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Posted: 5/5/2024 2:41:12 AM EDT
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Well. Last time I said why I thought about them their owners a mod decided to put a comment against my account. Soooo I’ll just be nice and say - Better options exist, their innovation is long eclipsed by others and they are a sad example of what they could be. By failing to innovate better designed and concepts have evolved to the point that there are better options now. Unless you live in CA and can only pick off their “Roster”
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Posted: 5/5/2024 9:45:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mudholestomper: Pistols are ghey. Specs on rifle? I agree in principle. But, there's a reason there are framing hammers and finish hammers. Armalite AR-10 Carbine, Samson rail, SLR adjustable gas block, YHM Resonator K, Slash XH Carbine buffer, Sprinco Red AR-10 spring, Magpul crap, Geissele DMR, MI 20 MOA scope mount, cheapo Trijicon Accupower 4-16. The rifle runs like a sewing machine. It hovers just over MOA with hand loads and the factory pencil profile chrome-lined barrel. A 20 round mag opens it up obviously. Good enough for blaxting steel and whacking a coyote at a few hundred yards. |
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Posted: 5/5/2024 9:46:47 AM EDT
[#3]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Keekleberrys: Frying pan finish glocks were perfect. The new finish makes me sick. I learned in this thread that color coordination of firearms and designer gloves are mandatory for maximum performance. |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 5/5/2024 10:01:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 19ontheslide: The only thing that keeps me from being a CZ fanboi is that I'm not wild about replacing slide stops every 2,000 rounds. Other than that.....mmmm, perfect! 🙄 Having the barrel lock into the ejection window is a better system than internal locking lugs. Also polymer is better than steel for the frame. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 5/5/2024 10:07:22 AM EDT
[#5]
The stock MOS plate is trash. Replace it immediately. I use FCD plates.
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Posted: 5/5/2024 10:13:00 AM EDT
[#6]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DrRemulak: I agree it’s a Glock but would choose the G17. Same. Mine explodes varmints:  Attached File |
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Posted: 5/5/2024 10:14:14 AM EDT
[#7]
Low key Trijicon thread.
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WI, USA
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Posted: 5/5/2024 10:14:20 AM EDT
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If a Glock is to be called perfect, it’s gotta be the 23.
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Posted: 5/5/2024 10:27:23 AM EDT
[#9]
Woooo glocks with dots!
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Posted: 5/5/2024 10:27:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CharlesRyan: The stock MOS plate is trash. Replace it immediately. I use FCD plates. I know some people have had failures but my G34 has a metric shitload of rounds through it without issue. Not sure if it's attributed to meatheads stressing the screws or what. |
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Posted: 5/5/2024 10:30:32 AM EDT
[Last Edit: lokifox]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lungbuster: Same. Mine explodes varmints: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/196752/IMG_5440_jpeg-3206007.JPG Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lungbuster: Originally Posted By DrRemulak: I agree it’s a Glock but would choose the G17. Same. Mine explodes varmints: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/196752/IMG_5440_jpeg-3206007.JPG The newer factory Glock barrels are silly accurate and they feed. I wish they would make factory G20 and G40 threaded barrels. |
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Posted: 5/5/2024 10:30:35 AM EDT
[#12]
Which one of those is supposed to be perfect?
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Posted: 5/5/2024 10:32:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BMSMB: Which one of those is supposed to be perfect? The 329PD needs a red dot so it's only 87% perfect. |
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USA
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Posted: 5/5/2024 10:32:37 AM EDT
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Wrong caliber and Gen, but you got the idea kid👍🏻
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TX, USA
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Posted: 5/5/2024 10:34:30 AM EDT
[#15]
I'd say the G19 is about as close as you can get to the perfect combination of size, capacity, power, and reliability - whether you like Glocks or not.
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Posted: 5/5/2024 10:34:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 19ontheslide: The only thing that keeps me from being a CZ fanboi is that I'm not wild about replacing slide stops every 2,000 rounds. Other than that.....mmmm, perfect! 🙄 I never had a slide stop fail... I did dryfire my way through like 10 trigger reset springs though. |
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Posted: 5/5/2024 10:36:58 AM EDT
[Last Edit: FoxValleyTacDriver]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By riverrockar: 10mm guys are just the crossfit guys of guns. You take that back! |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 5/5/2024 10:39:27 AM EDT
[Last Edit: tsg68]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jackslack: Glocks are becoming the 1911 of the striker world but with different ergo's At least 1911's have style and function. Glocks are very simply style and function. They’re post-modern design, modern manufacturing and singular. May not be your particular preference but to say they don’t have that is disingenuous. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 5/5/2024 10:40:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dmk0210: If there is a perfect handgun. It's definitely not a Glock.  I'm thinking it's a CZ. https://i.imgur.com/yb99AuI.jpeg CZ can’t even make a durable slide stop. |
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USA
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Posted: 5/5/2024 10:48:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NachoDip: Well. Last time I said why I thought about them their owners a mod decided to put a comment against my account. Soooo I’ll just be nice and say - Better options exist, their innovation is long eclipsed by others and they are a sad example of what they could be. Serious question: what are they? Suppose I'm a mutant that finds the Glock ergonomics work the best for me, what are my options that keep the overall Glock ergonomics but improve over Glock in some ways? Other than Glock gen3 clones of dubious reliability. |
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IN, USA
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Posted: 5/5/2024 10:59:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FoxValleyTacDriver: You take that back! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FoxValleyTacDriver: Originally Posted By riverrockar: 10mm guys are just the crossfit guys of guns. You take that back! Would you feel better if I called them the Harley Davidson riders of the gun world? |
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Posted: 5/5/2024 11:09:29 AM EDT
[#22]
Why do you only keep five rounds in your pistol?
