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Posted: 4/27/2024 11:56:30 AM EDT
tools are like $390...I bet Ryobi could make one for under $200, but would prolly undercut the Milkwaukee sales
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Posted: 4/27/2024 11:57:46 AM EDT
[#1]
Rent one?
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Posted: 4/27/2024 11:59:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 1975: Rent one? I don't rent tools....I buy them. Then every time I need the tool again I pay myself rent. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 12:01:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By midcap: I don't rent tools....I buy them. Then every time I need the tool again I pay myself rent. You must be getting rich, man! I like money! |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 12:03:19 PM EDT
[Last Edit: sitdwnandhngon]
[#4]
People are using them for butt stuff too...drives the prices up.
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USA
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Posted: 4/27/2024 12:05:18 PM EDT
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Funny thread timing, I need to buy one.
They will basically pay for themselves after a Single use considering what it would cost for a plumbing service call 
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Posted: 4/27/2024 12:13:56 PM EDT
[#6]
Those tools are for the PEX-A , right? Where there’s no clips or restricting connectors right?
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TX, USA
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Posted: 4/27/2024 12:26:15 PM EDT
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Dual purpose.
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Posted: 4/27/2024 12:39:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ecarl4100: Those tools are for the PEX-A , right? Where there’s no clips or restricting connectors right? Yes. You aren't putting the crimps on with these. Expansion only. |
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USA
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Posted: 4/27/2024 12:40:39 PM EDT
[Last Edit: JaredC1]
[#9]
I BELIEVE it’s because Milwaukee bought the patent from uphonor.
When they did the hand tool version doubled in price and almost forced our hands to buy the cordless version. Which was brilliant because Milwaukee knew contractors don’t want to run two battery systems so most guys switched over to Milwaukee. Milwaukee has completely dominated the pro industry for last 5-8 years this way. At least in the service trades. I bet I have an easy 5 grand in batteries alone at this point. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 12:51:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By midcap: I don't rent tools....I buy them. Then every time I need the tool again I pay myself rent. I've read this beautiful sentence over and over, it resonates with me in a way that makes me feel like I'm finally not alone. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 12:54:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By midcap: I don't rent tools....I buy them. Then every time I need the tool again I pay myself rent. lol I bet you bought the boat, the airplane, and you're married too 
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CO, USA
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Posted: 4/27/2024 12:56:17 PM EDT
[Last Edit: contract]
[#12]
DO NOT BUY THE Milkwaukee one.
I have owned 4x and they have ALL failed at the motor/head connection. Warranty is useless/a hassle to wait/drop off/get approval/etc. Just not worth it. Most tools break after the warranty anyways. Everyone knows warranties are a scam to begin with.  I use the old school hand one now. OR Go dewalt. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 1:03:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By contract: ...I use the old school hand one now. OR Go dewalt.  you've done it now |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 1:09:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By midcap: I don't rent tools....I buy them. Then every time I need the tool again I pay myself rent. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 1:18:35 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By midcap: tools are like $390...I bet Ryobi could make one for under $200, but would prolly undercut the Milkwaukee sales But then you’d have to use heavy, awkward, hi-vis green harry Homeowner shit, and not be a member of the Chad level, ergonomically superior red tool master race. |
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USA
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Posted: 4/27/2024 1:20:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LexConcord: But then you’d have to use heavy, awkward, hi-vis green harry Homeowner shit, and not be a member of the Chad level, ergonomically superior red tool master race. You mean Hilti, right? You must mean Hilti. |
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ME, USA
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Posted: 4/27/2024 1:21:25 PM EDT
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The hand expanders work fine for small jobs especially if it is all 1/2"
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Posted: 4/27/2024 1:25:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Echd: You mean Hilti, right? You must mean Hilti. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Echd: Originally Posted By LexConcord: But then you’d have to use heavy, awkward, hi-vis green harry Homeowner shit, and not be a member of the Chad level, ergonomically superior red tool master race. You mean Hilti, right? You must mean Hilti. I still use my Hilti’s on bigger stuff, like drilling a 6” core in a foundation. Whatever the M’s can’t efficiently do, Hilti can. I don’t use my Hilti’s as much as I used to though. Still good to know I have them when I need them. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 6:47:34 PM EDT
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PEX expander is the kind of tool that the pro's use, and only a few homeowners. Ryobi is after the homeowner market, so don't ever expect them to make one.
