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Posted: 4/24/2024 4:20:15 PM EDT
[Last Edit: warlord]
This short vid is really interesting, regarding the F-35 phase array radar antennae. But realize that the F-35 is the stripped down version of the F-22. The Chinese and Russians may have a competing versions of this plane, but I think it is just looks. BTW I wonder if the F-35 processor can play Maple Story at while doing all of that detecting stuff?
The F-35's Stealthy Radar is the key to it's success. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Dr-HlIR481I?feature=share ETA: okay'd, made it hot The F-35's Stealthy Radar is the key to it's success. |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 4:21:24 PM EDT
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Stripped down F-22? It has a 20 year technology difference lol
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Posted: 4/24/2024 4:22:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By burnka871: Stripped down F-22? It has a 20 year technology difference lol FPNI. The F-22 wishes it had the technology of the F-35... |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 4:23:01 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By warlord: This short vid is really interesting, regarding the F-35 phase array radar antennae. But realize that the F-35 is the stripped down version of the F-22. The Chinese and Russians may have a competing versions of this plane, but I think it is just looks. BTW I wonder if the F-35 processor can play Maple Story at while doing all of that detecting stuff? The F-35's Stealthy Radar is the key to it's success. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Dr-HlIR481I?feature=share |
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MI, USA
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Posted: 4/24/2024 4:28:22 PM EDT
[Last Edit: ArmyInfantryVet]
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F-35 is like a Fighter Jet AWACS. Super bad ass. With the integration of being able to direct 4th Gen missile truck's weapons onto target that are too big to fit in the Stealthy internal bays. It's ridiculous.
We've always been at the edge of aircraft design and tactics. But I think we've really left the enemy in the dust, now. |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 4/24/2024 4:31:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chaingun: Geeze warlord, make a link Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chaingun: Originally Posted By warlord: This short vid is really interesting, regarding the F-35 phase array radar antennae. But realize that the F-35 is the stripped down version of the F-22. The Chinese and Russians may have a competing versions of this plane, but I think it is just looks. BTW I wonder if the F-35 processor can play Maple Story at while doing all of that detecting stuff? The F-35's Stealthy Radar is the key to it's success. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Dr-HlIR481I?feature=share |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 4:32:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dorobuta: FPNI. The F-22 wishes it had the technology of the F-35... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dorobuta: Originally Posted By burnka871: Stripped down F-22? It has a 20 year technology difference lol FPNI. The F-22 wishes it had the technology of the F-35... It should have the tech of the F-35 and should still be rolling off the assembly lines |
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KY, USA
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Posted: 4/24/2024 4:36:00 PM EDT
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I'm no fighter pilot, but I play a little Command: Modern Operations, and IMO LPI radar is a super power, and AN/APG-85 will be even better.
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Posted: 4/24/2024 4:38:55 PM EDT
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The F22 wishes it had the F35 avionics suite.
LOL The F35 doesn’t even use a HUD. It’s all in the helmet. You use a sort of VR to see through the aircraft. Even through your feet. People who know the true capacity of the F35s we operate not the ones we sell won’t tell you what they can do. The F35 community is now like the submarine community. Tight lipped. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 4/24/2024 4:38:58 PM EDT
[Last Edit: castlebravo84]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cyclone: It should have the tech of the F-35 and should still be rolling off the assembly lines Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cyclone: Originally Posted By dorobuta: Originally Posted By burnka871: Stripped down F-22? It has a 20 year technology difference lol FPNI. The F-22 wishes it had the technology of the F-35... It should have the tech of the F-35 and should still be rolling off the assembly lines Yeah, and we should have 500 Seawolf class subs, 50 Ford class carriers, at least a half dozen Jupiter class Battlestars, and no taxes whatsoever. |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 4:46:13 PM EDT
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The battle penguin, AKA Fat Amy, is officially the Panther.