Is it a Mexico thing? |
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Posted: 5/5/2024 11:09:52 AM EDT
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Posted: 5/5/2024 11:11:02 AM EDT
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I guess Glocks are okay for folks with uneducated hands and fingers. Too bad they point at the stars for the rest of us.
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Posted: 5/5/2024 11:11:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Currahee: Why do you only keep five rounds in your pistol? Is it a Mexico thing? Bad math homie. But I respect your right to count in your own way. |
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Posted: 5/5/2024 11:15:43 AM EDT
[#26]
Yep, 1911's are perfect.
Over the decades I've bought and sold dozens of different pistols always on the look out for something. Then I bought a 1911. I haven't felt the need or desire to buy another handgun since, and have no desire to shoot any of the others I still have except for the Uberti S&W Model 3 replica.  Weird I know. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 5/5/2024 11:32:37 AM EDT
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No
The HK USP series is the best |
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Posted: 5/5/2024 11:54:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lokifox: Bad math homie. But I respect your right to count in your own way. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lokifox: Originally Posted By Currahee: Why do you only keep five rounds in your pistol? Is it a Mexico thing? Bad math homie. But I respect your right to count in your own way.  Attached File |
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Posted: 5/5/2024 12:00:57 PM EDT
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Love my G40. I have a spare Polymer 80 45 grip frame I haven't done anything with. Thinking of doing a G20 with it. Already have one G21 Poly80 done.
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Posted: 5/5/2024 12:03:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By riverrockar: 10mm guys are just the crossfit guys of guns. Vegans |
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Posted: 5/5/2024 12:05:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Currahee: Sorry, I thought all defensive ammo came in a 5x5 box. So the question is slightly changed, why only 4 rounds? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/55313/IMG_4447_jpeg-3206097.JPG Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Currahee: Originally Posted By lokifox: Originally Posted By Currahee: Why do you only keep five rounds in your pistol? Is it a Mexico thing? Bad math homie. But I respect your right to count in your own way. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/55313/IMG_4447_jpeg-3206097.JPG Because that's what it took to top off the magazine from the other boxes I was shooting. The A-Frames shoot insanely well although they're not nuclear. Plenty for a nightstand affair. Hard-cast hand loaded nuclear loads for da bears. I imagine they went to the 20 round box to extract maximum profit from the consumer. I wouldn't be running these if they hadn't been a screaming deal (AKA less than I could buy the component bullets for at wholesale). These are marketed as a hunting round BTW. You should only need two per year. One to verify zero, and one to fill your tag. 
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Posted: 5/5/2024 12:11:09 PM EDT
[Last Edit: DDDDCheapAF]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CarlosC: I'd say the G19 is about as close as you can get to the perfect combination of size, capacity, power, and reliability - whether you like Glocks or not. As far as utility, parts availability and reliability I wouldn’t pick anything else if I could only choose one . Thats close enough to perfect for me . |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 5/5/2024 12:26:27 PM EDT
[Last Edit: tsg68]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AeroE: I guess Glocks are okay for folks with uneducated hands and fingers. Too bad they point at the stars for the rest of us. That’s because you aren’t adaptable. My father always taught me that you are the flexible component of any weapons platform, your ability to shoot is on you. The firearm does just fine without you. |
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Posted: 5/5/2024 12:44:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SafetyFirst: I mean, I like Glocks too OP but I can think of a few other handguns that would be closer to perfect than the Glock 20. But hey, different strokes for different folks. This, Glock for sure but I don’t play with 10mm. Still a good thread OP! |
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Posted: 5/5/2024 1:21:10 PM EDT
[Last Edit: buck19delta]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 50cal: Love my G40. I have a spare Polymer 80 45 grip frame I haven't done anything with. Thinking of doing a G20 with it. Already have one G21 Poly80 done. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/89/image000000-3025922.jpg Iv got a G-40 Iv had for at least 8 years and been planning to hunt with it but just can never seem to get around to buying a optic for it / set it up for hunting.  Iv been picking up optics lately though and next purchase will be a holosun / rmr to put on it so I can hunt with it this year. I really want to set it up like this, just can’t find the lone wolf alpha wolf bull nose compensator as they are discontinued.  . I want the wrap around design and ONLY want vertical ports like pictured / DONT want side ports.  Attached File |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 5/5/2024 1:24:01 PM EDT
[#36]
Ahh, yes. The missionary position of the gun world.
