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Posted: 4/19/2024 4:41:30 PM EDT
The Federal Aviation Administration and United Airlines are investigating how a person traveling with a Major League Baseball team was seen sitting in the captain's chair of the cockpit during the team's flight from Denver to Toronto. The incident occurred during a charter flight operated by United on April 10 for the Colorado Rockies, people familiar with the matter said. A Rockies representative didn't respond to requests for comment. A spokesman for the FAA said the agency is investigating the event. Federal regulations restrict who can access the flight deck rules that were tightened after Sept. 11, 2001. In a video posted to social media and later removed, a man appears sitting at the controls of a Boeing 757, mimicking pushing the plane's yoke and giving the thumbs-up. The video, which people familiar with the matter said showed the incident, was also posted to YouTube earlier this week. It isn't clear how long the man was sitting up front. "We're deeply disturbed by what we see in that video, which appears to show an unauthorized person in the flight deck at cruise altitude while the autopilot was engaged," United Airlines said. "As a clear violation of our safety and operational policies, we've reported the incident to the FAA and have withheld the pilots from service while we conduct an investigation." |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 4:43:42 PM EDT
[#1]
Social media once again is why we can’t have nice things. Or fun.
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TN, USA
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Posted: 4/19/2024 4:44:18 PM EDT
[#2]
Did he like gladiator movies?
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WA, USA
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Posted: 4/19/2024 4:54:31 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/19/2024 4:59:02 PM EDT
[#4]
Video?
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Posted: 4/19/2024 5:04:41 PM EDT
[#5]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BullpupFan: Social media once again is why we can't have nice things. Or fun. In 1997 this wouldn't have even made the news. In 2024 it's global outrage. They chartered the entire flight, not like the general population was sitting in the back. |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 4/19/2024 5:12:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SuperSixOne: Pretty much. In 1997 this wouldn't have even made the news. In 2024 it's global outrage. They chartered the entire flight, not like the general population was sitting in the back. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SuperSixOne: Originally Posted By BullpupFan: Social media once again is why we can't have nice things. Or fun. In 1997 this wouldn't have even made the news. In 2024 it's global outrage. They chartered the entire flight, not like the general population was sitting in the back. In the 1990 we used to refer to cruise ship passengers as "The Borg" because they all walked around with a camcorder over one eye video tapping everything. |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 4/19/2024 5:13:41 PM EDT
[#7]
Deeply disturbed.
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KY, USA
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Posted: 4/19/2024 5:26:39 PM EDT
[#8]
My Dad did that stunt a looooooong time ago.
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Posted: 4/19/2024 5:28:41 PM EDT
[#9]
I bet it was that crazy Wade Boggs that convinced him to pull a stunt like that.
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Posted: 4/19/2024 5:32:34 PM EDT
[#10]
I'm not seeing a problem?
so they let someone sit in the left seat during a flight? Autopilot was on.. there's the right seat guy.. what's the big deal? |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 5:48:42 PM EDT
[#11]
Originally Posted By W202fan90: I bet it was that crazy Wade Boggs that convinced him to pull a stunt like that.  Attached File |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 4/19/2024 5:50:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By right_rudder: I'm not seeing a problem? so they let someone sit in the left seat during a flight? Autopilot was on.. there's the right seat guy.. what's the big deal? Its a BIG fucking deal in the 121 world. |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 6:10:03 PM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By right_rudder: I'm not seeing a problem? so they let someone sit in the left seat during a flight? Autopilot was on.. there's the right seat guy.. what's the big deal? It's a huge problem. Airliners have been crashed in the past with a non-pilot sitting in a pilot seat. Additionally, there a number of rules on who can access the flight deck, who can sit in which seats, etc. |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 6:12:49 PM EDT
[#14]
United airlines huh. Isn't that the airline that's going to start hiring pilots based on race?
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Posted: 4/19/2024 6:13:52 PM EDT
[#15]
Yep. That'll do it. Certain career suicide. Even if the airline didn't want to fire him, and the FAA didn't want to take certificate action against him, the TSA would likely yank his ability to get through security as a crew member thus rendering him unemployable. He's in a screwed trifecta.
