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Posted: 4/24/2024 1:23:15 AM EDT
Plain and simple. If you can't carry a gun and ammo there, it's a shithole country. I don't care how pretty the beach is or how nice the hotel is. But if you gotta go check your luggage carefully.
https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/turks-and-caicos-ammo-prison-sentence-american-tourists/ American tourist facing possible 12 year prison sentence after ammo found in luggage in Turks and Caicos Valerie Watson returned to Oklahoma City's Will Rogers World Airport in tears on Tuesday morning in a drastic departure from how she imagined her long weekend trip to Turks and Caicos would end. Watson is home, but her husband, Ryan Watson, is in jail on the island and facing a potential mandatory minimum sentence of 12 years behind bars after airport security allegedly found four rounds of hunting ammo in his carry-on bag earlier this month. Last year, a judge found Michael Grim from Indiana had "exceptional circumstances" when he pleaded guilty to accidentally having ammunition in his checked bag. He served almost six months in prison. "No clean running water. You're kind of exposed to the environment 24/7," he told CBS News. "Mosquitoes and tropical illnesses are a real concern. There's some hostile actors in the prison." The judge was hoping to send a message to other Americans. "[His] sentencing was completely predicated on the fact that I was an American," Grim said. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 4/24/2024 1:26:09 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Beretta_Jerry]
[#1]
Didn't have enough bribe money or refused to accept their request for a bribe.
Eta: not denying shithole status |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 4/24/2024 1:30:27 AM EDT
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These types of countries? Fucking states in OUR OWN COUNTRY will fuck you over if they find ammo.
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Posted: 4/24/2024 1:31:52 AM EDT
[#3]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FloydGeneBallin: These types of countries? Fucking states in OUR OWN COUNTRY will fuck you over if they find ammo. Shithole states added to the list. |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 1:40:04 AM EDT
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When I was doing a lot of traveling I had dedicated traveling bags- my old North Face Base Camp duffels and messenger bags and two carry on sized day packs (a Kelty Redwing and a Chinese Arc'teryx knockoff) are never used to carry hunting/gun stuff. Why? Because I know that I do not want to risk ending up in a foreign jail or even being stopped and questioned if whatever system they have in place "detects" anything of interest. No interest in new TNF DIE approved gear but those old bags (I've got three different sizes plus two different sized messenger bags) have been through hell and they've all held up great.
I absolutely love travel, including to out of the way backwater countries, but you have to use a bit of sense. 
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Posted: 4/24/2024 4:18:37 AM EDT
[#5]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FloydGeneBallin: These types of countries? Fucking states in OUR OWN COUNTRY will fuck you over if they find ammo. "Basketball player nods" meme here. |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 4:28:53 AM EDT
[#6]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Beretta_Jerry: Didn't have enough bribe money or refused to accept their request for a bribe. Eta: not denying shithole status Bribes were a way of life in West Africa. |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 4:36:19 AM EDT
[#7]
I've done enough traveling around the world to know that the most beautiful places are right here in the US.
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Posted: 4/24/2024 4:42:03 AM EDT
[#8]
sheeeeeeit
try new jersey |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 4/24/2024 4:42:06 AM EDT
[Last Edit: VaniB]
[#9]
He's an idiot. Probably would also leave his pistol on the toilet tank in a public bathroom.
Yea, who the hell wants to go to a country with pretty beaches full of 3rd world ghetto people when there's safer places to go? But either way, only an ignoramus has never heard about the serious penalties for arms related items brought to these places. I have little compassion for people that are so scatterbrained. |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 5:01:42 AM EDT
[#10]
I'm sure Amnesty International will be all over this one.
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Posted: 4/24/2024 5:06:23 AM EDT
[Last Edit: juslearnin]
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One of the scariest moments of my life was when they found about 10 .22 shells in the pocket of my jacket at the airport in Port au Prince Haiti. I had gone through security twice in the United States and they had not been found. On the way out of Haiti, they found them.
When I left the United States, I had worked an overnight shift, went home, grabbed all my stuff and headed straight to the airport. It did not even occur to me that there might be some 22 shell in my jacket pocket. I was suddenly surrounded by security, my passport was taken away and for 30 minutes I thought I was going to jail in Haiti. I have never prayed so hard in my life. The friend I was traveling with who spoke Creole was able to convince them that I was “a hunter“ and that was an accident. They gave me back my passport and away I went. |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 5:14:33 AM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FloydGeneBallin: These types of countries? Fucking states in OUR OWN COUNTRY will fuck you over if they find ammo. |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 7:29:16 AM EDT
[#13]
PSGWSP
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GBR
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Posted: 4/24/2024 7:37:20 AM EDT
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I found several. 223 cases in my carry on bag after the bag had been scanned on departure and scanned on arrival in Marakesh.
