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Posted: 4/29/2024 7:35:27 PM EDT
Vast swaths of the United States are at risk of running short of power as electricity-hungry data centers and clean-technology factories proliferate around the country, leaving utilities and regulators grasping for credible plans to expand the nation's creaking power grid. In Georgia, demand for industrial power is surging to record highs, with the projection of new electricity use for the next decade now 17 times what it was only recently. Arizona Public Service, the largest utility in that state, is also struggling to keep up, projecting it will be out of transmission capacity before the end of the decade absent major upgrades. Northern Virginia needs the equivalent of several large nuclear power plants to serve all the new data centers planned and under construction. Texas, where electricity shortages are already routine on hot summer days, faces the same dilemma. The soaring demand is touching off a scramble to try to squeeze more juice out of an aging power grid while pushing commercial customers to go to extraordinary lengths to lock down energy sources, such as building their own power plants. "When you look at the numbers, it is staggering," said Jason Shaw, chairman of the Georgia Public Service Commission, which regulates electricity. "It makes you scratch your head and wonder how we ended up in this situation. How were the projections that far off? This has created a challenge like we have never seen before." |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 7:38:25 PM EDT
[#1]
Get to building nuke plants.
No more power crisis. |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 7:38:40 PM EDT
[#2]
starvation. soon.
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 4/29/2024 7:39:24 PM EDT
[#3]
We should mandate more electric cars.
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Posted: 4/29/2024 7:40:56 PM EDT
[Last Edit: _DR]
[#4]
Manufactured crisis. Seen this show before.
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Posted: 4/29/2024 7:42:17 PM EDT
[#5]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Imzadi: We should mandate more electric cars. EVs are the future, LUDDITE!!!! You hate GAIA!!! You are SELFISH!!! 
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Posted: 4/29/2024 7:42:49 PM EDT
[Last Edit: BFskinner]
[#6]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cpt_Kirks: Get to building nuke plants. No more power crisis. Power solution for 2044, not 2024. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 4/29/2024 7:43:33 PM EDT
[#7]
Another 50 million illegals will surely reduce the demand for electricity. If we could just get rid of all the coal and NG power plants and add more windmills and solar panels, things would be great. More electric vehicles will help, too.
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Posted: 4/29/2024 7:44:34 PM EDT
[Last Edit: KILLERB6]
[#8]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cpt_Kirks: Get to building nuke plants. No more power crisis. I can’t CCJ them building more nukes. NXEt thing you know UECing protests about that. |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 7:44:52 PM EDT
[#9]
Heavily tax people with solar, particularly offgrid capable households. They are not contributing to the grid that the poors need.
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Posted: 4/29/2024 7:45:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bitmap: Another 50 million illegals will surely reduce the demand for electricity. If we could just get rid of all the coal and NG power plants and add more windmills and solar panels, things would be great. More electric vehicles will help, too. Only electric: Stoves Ovens Water heaters No natural gas appliances at all!!! That will save us ALL!!! (The ones that survive the homolodor) |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 7:45:50 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Admiral_Crunch]
[#11]
Better shut down a few more coal plants and ban more gas appliances.
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USA
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Posted: 4/29/2024 7:47:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ThrustMyStoma: starvation. soon. Plenty crickets, grasshoppers, and worms |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 7:48:18 PM EDT
[#13]
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
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Posted: 4/29/2024 7:48:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By somaliskinnypirate: Heavily tax people with solar, particularly offgrid capable households. They are not contributing to the grid that the poors need. Huh, how are they not contributing? The electricity they produce goes out, unless they are entirely off grid and are feeding a battery bank for their own house. |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 7:48:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bitmap: Another 50 million illegals will surely reduce the demand for electricity. If we could just get rid of all the coal and NG power plants and add more windmills and solar panels, things would be great. More electric vehicles will help, too. Hey "insert illegal name here"....either you can pedal your ass off for 50 KW in power output a day....or we can put your ass on a trebuchet and send you right back where you came from..... |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 7:49:01 PM EDT
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More AI data centers and EVs will consume power but us peons will have to cut back on our air conditioning. Priorities, you know.
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Posted: 4/29/2024 7:50:31 PM EDT
[#17]
"It makes you scratch your head and wonder how we ended up in this situation"
A real head scratcher. |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 4/29/2024 7:51:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By phatmax: Only electric: Stoves Ovens Water heaters No natural gas appliances at all!!! That will save us ALL!!! (The ones that survive the homolodor) I see what you did there |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 7:51:33 PM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ronin72: Plenty In minecraft |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 7:53:07 PM EDT
[Last Edit: phatmax]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tc556guy: Huh, how are they not contributing? The electricity they produce goes out, unless they are entirely off grid and are feeding a battery bank for their own house. If you don't provide for the underserved first, you are an evil racist and basically a slave-raping cotton farmer. |
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SC, USA
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Posted: 4/29/2024 7:54:18 PM EDT
[#21]
No one, NO ONE could have predicted this!
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LA, USA
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Posted: 4/29/2024 7:56:05 PM EDT
[#22]
Oh, you'll be able to have power. And food. And water. And shelter.
Just turn in all of your guns first. The government will care for you. |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 7:56:54 PM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By _DR: Manufactured crisis. Seen this show before. |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 7:59:42 PM EDT
[#24]
Monday
Two weeks 96 hours |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 8:02:20 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cpt_Kirks: Get to building nuke plants. No more power crisis. No. That would end the expansion of those beautiful climate changing wind turbines |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 8:05:53 PM EDT
[#26]
'Power' is nothing more than the answer to a math equation. Do better...