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Posted: 4/28/2024 12:08:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sitdwnandhngon: People are using them for butt stuff too...drives the prices up. https://i.makeagif.com/media/7-21-2021/_a8sfE.gif You need help. |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 9:36:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By richzrx: You need help. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By richzrx: Originally Posted By sitdwnandhngon: People are using them for butt stuff too...drives the prices up. https://i.makeagif.com/media/7-21-2021/_a8sfE.gif You need help. I said, what what, in the butt |
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NY, USA
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Posted: 4/29/2024 9:49:45 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Fatboy148]
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Originally Posted By midcap: tools are like $390...I bet Ryobi could make one for under $200, but would prolly undercut the Milkwaukee sales After using the hand model for years (before the powered version was out), it sure put a smile on my face the first time I pulled on that switch. Be warned, the only time I had issues was when I did a job in NC and sand got into the grease of the expander. It took a bit to get that cleaned out before I could put fresh grease on it. Looks like Dewalt has entered the game too but the price isn't any/much better/different. Might be better if you are in that system though.... https://www.supplyhouse.com/Dewalt-DCE400B-20V-Max-Lithium-Ion-Cordless-PEX-Expansion-Tool-Kit-w-1-2-3-4-and-1-Heads ETA... To answer your original question, why doesn't Ryobi make it too? Well, Milwaukee and Ryobi are literally owned by the same company dealing with two different types of clients. |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 9:51:05 AM EDT
[#23]
M12 FTW
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USA
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Posted: 4/29/2024 9:54:11 AM EDT
[#24]
Anything is pex expander if you're brave enough.
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Posted: 4/29/2024 9:59:41 AM EDT
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CO, USA
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Posted: 4/29/2024 10:01:59 AM EDT
[#26]
I have one I could let go of for a fair price. I only used to to plumb my current house.
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Posted: 4/29/2024 10:03:21 AM EDT
[#27]
It's called paying the tool tax. I do it all the time. If I don't have the tool for the job it's almost always cheaper to just buy the tool than pay a professional with the tool to come do the job for you.
So buy the tool. Now you have it forever and the next time you need it you're good to go. |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 10:27:09 AM EDT
[#28]
The Dewalt ones are out of stock at the big stores, and also $350ish.
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Posted: 4/29/2024 10:31:22 AM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Fatboy148: After using the hand model for years (before the powered version was out), it sure put a smile on my face the first time I pulled on that switch. Be warned, the only time I had issues was when I did a job in NC and sand got into the grease of the expander. It took a bit to get that cleaned out before I could put fresh grease on it. Looks like Dewalt has entered the game too but the price isn't any/much better/different. Might be better if you are in that system though.... https://www.supplyhouse.com/Dewalt-DCE400B-20V-Max-Lithium-Ion-Cordless-PEX-Expansion-Tool-Kit-w-1-2-3-4-and-1-Heads ETA... To answer your original question, why doesn't Ryobi make it too? Well, Milwaukee and Ryobi are literally owned by the same company dealing with two different types of clients. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Fatboy148: Originally Posted By midcap: tools are like $390...I bet Ryobi could make one for under $200, but would prolly undercut the Milkwaukee sales After using the hand model for years (before the powered version was out), it sure put a smile on my face the first time I pulled on that switch. Be warned, the only time I had issues was when I did a job in NC and sand got into the grease of the expander. It took a bit to get that cleaned out before I could put fresh grease on it. Looks like Dewalt has entered the game too but the price isn't any/much better/different. Might be better if you are in that system though.... https://www.supplyhouse.com/Dewalt-DCE400B-20V-Max-Lithium-Ion-Cordless-PEX-Expansion-Tool-Kit-w-1-2-3-4-and-1-Heads ETA... To answer your original question, why doesn't Ryobi make it too? Well, Milwaukee and Ryobi are literally owned by the same company dealing with two different types of clients. I would probably get the DeWalt model because I already has the batteries. I own nothing Milwaukee |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 10:31:52 AM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By baz67: I have one I could let go of for a fair price. I only used to to plumb my current house. Which one and how much would you part ways with it for? @baz67 |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 10:32:39 AM EDT
[#31]
I bought one to run 1/2” ID lines to my hose-bibs, then to assemble my automatic irrigation system for my raised beds. It is pretty amazing.
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Posted: 4/29/2024 10:32:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By adrock1: It's called paying the tool tax. I do it all the time. If I don't have the tool for the job it's almost always cheaper to just buy the tool than pay a professional with the tool to come do the job for you. So buy the tool. Now you have it forever and the next time you need it you're good to go. Yeah I am in need of it to plumb my garage with air and water. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 4/29/2024 10:34:29 AM EDT
[#33]
Ryobi needs to get in the game.