Cases were dumped in a public litter bin in the city. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 4/24/2024 7:41:21 AM EDT
[#15]
Sounds like we need some no-travel advisories and to cut off aid to them.
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Posted: 4/24/2024 7:42:37 AM EDT
[#16]
DON’T EVER TAKE YOUR RANGE BAG ANYWHERE BUT THE RANGE!!!!!
A friend I flew with was a reserve deputy on his days off and a Federal Flight Deck Officer. He did a Mexico City trip and they found a couple 10mm rounds in his backpack. He ALMOST ended up in prison—had he not been a FFDO he would have. Dumb mistake. |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 7:44:24 AM EDT
[Last Edit: runcible]
[#17]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Beretta_Jerry: Didn't have enough bribe money or refused to accept their request for a bribe. |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 7:48:30 AM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By VaniB: ? But either way, only an ignoramus has never heard about the serious penalties for arms related items brought to these places. I have little compassion for people that are so scatterbrained. |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 7:53:07 AM EDT
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There are very few places I would like to see in this world outside the U.S. but you have to be smart/conscientious about what you have in your bags/person when traveling outside our borders. It's bad enough we have states that will prosecute you for something similar. Many people don't realize how much other countries/people don't like us and their rules are not ours. Some will seek out an American to prosecute just to say they have.
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Posted: 4/24/2024 8:01:14 AM EDT
[Last Edit: AbleArcher]
[#20]
The long house had a really good podcast with a guy who did hard labor there for bringing a glock mag into the country.
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Posted: 4/24/2024 8:02:23 AM EDT
[#21]
The reason you don't go to those countries is they have effective laws that they're willing to enforce.
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AK, USA
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Posted: 4/24/2024 8:07:41 AM EDT
[#22]
I went from Alaska to Perth Australia with a small camo camelbac backpack.
I found a .44 mag shell in Perth, made it through 4 security check points. |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 8:10:52 AM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Paul: The reason you don't go to those countries is they have effective laws that they're willing to enforce. Nah, they're pretty shitty too. Just my own experience. Not saying there aren't crappy places in the US. The big difference is...mainland vs. island. Maybe a mental state for me and knowing a bunch of people who lived/worked on the islands. What a freaking weird situation of human trafficking, money laundering, and ripping everyone off. |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 8:19:05 AM EDT
[#24]
Originally Posted By bodybagger: Plain and simple. If you can't carry a gun and ammo there, it's a shithole country.  Freedom shit hole. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 4/24/2024 8:23:03 AM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AA717driver: DON’T EVER TAKE YOUR RANGE BAG ANYWHERE BUT THE RANGE!!!!! A friend I flew with was a reserve deputy on his days off and a Federal Flight Deck Officer. He did a Mexico City trip and they found a couple 10mm rounds in his backpack. He ALMOST ended up in prison—had he not been a FFDO he would have. Dumb mistake. This. It's really not a difficult concept Buy a 2nd bag |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 8:25:07 AM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FloydGeneBallin:
These types of countries? Fucking states in OUR OWN COUNTRY will fuck you over if they find ammo. |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 8:31:34 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Bollocks44]
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Posted: 4/24/2024 8:33:24 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Hunduh]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Paul: The reason you don't go to those countries is they have effective laws that they're willing to enforce. Yeah they are really going to show that criminal that they mean business. Put that bad guy in jail and throw away the key. |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 8:38:41 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Bollocks44]
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Posted: 4/24/2024 8:39:48 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Crazyascanbe]
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Originally Posted By Hunduh: Originally Posted By Paul: The reason you don't go to those countries is they have effective laws that they're willing to enforce. Yeah they are really going to show that criminal that they mean business. Put that bad guy in jail and throw away the key. It made me buy different bags for different things so it is working for them People are to cheap to buy just travel bags. Cost the man 12 years of his life for being cheap. For all the people that will read my post Buy different bags and dedicate them for one thing. |
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ARG
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Posted: 4/24/2024 8:42:22 AM EDT
[#31]
Stupid hurts... Their country, their laws.
We should start enforcing our laws. The USA would be a better place.  Accountant |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 8:49:39 AM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Paul: The reason you don't go to those countries is they have effective laws that they're willing to enforce. What a novel concept. |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 8:53:49 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wgjhsafT: Nah, they're pretty shitty too. Just my own experience. Not saying there aren't crappy places in the US. The big difference is...mainland vs. island. Maybe a mental state for me and knowing a bunch of people who lived/worked on the islands. What a freaking weird situation of human trafficking, money laundering, and ripping everyone off. We sailed around the BVI for a bit last month, flew in/out of St Thomas. Jesus. Every fucking time I turned around someone was trying to shake me down for money. It’s really off-putting. |
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MS, USA
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Posted: 4/24/2024 8:54:23 AM EDT
[#34]
That is why these types of countries should be bombed and then made into the American islands. We’re a first world super power, we should act like it.
