paying for vehicle regestrarion is a furthurance of taxation by other means. And we found the grammer nazi. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 10:42:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By OscarD: Sounds great. Where do I sign? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By OscarD: Originally Posted By Paul: They pay no income tax, real estate taxes, or car registration fees. Sounds great. Where do I sign? Are you Moorish? |
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AL, USA
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Posted: 4/27/2024 10:43:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dagger41: I wonder why they have not released the ID of the guy. Or body cam footage of the whole thing. BTW, they called this guy a "Moorish" (sp?) Sovereign Citizen? That's a new one to my ear. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 4/27/2024 10:46:11 AM EDT
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Loons and grifters who can turn violent at the drop of a hat. My favorite is the one who was shoplifting lunch meat. (stuffed his shirt full) then when approached used his daughter as a human shield.
I always wondered why he had 20 odd packs of baloney and ham in his shirt and didn't steal any bread. 
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TX, USA
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Posted: 4/27/2024 10:49:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JupiterMaximus: And we found the grammer nazi. "Grammar" |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 10:49:30 AM EDT
[#47]
Good shoot. Hope the deputies recover. Fuck the sovereign citizen dipshit, the world is a better place without him.
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Posted: 4/27/2024 10:53:50 AM EDT
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I wonder what percentage of people in GD who post “taxation is theft” collect some form of disability or social security or other entitlement?
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Posted: 4/27/2024 10:54:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By borderpatrol: I wish Sheriff Grady Judd was in charge of all law enforcement. He should have a YouTube channel. His press conferences and one liners are a constant source of entertainment in central Florida. Wonder what his screen name here is? He would fit in |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 10:56:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FightingHellfish: I wonder what percentage of people in GD who post “taxation is theft” collect some form of disability or social security or other entitlement? Social security is not entitlement is is a small fraction of the money being stolen from me given back to me. |
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