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Posted: 4/29/2024 10:44:57 AM EDT
[Last Edit: p3590]
[#34]
This seems like a great opportunity for Harbor Freight to make one, based on their Earthquake XT impact, they can actually spec out decent chicom cordless tools if they want to.
ETA: You can get adaptors to go from any of the 18-20V Lithium tool brands to each other, so I'd just run Milwaukee batteries on it, like I do with the Dewalt and Ryobi tools I have. |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 10:47:50 AM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By p3590: This seems like a great opportunity for Harbor Freight to make one, based on their Earthquake XT impact, they can actually spec out decent chicom cordless tools if they want to. ETA: You can get adaptors to go from any of the 18-20V Lithium tool brands to each other, so I'd just run Milwaukee batteries on it, like I do with the Dewalt and Ryobi tools I have. I honestly don't understand HF's fucking cordless tool marketing strategy. Who ever came up with it is retarded and I am being kind. It makes zero sense when you compare it to it's competitors. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 4/29/2024 10:48:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LexConcord: But then you’d have to use heavy, awkward, hi-vis green harry Homeowner shit, and not be a member of the Chad level, ergonomically superior red tool master race. Next thing you know he will start dissing Toyota. |
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CO, USA
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Posted: 4/29/2024 10:57:39 AM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By midcap: Which one and how much would you part ways with it for? @baz67 Check your PMs @midcap |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 4/29/2024 10:59:45 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Echd: You mean Hilti, right? You must mean Hilti. I will never buy hilti products ever again- their jackhammers have forced service intervals at 250hrs where they completely shut down until you sent them out to hilti to be inspected, repaired, and reset the timer at your cost Dewalt master race for cordless, Bosch for corded |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 11:19:28 AM EDT
[#39]
Buy used. The tool isn't rocket science, and plenty of people buy the tool then resell it after the job is done.
Usually beats the price of renting, especially if it's a weeks long job like a whole house plumb. |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 11:21:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By midcap: I honestly don't understand HF's fucking cordless tool marketing strategy. Who ever came up with it is retarded and I am being kind. It makes zero sense when you compare it to it's competitors. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By midcap: Originally Posted By p3590: This seems like a great opportunity for Harbor Freight to make one, based on their Earthquake XT impact, they can actually spec out decent chicom cordless tools if they want to. ETA: You can get adaptors to go from any of the 18-20V Lithium tool brands to each other, so I'd just run Milwaukee batteries on it, like I do with the Dewalt and Ryobi tools I have. I honestly don't understand HF's fucking cordless tool marketing strategy. Who ever came up with it is retarded and I am being kind. It makes zero sense when you compare it to it's competitors. As far as I can tell, they have a mix of decent (the impact) and utter shit tools, taking a vast variety of different proprietary batteries. |
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OR, USA
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Posted: 4/29/2024 11:25:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sitdwnandhngon: People are using them for butt stuff too...drives the prices up. https://i.makeagif.com/media/7-21-2021/_a8sfE.gif  Attached File |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 4/29/2024 11:27:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By contract: DO NOT BUY THE Milkwaukee one. I have owned 4x and they have ALL failed at the motor/head connection. Warranty is useless/a hassle to wait/drop off/get approval/etc. Just not worth it. Most tools break after the warranty anyways. Everyone knows warranties are a scam to begin with. I use the old school hand one now. OR Go dewalt. The virax one is fine for half and three quarter, even one inch isn't bad but once you step up to bigger pex you're not doing it by hand. I have yet to have either the m12 or m18 tool break, I have had a head get a bur that caused leaks and that was it. Though I do 100% commercial so I don't do huge volumes of copper, the biggest problem I've had with m12s is guys stealing the batteries for their jackets. |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 11:28:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sitdwnandhngon: People are using them for butt stuff too...drives the prices up. https://i.makeagif.com/media/7-21-2021/_a8sfE.gif 