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MI, USA
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Posted: 5/5/2024 1:46:30 PM EDT
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90% of handguns are awesome. As a secondary tool to a rifle, I absolutely prefer a G45. Staccato P is another good choice but decided I hate external manual safeties on pistols.
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OH, USA
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Posted: 5/5/2024 1:50:38 PM EDT
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The perfect handgun would be an HK USP in 10mm!
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WI, USA
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Posted: 5/5/2024 7:17:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SavageSlackie: I'm glad it works for you... Until you try a CZ and realize how much better it can be. CZ is without a doubt the most overrated brand in the world. I have yet to find a CZ 75 / SP01 /P01 that doesn't look like dog shit on the inside. The tool marks and chatter all over the sear cage assembly, slide, trigger bar, hammer and strut have to be intentional, no way modern manufacturing can be that bad. Unnecessarily long trigger pull. Incredibly heavy, gritty, stacking trigger. Each of my guns must had had 4 "walls". $400 later, 3 grits of sand paper, Dremel + flitz and it finally feels like a normal, modern gun. Is everyone afraid to say the emperor has no clothes? |
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Posted: 5/5/2024 9:45:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MKEman: CZ is without a doubt the most overrated brand in the world. I have yet to find a CZ 75 / SP01 /P01 that doesn't look like dog shit on the inside. The tool marks and chatter all over the sear cage assembly, slide, trigger bar, hammer and strut have to be intentional, no way modern manufacturing can be that bad. Unnecessarily long trigger pull. Incredibly heavy, gritty, stacking trigger. Each of my guns must had had 4 "walls". $400 later, 3 grits of sand paper, Dremel + flitz and it finally feels like a normal, modern gun. Is everyone afraid to say the emperor has no clothes? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MKEman: Originally Posted By SavageSlackie: I'm glad it works for you... Until you try a CZ and realize how much better it can be. CZ is without a doubt the most overrated brand in the world. I have yet to find a CZ 75 / SP01 /P01 that doesn't look like dog shit on the inside. The tool marks and chatter all over the sear cage assembly, slide, trigger bar, hammer and strut have to be intentional, no way modern manufacturing can be that bad. Unnecessarily long trigger pull. Incredibly heavy, gritty, stacking trigger. Each of my guns must had had 4 "walls". $400 later, 3 grits of sand paper, Dremel + flitz and it finally feels like a normal, modern gun. Is everyone afraid to say the emperor has no clothes? CZ makes a fine handgun. Pistols are super utilitarian for me though so I Glocks kind of win. SAO handguns are easier to shoot well, but personal preference leans striker fired with no safety. I’m to the point now that I really don’t like safeties. On the flip side, a three-position safety on a hunting rifle is my preference. People who understand backcountry hunting will get it. |
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Posted: 5/5/2024 10:06:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By perfectsilence: Based https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/469899/IMG_8828_jpeg-3205838.JPG You ungrooved, then you re-grooved...not sure how to feel about this... |
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Posted: 5/5/2024 10:27:14 PM EDT
[#42]
Negative.
The DWX is the perfect handgun. |
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Posted: 5/5/2024 10:29:13 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Alex_F]
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Too much 10mm, not enough 9mm.
Originally Posted By Lungbuster: Same. Mine explodes varmints: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/196752/IMG_5440_jpeg-3206007.JPG lol, this is fine but oh lord save us if someone posts a nipple |
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Posted: 5/5/2024 11:30:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rocket442: The perfect handgun would be an HK USP in 10mm! Make one. It’s pretty easy. Or… just get a USP45 and load it with 45Super/450SMC. |
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Posted: 5/5/2024 11:47:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryWut the fuk is that |
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ID, USA
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Posted: 5/6/2024 12:11:48 AM EDT
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I have a G20 but I am seriously considering the FN510. I really enjoy the shooting the FN509.
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Posted: 5/6/2024 8:55:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LeadBreakfast: You ungrooved, then you re-grooved...not sure how to feel about this... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LeadBreakfast: Originally Posted By perfectsilence: Based https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/469899/IMG_8828_jpeg-3205838.JPG You ungrooved, then you re-grooved...not sure how to feel about this... Feels surprisingly good in the hand. |
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Posted: 5/6/2024 9:07:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 19ontheslide: The only thing that keeps me from being a CZ fanboi is that I'm not wild about replacing slide stops every 2,000 rounds. Other than that.....mmmm, perfect! 🙄 Quit believing everything you hear on the internet |
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Posted: 5/6/2024 9:10:19 AM EDT
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It's difficult for me to take this "perfect handgun" post seriously when it's a 10mm loaded with a sub 500 ft-lb load.
 You should have posted a picture of a Glock 22/23. |
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Posted: 5/6/2024 9:10:39 AM EDT
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Beretta 92 would like to raise its hand about perfection.
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