It’s against our best interest to have retards living so close to our nation’s borders. |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 4/24/2024 8:56:30 AM EDT
[#35]
This is part of the reason I own so many bags/packs. I usually buy a new one for air travel, it gets used to take ammo or something to the range, I get nervous, buy a new bag for the next time I fly. Nothing that has held magazines, ammo, or even targets gets used to travel. I see it as cheap insurance and I’m never lacking a bag.
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Posted: 4/24/2024 8:57:14 AM EDT
[#36]
Yeah, I've never understood people who use bags for hunting / range duty and for vacations. You have separate stuff for a reason.
Also check your bags before you pack them And yes the sentence is absolutely ridiculous. |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 9:03:55 AM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Glocked: That is why these types of countries should be bombed and then made into the American islands. We’re a first world super power, we should act like it. It’s against our best interest to have retards living so close to our nation’s borders. Turks and Caicos is British, so I imagine they’d get their crumpets in a twist if we bombed it. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 4/24/2024 9:07:34 AM EDT
[#38]
Plain and simple. If you can't carry a gun and ammo there, it's a shithole country. I don't care how pretty the beach is or how nice the hotel is. Ditto about the shithole states comment. |
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MS, USA
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Posted: 4/24/2024 9:08:56 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Glocked]
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ege: Turks and Caicos is British, so I imagine they’d get their crumpets in a twist if we bombed it. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ege: Originally Posted By Glocked: That is why these types of countries should be bombed and then made into the American islands. We’re a first world super power, we should act like it. It’s against our best interest to have retards living so close to our nation’s borders. Turks and Caicos is British, so I imagine they’d get their crumpets in a twist if we bombed it. Wouldn’t be the first time. What is that progressive country going to do, will the British hate us more? |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 9:14:48 AM EDT
[#40]
As opposed to all the States you can fly to with ammo in your carry on?
The dude was a moron. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 4/24/2024 9:15:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dogsplat: sheeeeeeit try new jersey No thanks. I flew to PA last year for a wildlife capture CE, had my 1911 and a backup with extra magazines for both in my checked bags. Flight was supposed to land in Newark for a 30 minute delay, then on to PA. Once on the ground in Newark, they said we had to disembark and claim our luggage, then transfer to another plane. I declined to claim my bag. They got nasty about it, but I told them I had checked it through to PA and that's where they could deliver it. Period. LOts of arguing later, I got on the plane and departed. My bag was on the carousel when I arrived in PA. I have no way of knowing for sure, but my guess is I would have been arrested for illegal firearms had I claimed possession of my guns in NJ that day. Something seemed mighty weird about the encounter. |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 9:27:35 AM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By M4A1: I've done enough traveling around the world to know that the most beautiful places are right here in the US.  |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 4/24/2024 9:32:49 AM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Glocked: That is why these types of countries should be bombed and then made into the American islands. We’re a first world super power, we should act like it. It’s against our best interest to have retards living so close to our nation’s borders. If we must be an Empire, then do Empire things. Have "American citizen" = "Roman citizen" , circa 50 AD. Not this weird amalgam of the worst of both. I've had to pick brass out of bags and, occasionally, my car before. (Range bag is open, brass bounces into it. Put bag in car, bag tips over, brass falls out. Worse than those "stickers" plant seeds that get on your clothes hiking....) |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 9:32:59 AM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Paul: The reason you don't go to those countries is they have effective laws that they're willing to enforce. |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 4/24/2024 9:33:22 AM EDT
[#45]
Wow, that is a hard lesson to learn.
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USA
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Posted: 4/24/2024 9:36:21 AM EDT
[#46]
Something like this could put quite the damper on those vacay photo's she was going to upload to her fb profile
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USA
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Posted: 4/24/2024 9:42:13 AM EDT
[Last Edit: miseses]
[#47]
Once you get past the border of most these countries there's virtually no controls. I only bring passport, cash, clothes, and maybe camping gear through borders. If you need anything else go into market and buy it, you can buy literally ANYTHING in most of the 3rd world markets, especially latam / Caribbean / middle east. Dump it all, including and especially your cell phone and electronics, before exiting.
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Posted: 4/24/2024 9:42:19 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Bollocks44]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hunduh: 
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Posted: 4/24/2024 9:48:24 AM EDT
[#49]
She can get out for the right price.
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Posted: 4/24/2024 9:50:32 AM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ambridge77: Bribes Fixed |
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