I can live with calling it the Panther. |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 4:46:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By castlebravo84: Yeah, and we should have 500 Seawolf class subs, 50 Ford class carriers, at least a half dozen Jupiter class Battlestars, and no taxes whatsoever. Maybe after the human race becomes a Kardeshev 2 level civilization. When an F-22 becomes a rich mans toy. Until then this shit is expensive and no one has any money. Besides what does an F-35 do against the kind of people who can't muster better air defense than a 20mm cannon that a C-130 loaded with bombs literally made of garbage can't do better? |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 4:47:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dorobuta: The battle penguin, AKA Fat Amy, is officially the Panther. I can live with calling it the Panther. The 60% of the time it's mission capable, it works every time. Never heard the Battle 🐧 one before. I kinda like that. |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 4:51:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dorobuta: The battle penguin, AKA Fat Amy, is officially the Panther. I can live with calling it the Panther. I had not heard the “Fat Amy” nickname. That’s awesome! |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 4:59:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cyclone: It should have the tech of the F-35 and should still be rolling off the assembly lines  The F-22 is getting a massive upgrade to stay deadly for years to come |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 5:04:38 PM EDT
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 Lockheed Martin has built 1,000 F-35s (so let's bust some myths) |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 5:19:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hesperus: The 60% of the time it's mission capable, it works every time. Never heard the Battle 🐧 one before. I kinda like that. F-35 driver told me the Battle penguin, when I was commenting that I thought Fat Amy was beautiful.... |
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MT, USA
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Posted: 4/24/2024 5:23:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cyclone: It should have the tech of the F-35 and should still be rolling off the assembly lines Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cyclone: Originally Posted By dorobuta: Originally Posted By burnka871: Stripped down F-22? It has a 20 year technology difference lol FPNI. The F-22 wishes it had the technology of the F-35... It should have the tech of the F-35 and should still be rolling off the assembly lines How about a 2-seat version of the F-22, where the backseater is in charge of all the cool tech (updated to 2020s, not 1990s), including controlling UCAVs and drone swarms, etc. |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 5:28:02 PM EDT
[Last Edit: RattleCanAR]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dorobuta: The battle penguin, AKA Fat Amy, is officially the Panther. I can live with calling it the Panther. Fat Amy. No matter what they say. That has been a thing for few years. The whale at the bar that turns out be mind blowing in bed. The Viper isn’t the name of the F16. Yet, the demo jet is painted like a snake. Those who crew and fly it decide the name. Unless you fly a Mud Hen. Then others named it. |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 5:28:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MtnMusic: How about a 2-seat version of the F-22, where the backseater is in charge of all the cool tech (updated to 2020s, not 1990s), including controlling UCAVs and drone swarms, etc. Cheaper to build a new design. |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 5:31:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ArmyInfantryVet: F-35 is like a Fighter Jet AWACS. Super bad ass. With the integration of being able to direct 4th Gen missile truck's weapons onto target that are too big to fit in the Stealthy internal bays. It's ridiculous. We've always been at the edge of aircraft design and tactics. But I think we've really left the enemy in the dust, now. |
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NH, USA
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Posted: 4/24/2024 5:51:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MtnMusic: How about a 2-seat version of the F-22, where the backseater is in charge of all the cool tech (updated to 2020s, not 1990s), including controlling UCAVs and drone swarms, etc. Why do you need a two seater if the plane can fly itself? The "pilot" in future fighters is really going to be a WSO telling his plane and his drones what to do and letting them handle the maneuvering. |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 6:05:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hater: Don't we think the Chinese have already stolen all the technology? They got blueprints on structural designs and it's been a money sink for them to try and figure it out. They don't have the capability to design/engineer/produce an F35 even if we gave them everything. |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 6:09:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By southerncross: They got blueprints on structural designs and it's been a money sink for them to try and figure it out. They don't have the capability to design/engineer/produce an F35 even if we gave them everything. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By southerncross: Originally Posted By Hater: Don't we think the Chinese have already stolen all the technology? They got blueprints on structural designs and it's been a money sink for them to try and figure it out. They don't have the capability to design/engineer/produce an F35 even if we gave them everything. Yeah, just because you have the plans that doesn't mean you can make the thing. The engines are the most jarring example. The Chinese cannot replicate something like the GE-129 engine that powers an F-16. So their aircraft look like old people scrabbling to climb into the air as opposed to leaping off a runway like western fighters do. They have been putting a lot of work into addressing this though. I think the J-20 uses domestic made engines instead of Russian engines. |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 6:11:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RattleCanAR: The F22 wishes it had the F35 avionics suite. LOL The F35 doesn’t even use a HUD. It’s all in the helmet. You use a sort of VR to see through the aircraft. Even through your feet. People who know the true capacity of the F35s we operate not the ones we sell won’t tell you what they can do. The F35 community is now like the submarine community. Tight lipped. The F117 bunch was like that, even more. |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 6:17:08 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/24/2024 7:27:26 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Grendelsbane]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MtnMusic: How about a 2-seat version of the F-22, where the backseater is in charge of all the cool tech (updated to 2020s, not 1990s), including controlling UCAVs and drone swarms, etc. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MtnMusic: Originally Posted By cyclone: Originally Posted By dorobuta: Originally Posted By burnka871: Stripped down F-22? It has a 20 year technology difference lol FPNI. The F-22 wishes it had the technology of the F-35... It should have the tech of the F-35 and should still be rolling off the assembly lines How about a 2-seat version of the F-22, where the backseater is in charge of all the cool tech (updated to 2020s, not 1990s), including controlling UCAVs and drone swarms, etc. Minus the speed and maneuverability, isn’t that a B-21? |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 7:28:07 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By warlord: But realize that the F-35 is the stripped down version of the F-22. |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 7:36:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hater: Don't we think the Chinese have already stolen all the technology? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hater: Originally Posted By ArmyInfantryVet: F-35 is like a Fighter Jet AWACS. Super bad ass. With the integration of being able to direct 4th Gen missile truck's weapons onto target that are too big to fit in the Stealthy internal bays. It's ridiculous. We've always been at the edge of aircraft design and tactics. But I think we've really left the enemy in the dust, now. They have their own copy |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 7:37:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RattleCanAR: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/255381/Image_1_jpeg-3196990.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/255381/Image_2_jpeg-3196991.JPG Look familiar except for the shitty Harbor Freight motors of course? All they can do is copy |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 7:53:51 PM EDT
[Last Edit: wheel]
[#30]
Phased array radars are not new. Large ones are used in PAVE PAWS early warning radar installations that monitor US air space, and smaller ones have been fitted into B-52's, F16's, etc. Search for "AESA radar" and you'll see the history. Of course the F-35 system is superior in some ways, more powerful CPU's, more efficient emitters, etc. But the principle is the same. Also used on many ships today including carriers, AEGIS cruisers, etc.
  ETA: Another example, we're phasing out AWACS with a mechanically rotating radar to replace it with the "Wedge Tail" that uses AESA. Nobody would design a new military aircraft today using a mechanical radar.  :quality(70)/cloudfront-us-east-1.images.arcpublishing.com/archetype/GSI6QVND2NGQ7G5JJ2NGXLKFFQ.jpg) . |
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TN, USA
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Posted: 4/24/2024 8:22:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hesperus: Yeah, just because you have the plans that doesn't mean you can make the thing. The engines are the most jarring example. The Chinese cannot replicate something like the GE-129 engine that powers an F-16. So their aircraft look like old people scrabbling to climb into the air as opposed to leaping off a runway like western fighters do. They have been putting a lot of work into addressing this though. I think the J-20 uses domestic made engines instead of Russian engines. They’re rolling out the WS-15s that allow for super cruise on the J-20s now. Big upgrade. Not sure in what capacity, or if they are reliable though. |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 8:28:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By xXGearheadXx: They’re rolling out the WS-15s that allow for super cruise on the J-20s now. Big upgrade. Not sure in what capacity, or if they are reliable though. Supercruise... Great. That should give them the confidence to start trying to kick some metaphorical 10 year old boys teeth in. |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 8:45:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By xXGearheadXx: They’re rolling out the WS-15s that allow for super cruise on the J-20s now. Big upgrade. Not sure in what capacity, or if they are reliable though. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By xXGearheadXx: Originally Posted By Hesperus: Yeah, just because you have the plans that doesn't mean you can make the thing. The engines are the most jarring example. The Chinese cannot replicate something like the GE-129 engine that powers an F-16. So their aircraft look like old people scrabbling to climb into the air as opposed to leaping off a runway like western fighters do. They have been putting a lot of work into addressing this though. I think the J-20 uses domestic made engines instead of Russian engines. They’re rolling out the WS-15s that allow for super cruise on the J-20s now. Big upgrade. Not sure in what capacity, or if they are reliable though. A Chinese super cruising jet engine?  |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 4/24/2024 8:46:52 PM EDT
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The Chinese plan to deal with F22s and F16s is to kill them on the ground.