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Posted: 4/29/2024 11:35:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By p3590: I agree. If I was running it, among other things, I'd make it straight up take DeWalt or Milwaukee batteries (there's no patent issue with the battery slots), and have the adaptors right next to it to use other batteries. As far as I can tell, they have a mix of decent (the impact) and utter shit tools, taking a vast variety of different proprietary batteries. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By p3590: Originally Posted By midcap: Originally Posted By p3590: This seems like a great opportunity for Harbor Freight to make one, based on their Earthquake XT impact, they can actually spec out decent chicom cordless tools if they want to. ETA: You can get adaptors to go from any of the 18-20V Lithium tool brands to each other, so I'd just run Milwaukee batteries on it, like I do with the Dewalt and Ryobi tools I have. I honestly don't understand HF's fucking cordless tool marketing strategy. Who ever came up with it is retarded and I am being kind. It makes zero sense when you compare it to it's competitors. As far as I can tell, they have a mix of decent (the impact) and utter shit tools, taking a vast variety of different proprietary batteries. exactly its a fucking cluster fuck...I really would like to know who the people behind that idea were, because they really never ever should be in charge of anything ever again. HF business model has always been, decent tools at good prices. They did not follow that with their coordless stuff. |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 4/29/2024 1:04:24 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By midcap: I don't rent tools....I buy them. Then every time I need the tool again I pay myself rent. I needed an AC clutch tool, autozone had one for rent, told her to go ahead and order a replacement one because I wasn't planning on returning it. She said okay, It still has a lifetime warranty |
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NM, USA
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Posted: 4/29/2024 1:21:35 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JaredC1: I BELIEVE it’s because Milwaukee bought the patent from uphonor. When they did the hand tool version doubled in price and almost forced our hands to buy the cordless version. Which was brilliant because Milwaukee knew contractors don’t want to run two battery systems so most guys switched over to Milwaukee. Milwaukee has completely dominated the pro industry for last 5-8 years this way. At least in the service trades. I bet I have an easy 5 grand in batteries alone at this point. I bought the DeWalt tool with no battery and bought an adapter for Ridgid batteries, which I have a ton of. |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 5:39:05 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By irons04: I bought the DeWalt tool with no battery and bought an adapter for Ridgid batteries, which I have a ton of. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By irons04: Originally Posted By JaredC1: I BELIEVE it’s because Milwaukee bought the patent from uphonor. When they did the hand tool version doubled in price and almost forced our hands to buy the cordless version. Which was brilliant because Milwaukee knew contractors don’t want to run two battery systems so most guys switched over to Milwaukee. Milwaukee has completely dominated the pro industry for last 5-8 years this way. At least in the service trades. I bet I have an easy 5 grand in batteries alone at this point. I bought the DeWalt tool with no battery and bought an adapter for Ridgid batteries, which I have a ton of. I really need to get an adapter to run all my Ryobi batteries on my Dewalts |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 5:46:13 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By midcap: I really need to get an adapter to run all my Ryobi batteries on my Dewalts Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By midcap: Originally Posted By irons04: Originally Posted By JaredC1: I BELIEVE it's because Milwaukee bought the patent from uphonor. When they did the hand tool version doubled in price and almost forced our hands to buy the cordless version. Which was brilliant because Milwaukee knew contractors don't want to run two battery systems so most guys switched over to Milwaukee. Milwaukee has completely dominated the pro industry for last 5-8 years this way. At least in the service trades. I bet I have an easy 5 grand in batteries alone at this point. I bought the DeWalt tool with no battery and bought an adapter for Ridgid batteries, which I have a ton of. I really need to get an adapter to run all my Ryobi batteries on my Dewalts  
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Posted: 4/29/2024 5:50:05 PM EDT
[#49]
I have the Milwaukee and it’s a great tool. Run a lot of waterlines for the greenhouse, barn, field hydrants over the years with it.
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Posted: 4/29/2024 5:50:39 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By p3590: That's the ugliest direction to adapt since the Ryobi battery has the tall post part, but it exists. www.amazon.com/dp/B0CG38PFLN Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By p3590: Originally Posted By midcap: Originally Posted By irons04: Originally Posted By JaredC1: I BELIEVE it's because Milwaukee bought the patent from uphonor. When they did the hand tool version doubled in price and almost forced our hands to buy the cordless version. Which was brilliant because Milwaukee knew contractors don't want to run two battery systems so most guys switched over to Milwaukee. Milwaukee has completely dominated the pro industry for last 5-8 years this way. At least in the service trades. I bet I have an easy 5 grand in batteries alone at this point. I bought the DeWalt tool with no battery and bought an adapter for Ridgid batteries, which I have a ton of. I really need to get an adapter to run all my Ryobi batteries on my Dewalts www.amazon.com/dp/B0CG38PFLN OH HELL YEAH! |
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