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VA, USA
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Posted: 4/19/2024 7:22:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LRShooter: It's a huge problem. Airliners have been crashed in the past with a non-pilot sitting in a pilot seat. Additionally, there a number of rules on who can access the flight deck, who can sit in which seats, etc. That Aeroflot crash where the pilot let his kid fly the plane full of passengers was classic. The black box audio captured the pilot telling the kid to lower the nose when the stall alarm started going off. |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 7:24:45 PM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dc204: Its a BIG fucking deal in the 121 world. |
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USA
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Posted: 4/19/2024 7:34:31 PM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By right_rudder: My understanding from the article they were part 135. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By right_rudder: Originally Posted By Dc204: Its a BIG fucking deal in the 121 world. It'd be a big deal in the 135 world too! |
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USA
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Posted: 4/19/2024 7:51:04 PM EDT
[#19]
I started reading the article and thought, it doesn’t surprise me a bit they let a hot chick in the cockpit…
Then I read it was a dude. |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 8:01:04 PM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gotterdammerung: That Aeroflot crash where the pilot let his kid fly the plane full of passengers was classic. The black box audio captured the pilot telling the kid to lower the nose when the stall alarm started going off. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gotterdammerung: Originally Posted By LRShooter: It's a huge problem. Airliners have been crashed in the past with a non-pilot sitting in a pilot seat. Additionally, there a number of rules on who can access the flight deck, who can sit in which seats, etc. That Aeroflot crash where the pilot let his kid fly the plane full of passengers was classic. The black box audio captured the pilot telling the kid to lower the nose when the stall alarm started going off. |
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USA
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Posted: 4/19/2024 8:03:29 PM EDT
[#21]
Has United Airlines lost an employee?
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TX, USA
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Posted: 4/19/2024 10:01:52 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Razzman1: I started reading the article and thought, it doesn’t surprise me a bit they let a hot chick in the cockpit… Then I read it was a dude. how do they know that? |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 10:56:41 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Vne]
[#23]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By right_rudder: My understanding from the article they were part 135. Doesn't matter. The security procedures remain the same. I've flown many such charters. |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 11:00:02 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By right_rudder: I'm not seeing a problem? so they let someone sit in the left seat during a flight? Autopilot was on.. there's the right seat guy.. what's the big deal? A Russian passenger jet crashed when the pilots kid pretended to fly with autopilot on. Same scenario. Killed everyone aboard. Are you ok with randoms sitting at the controls while you are in the back? |
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USA
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Posted: 4/19/2024 11:32:32 PM EDT
[#25]
DEI captain.
She sounds very immature on the video. She has that "Look at me, I am a pilot!" type personality. Reminds me of those cringy pilot influencers you see on social media. |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 11:48:46 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By right_rudder: I'm not seeing a problem? so they let someone sit in the left seat during a flight? Autopilot was on.. there's the right seat guy.. what's the big deal? |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 11:57:57 PM EDT
[#27]
This, with all the eyes already on United...... What the actual fuck?
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Posted: 4/20/2024 12:01:54 AM EDT
[#28]
 Pilots suspended after allowing passenger in cockpit mid-flight |
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Posted: 4/20/2024 7:34:43 AM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rustypigeon: DEI captain. She sounds very immature on the video. She has that "Look at me, I am a pilot!" type personality. Reminds me of those cringy pilot influencers you see on social media. |
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Posted: 4/20/2024 7:39:46 AM EDT
[Last Edit: SAE]
[#30]
I was invited to fly an inflight C-130 Hercules one time. I was like a little kid setting in the Captain's seat I ain't gonna lie.
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Posted: 4/20/2024 7:39:59 AM EDT
[Last Edit: AA717driver]
[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By right_rudder: My understanding from the article they were part 135. Didn’t read the article and journalists are idiots but big airplane charters are done under Part 121. ETA: Allowing people in the cockpit on charters was normal practice before 9/11. I still see it as bureaucratic horseshit rather than an actual safety issue—letting them sit in the seat is dumb. At TWA the same crews flew a lot of the charters and used to open the cockpit door after takeoff. The real fun happened in the back. “Charter Connie” at USAir used to provide “enhanced service” in the back of the plane. 
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Posted: 4/20/2024 7:51:29 AM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dc204: Its a BIG fucking deal in the 121 world. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dc204: Originally Posted By right_rudder: I'm not seeing a problem? so they let someone sit in the left seat during a flight? Autopilot was on.. there's the right seat guy.. what's the big deal? Its a BIG fucking deal in the 121 world. Yep. Somebody is gonna get remedial training!! |
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WI, USA
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Posted: 4/20/2024 7:54:25 AM EDT
[#33]
everybody moves up a number.