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Posted: 4/29/2024 8:06:45 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cpt_Kirks: Get to building nuke plants. No more power crisis. FPNI |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 8:07:30 PM EDT
[#28]
https://www.ar15.com/forums/outdoors/Check-your-electric-bill/17-706995/
Not a dupe, just ways the power company is changing billing practices to cover expenses for new infrastructure. |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 8:17:14 PM EDT
[#29]
I'm a commercial electrician in Loudoun County, and the vast majority
of our work for the past ten years has been building data centers. We're at the point where we're commissioning equipment off of generators because the utility companies can't keep up with the demand for substations, even if they could generate and transmit power to those substations. I've read articles about small, on-site nuke plants. @JustinU235 is more knowledgeable about actual power generation. |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 8:19:04 PM EDT
[#30]
It makes you scratch your head and wonder how we ended up in this situation. This might be the single dumbest sentence in the last decade. |
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USA
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Posted: 4/29/2024 8:19:38 PM EDT
[#31]
They want blood....
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MI, USA
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Posted: 4/29/2024 8:20:08 PM EDT
[#32]
https://twitter.com/Austen/status/1783503091914141942
Austen Allred @Austen It’s time to repost one of my favorite tweets ever  Also a short video at link of chick talking about libtard global warming shit. |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 8:21:46 PM EDT
[#33]
Yeah, and how many reliable coal fired power plants did these evil bastards shut down over the last 15 years?
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Posted: 4/29/2024 8:22:24 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cpt_Kirks: Get to building nuke plants. No more power crisis.  |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 8:23:18 PM EDT
[Last Edit: JustinU235]
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ambridge77: I'm a commercial electrician in Loudoun County, and the vast majority of our work for the past ten years has been building data centers. We're at the point where we're commissioning equipment off of generators because the utility companies can't keep up with the demand for substations, even if they could generate and transmit power to those substations. I've read articles about small, on-site nuke plants. @JustinU235 is more knowledgeable about actual power generation. We can't keep up. We know some DC people are going to try SMRs. We also know others will hitch to nukes. I can't say what meta is going to do but we are also running short on power. ETA "can't say" meaning I don't know. TVA is trying to find my site 20 more MWs. |
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NM, USA
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Posted: 4/29/2024 8:25:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BFskinner: Power solution for 2044, not 2024. And had we started building next gen reactors in 2002, we'd have them now. If you never start you never get to the point you want to be. |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 8:28:31 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Imzadi: We should mandate more electric cars. Never saw this coming! 
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Posted: 4/29/2024 8:28:52 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jwliv180: And had we started building next gen reactors in 2002, we'd have them now. If you never start you never get to the point you want to be. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jwliv180: Originally Posted By BFskinner: Power solution for 2044, not 2024. And had we started building next gen reactors in 2002, we'd have them now. If you never start you never get to the point you want to be. But we didn't and the problem is now. |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 8:32:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bitmap: Another 50 million illegals will surely reduce the demand for electricity. If we could just get rid of all the coal and NG power plants and add more windmills and solar panels, things would be great. More electric vehicles will help, too.  Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 8:34:25 PM EDT
[#40]
They’ve all but shut down the coal mines and several power plants here. The closest coal plant attempted to “transition” from coal. I was told the governor informed them that they will not be doing such things.
I guess being a Democrat isn’t powerful enough to ignore every real word consequence. |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 8:35:07 PM EDT
[#41]
It's a shame that this country was not blessed with an abundance of fossil fuels and the ability to construct safe nuclear plants.
I guess we'll have to ask Iran, Russia and Venezuela to help us out. |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 8:54:12 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cpt_Kirks: Get to building nuke plants. No more power crisis. - Agreed but nobody likes them - but they don't like gas or coal either, the left says Live without internet and phones while you are at it. |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 9:28:21 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tc556guy: Huh, how are they not contributing? The electricity they produce goes out, unless they are entirely off grid and are feeding a battery bank for their own house. They are using the same insufficient wires..their bills are next to zero. They need to contribute. |
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SGP
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Posted: 4/29/2024 9:31:48 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By _DR: Manufactured crisis. Seen this show before. https://collections.dartmouth.edu/content/deliver/inline/meadows/pdf/meadows_ltg-001.pdf |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 9:37:35 PM EDT
[#45]
Even if we had it we don’t have the infrastructure to distribute it
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MD, USA
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Posted: 4/29/2024 9:39:28 PM EDT
[#46]
You will ride ze bike and eat ze bugs!
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Posted: 4/29/2024 9:50:38 PM EDT
[#47]
I don’t know that modern corporate America can solve this crisis. Too focused on short-term quarterly profits which an expensive power plant is not going to generate. Been a more profitable enterprise to buy and consolidate utilities, then sell off/scrap “excess” generation and resell the land for other residential/commercial development.
Solar and wind have grown so much pretty much just to suck up federal subsidy dollars but are otherwise not a real scalable solution to the problem. Building nuclear power plants for projected demand growth twenty years ago would have been the right move. When it takes a veritable Manhattan Project effort to build new generation I don’t know what the solution is. Ground-breaking alternatives like space-based solar put together by an insane genius like Elon Musk? Public (government) investment to build the plants but then private entities to manage them? I don’t think the current path we’re on has any workable solutions other than solar/wind + hugely expensive battery banks.
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Posted: 4/29/2024 9:55:51 PM EDT
[#48]
People don't like it, but nationalizing power generation and building nukes at taxpayer expense is probably the best option. Making something like electricity a for profit business is probably a mistake.
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Posted: 4/29/2024 9:57:53 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By _DR: Manufactured crisis. Seen this show before. The government has spent the last 30 years forcing power companies to close coal and natural gas power plants. And at the same time trying to force all electric houses and cars. Who could have predicted this ? |
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MA, USA
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Posted: 4/29/2024 9:58:07 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Imzadi: We should mandate more electric cars. And electric heat. Get rid of that evil natural gas...... |
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