Because they can't do it when they are in the air. |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 8:48:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MtnMusic: How about a 2-seat version of the F-22, where the backseater is in charge of all the cool tech (updated to 2020s, not 1990s), including controlling UCAVs and drone swarms, etc. 1990s tech? Only if we are talking about stuff from the likes of Cray, etc. And mission systems have only advanced from there. |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 8:48:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIMARS13A: The Chinese plan to deal with F22s and F16s is to kill them on the ground. Because they can't do it when they are in the air. The way they are invading, and with their navy, they may be able to pull it off. |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 8:52:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ArmyInfantryVet: F-35 is like a Fighter Jet AWACS. Super bad ass. With the integration of being able to direct 4th Gen missile truck's weapons onto target that are too big to fit in the Stealthy internal bays. It's ridiculous. We've always been at the edge of aircraft design and tactics. But I think we've really left the enemy in the dust, now. In a nutshell. Yes. Good description. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 4/24/2024 8:54:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BillyDBerger: The way they are invading, and with their navy, they may be able to pull it off. Agreed, but that's not the F35s fault, it's Congress and the GOFOs. |
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OK, USA
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Posted: 4/24/2024 8:56:15 PM EDT
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Makes sense. Radar is like light. Imagine being in a dark forest with an enemy. If no one has a flashlight, you two just stumble in the dark until you bump into each other. Radar is like having a flashlight. You can detect someone from a distance with it. However, the enemy also has a general idea of where you are too. Stealthy radar would be a flashlight that only you can see. Basically like having NVGs.
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Posted: 4/24/2024 8:58:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Josh: A Chinese super cruising jet engine? Think they could pull that off in 100 years? How about 30? |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 9:01:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIMARS13A: Agreed, but that's not the F35s fault, it's Congress and the GOFOs. I agree. |
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USA
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Posted: 4/24/2024 9:04:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cyclone: It should have the tech of the F-35 and should still be rolling off the assembly lines Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cyclone: Originally Posted By dorobuta: Originally Posted By burnka871: Stripped down F-22? It has a 20 year technology difference lol FPNI. The F-22 wishes it had the technology of the F-35... It should have the tech of the F-35 and should still be rolling off the assembly lines It’s alright. It will start being phased out in 2030 to make room for the NGAD fighter. Can’t wait to see that one. In the meantime, we will just have to enjoy the fact that we have the finest air force on the planet. The F22 first flew 27 years ago. China and Russia put up the best they could offer, the J20 and SU57. Even with all the time and effort they spent, neither plane is stealthy. They couldn’t get their stolen tech to work. China still can’t build a decent engine for the J20. The F22 can run circles around them. We learned quite a bit from the F22 program and it provided great security for our country even if we only built 195 of the intended 750. The rest of the world is still scared shitless of it. Best of all, we have equally impressive pilots to go with it. |
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SC, USA
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Posted: 4/24/2024 9:09:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hesperus: Yeah, just because you have the plans that doesn't mean you can make the thing. The engines are the most jarring example. The Chinese cannot replicate something like the GE-129 engine that powers an F-16. So their aircraft look like old people scrabbling to climb into the air as opposed to leaping off a runway like western fighters do. They have been putting a lot of work into addressing this though. I think the J-20 uses domestic made engines instead of Russian engines. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hesperus: Originally Posted By southerncross: Originally Posted By Hater: Don't we think the Chinese have already stolen all the technology? They got blueprints on structural designs and it's been a money sink for them to try and figure it out. They don't have the capability to design/engineer/produce an F35 even if we gave them everything. Yeah, just because you have the plans that doesn't mean you can make the thing. The engines are the most jarring example. The Chinese cannot replicate something like the GE-129 engine that powers an F-16. So their aircraft look like old people scrabbling to climb into the air as opposed to leaping off a runway like western fighters do. They have been putting a lot of work into addressing this though. I think the J-20 uses domestic made engines instead of Russian engines. I work in composites fabrication. There's a ton of art behind the science and the detail design to turn some burnt string and glue into a functional structure. And that's not even getting into the chemistry of the resin. That's black magic, even to me. |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 9:18:54 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Krombompulos_Michael]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By xXGearheadXx: They’re rolling out the WS-15s that allow for super cruise on the J-20s now. Big upgrade. Not sure in what capacity, or if they are reliable though. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By xXGearheadXx: Originally Posted By Hesperus: Yeah, just because you have the plans that doesn't mean you can make the thing. The engines are the most jarring example. The Chinese cannot replicate something like the GE-129 engine that powers an F-16. So their aircraft look like old people scrabbling to climb into the air as opposed to leaping off a runway like western fighters do. They have been putting a lot of work into addressing this though. I think the J-20 uses domestic made engines instead of Russian engines. They’re rolling out the WS-15s that allow for super cruise on the J-20s now. Big upgrade. Not sure in what capacity, or if they are reliable though. They produce far less thrust than desired and reliability is low. The WS15 overheats easily and can’t sustain its maximum output for long without damaging the engine. They still rely heavily on the Russian Saturn AL31FN engines that are used in the SU27. Russia wouldn’t sell them just the engines though. They have to buy the entire plane then use the engine from it. They were eventually able to copy the engine. They have been on a learning curve since and made the WS10 then the WS15. They can’t make enough WS15’s for all the J20’s and can’t rely on them for combat. China has had to acknowledge that the J20 isn’t what it was supposed to be. They said they have the technology, but their workers lack the skill to build it still. The J20 is a steaming puddle of diarrhea. It is reverse engineered from US stealth tech and Russian engines. Truly a Harbor Freight level of engineering. |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 9:28:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DeltaV42: I work in composites fabrication. There's a ton of art behind the science and the detail design to turn some burnt string and glue into a functional structure. And that's not even getting into the chemistry of the resin. That's black magic, even to me. I've been reading a book called when the heavens went on sale. Where they spend some time talking about how Rocket Lab worked their way around ITAR restrictions to build their rockets. It makes for a pretty strange story how a NZ company has now put multiple US National Reconnaissance Office payloads in orbit. |
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SC, USA
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Posted: 4/24/2024 9:39:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hesperus: I've been reading a book called when the heavens went on sale. Where they spend some time talking about how Rocket Lab worked their way around ITAR restrictions to build their rockets. It makes for a pretty strange story how a NZ company has now put multiple US National Reconnaissance Office payloads in orbit. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hesperus: Originally Posted By DeltaV42: I work in composites fabrication. There's a ton of art behind the science and the detail design to turn some burnt string and glue into a functional structure. And that's not even getting into the chemistry of the resin. That's black magic, even to me. I've been reading a book called when the heavens went on sale. Where they spend some time talking about how Rocket Lab worked their way around ITAR restrictions to build their rockets. It makes for a pretty strange story how a NZ company has now put multiple US National Reconnaissance Office payloads in orbit. Making something is one thing. Making it at high rate is another thing entirely. |
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AL, USA
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Posted: 4/25/2024 2:51:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hesperus: I've been reading a book called when the heavens went on sale. Where they spend some time talking about how Rocket Lab worked their way around ITAR restrictions to build their rockets. It makes for a pretty strange story how a NZ company has now put multiple US National Reconnaissance Office payloads in orbit. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hesperus: Originally Posted By DeltaV42: I work in composites fabrication. There's a ton of art behind the science and the detail design to turn some burnt string and glue into a functional structure. And that's not even getting into the chemistry of the resin. That's black magic, even to me. I've been reading a book called when the heavens went on sale. Where they spend some time talking about how Rocket Lab worked their way around ITAR restrictions to build their rockets. It makes for a pretty strange story how a NZ company has now put multiple US National Reconnaissance Office payloads in orbit. |
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Posted: 4/25/2024 3:03:31 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Capt-Planet]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RattleCanAR: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/255381/Image_1_jpeg-3196990.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/255381/Image_2_jpeg-3196991.JPG Look familiar except for the shitty Harbor Freight motors of course? That's a KF-21. South Korean designed fighter. Lockheed is literally helping them design it and was authorized to transfer some aspects of F35 designs to them. So yeah, it looks like an F-35 in some aspects. Plus, South Korea bought F35s, too. And it uses GE engines. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 4/25/2024 3:41:23 AM EDT
[#49]
Russia and China can make look alike planes but they won't come close to the performance of the F-35 and its systems. Not even close.
A look at the Russian Superjet 100 aka SU-95 and Chinese ARJ-21 and C919 airliners shows the capabilities of Russia and China. These planes use a lot of Western systems and parts, they are not all Russian or Chinese. Yes, these airliners are in regular service but they are not competitive in operating costs and availability rate. Superjet is much like the Airbus A-220, which was the Bombardier C series. Airlines in the West have not been able to make money using the Superjet. ARJ-21 is basically the DC-9, MD-80 design, it would not be profitable in the West. Boeing 717 is much like a modern update of the DC-9-30 and it is profitable for Delta and HAL. C919 is sort of a clone of the A320 and B737 planes. It had significant redesign before entering into service. China Eastern has five in service I don't think anybody else is flying them. C919 will never compete with A320 series and the B737 series. The economics are just not there. Cloning airliners did not work for Russia and China, cloning far more complicated F-35s and F-22s won't work either. |
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Posted: 4/25/2024 3:46:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cyclone: It should have the tech of the F-35 and should still be rolling off the assembly lines Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cyclone: Originally Posted By dorobuta: Originally Posted By burnka871: Stripped down F-22? It has a 20 year technology difference lol FPNI. The F-22 wishes it had the technology of the F-35... It should have the tech of the F-35 and should still be rolling off the assembly lines Japan wanted to pay for exactly that, and the US told them no. |
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