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Posted: 4/20/2024 8:26:24 AM EDT
[#34]
I once got to do a little air traffic control at one of the regional centers. 35 years ago, and the controller who let me do it is dead, so we probably won't get in any trouble at this point.
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Posted: 4/20/2024 10:18:02 AM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By right_rudder: I'm not seeing a problem? so they let someone sit in the left seat during a flight? Autopilot was on.. there's the right seat guy.. what's the big deal? it is willfully violation of company policy and federal law. At a minimum the Captain will be fired. |
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USA
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Posted: 4/20/2024 4:10:28 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mach: it is willfully violation of company policy and federal law. At a minimum the Captain will be fired. That won't help their diversity numbers. They will probably let her keep her job and fire the white man sitting next to her. |
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Posted: 4/20/2024 4:34:56 PM EDT
[Last Edit: California_Kid]
[#37]
AeroMexico let me sit in the navigator's seat during flight back in the '80s. It was a hoot.
The flight was from Los Cabos to Tijuana. From the navigator's seat I could see both the Pacific Ocean and the Gulf of California. |
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Posted: 4/20/2024 4:40:20 PM EDT
[#38]
Just the Captain pulling out the cellphone and taking pictures/video is enough to cause the FAA to stroke out.
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GA, USA
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Posted: 4/20/2024 4:44:16 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By right_rudder: My understanding from the article they were part 135. Part 135.125 Aircraft security is your guidance here. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 4/20/2024 4:45:27 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dc204: Its a BIG fucking deal in the 121 world. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dc204: Originally Posted By right_rudder: I'm not seeing a problem? so they let someone sit in the left seat during a flight? Autopilot was on.. there's the right seat guy.. what's the big deal? Its a BIG fucking deal in the 121 world. You forgot to add the post 911 world. Sterile Cockpit. Before, it was not a problem. If it was on the ground, who cares. |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 4/20/2024 4:50:51 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AR18: You forgot to add the post 911 world. Sterile Cockpit. Before, it was not a problem. If it was on the ground, who cares. That’s a crew resource management thing that’s been around since the 80’s |
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USA
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Posted: 4/20/2024 5:36:35 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Booray: how do they know that? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Booray: Originally Posted By Razzman1: I started reading the article and thought, it doesn’t surprise me a bit they let a hot chick in the cockpit… Then I read it was a dude. how do they know that? Cuz it says so in the article? |
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Posted: 4/20/2024 11:50:54 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Merlin: The KC-135 crash where the pilot had his wife in the left seat and something happened and the only way to correct it was some control - that only the left seat could get to. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Merlin: Originally Posted By Gotterdammerung: Originally Posted By LRShooter: It's a huge problem. Airliners have been crashed in the past with a non-pilot sitting in a pilot seat. Additionally, there a number of rules on who can access the flight deck, who can sit in which seats, etc. That Aeroflot crash where the pilot let his kid fly the plane full of passengers was classic. The black box audio captured the pilot telling the kid to lower the nose when the stall alarm started going off. I’ve never heard of that incident. Cite? |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 4/21/2024 12:19:46 AM EDT
[#44]
Back in the 90s I was flying a retirement flight with a senior Captain who announced he was opening the cockpit for tours. We basically had many of the passengers get to sit on the jump seat over the next three hours. Everyone said it was the best flight they ever had!
I was a bit nervous since I still had a thirty year career ahead of me. Crazy times. Cheers, AJP |
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MH, USA
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Posted: 4/21/2024 12:24:46 AM EDT
[#45]
I've done several fam flights and rode the jumpseat in the cockpit. On one of the long ones, the captain had to go to the bathroom, so we did a shuffle and I sat in the left seat while he was gone, so he could get back in because the jumpseat blocked the door. I didn't fly the plane or anything, I just occupied a space, no big deal. He had some nice sheepskin cover on the seat btw.
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Posted: 4/21/2024 12:35:11 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DD1801: I've never heard of that incident. Cite? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DD1801: Originally Posted By Merlin: Originally Posted By Gotterdammerung: Originally Posted By LRShooter: It's a huge problem. Airliners have been crashed in the past with a non-pilot sitting in a pilot seat. Additionally, there a number of rules on who can access the flight deck, who can sit in which seats, etc. That Aeroflot crash where the pilot let his kid fly the plane full of passengers was classic. The black box audio captured the pilot telling the kid to lower the nose when the stall alarm started going off. I've never heard of that incident. Cite? |
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