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Posted: 11/7/2023 9:55:47 PM EDT
[Last Edit: farfromhome]
I follow policy activity on freetube. The often post OIS. Why do you all have to provide medical aid to the POS that you just shot?
If it was me, the POS could bleed out on the street. Stop breaking the law and you wont get shot. ETA: Wont |
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Posted: 11/7/2023 10:06:35 PM EDT
[#1]
For the optics.
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Posted: 11/7/2023 10:06:58 PM EDT
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Because if they shoot someone they are more than likely about to be in their custody and they are responsible for their well being?
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Posted: 11/7/2023 10:14:24 PM EDT
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Medical Aid theater, the best is when you can see them doing CPR and the blood is just pouring from the open wounds at each compression.
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PA, USA
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Posted: 11/7/2023 10:41:06 PM EDT
[#4]
So you can save them and then shoot them again later?
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Posted: 11/7/2023 10:49:24 PM EDT
[#5]
Because the threats over and they are required to provide aid...
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Posted: 11/7/2023 10:52:00 PM EDT
[#6]
Punishment for being a bad shot.
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LA, USA
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Posted: 11/7/2023 10:52:30 PM EDT
[Last Edit: BadRREngineer]
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Originally Posted By farfromhome: I follow policy activity on freetube. The often post OIS. Why do you all have to provide medical aid to the POS that you just shot? If it was me, the POS could bleed out on the street. Stop breaking the law and you get shot. What’s it like to be completely bereft of critical thinking skills and morals? And what makes you think the injured party was guilty of anything? Edited to add: Let’s use your “reasoning”. If a cop breaks the law, should he get legal assistance from the taxpayers? |
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Posted: 11/8/2023 12:03:12 AM EDT
[Last Edit: tarheel7734]
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Because everyone in this country is entitled due process and a police officer is not judge and jury. Innocent until proven guilty beyond reasonably doubt by trial.
What if it is an unjust arrest and shooting? |
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Posted: 11/8/2023 1:02:26 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Ringsting]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BadRREngineer: What’s it like to be completely bereft of critical thinking skills and morals? And what makes you think the injured party was guilty of anything? Edited to add: Let’s use your “reasoning”. If a cop breaks the law, should he get legal assistance from the taxpayers? You really went off the deep end didn't you? 
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Posted: 11/8/2023 9:04:41 AM EDT
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Bad guy with gun, does not matter what law they broke, points gun at officers, officers protect themselves by ventilating bad guy with gun.
That should be the end of it. But officers must provide aid to the bad guy, why must they do that? |
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USA
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Posted: 11/8/2023 9:15:45 AM EDT
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It's not like the police haven't shot innocent people or anything
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Posted: 11/8/2023 11:54:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By farfromhome: Bad guy with gun, does not matter what law they broke, points gun at officers, officers protect themselves by ventilating bad guy with gun. That should be the end of it. But officers must provide aid to the bad guy, why must they do that? Again police are not the end of the justice system. What part of this dont you understand? A police officer has no judicial authority. They can not sentence or convict people of crimes. People are innocent until proven guilty of crimes by a court and should not be executed in the streets. This is not judge dredd.. everyone has the right to trial. For that matter, there are cases Police officers should not have immunity when it comes to a civilians self defense, and when a police officer is in the wrong and making illegal arrests, shootings etc, civilians should have every right to defend themselves with lethal force against police officers and the government. Police officers do illegal crap too. Government violates the law too. Not all shootings by police officers are justified or legal. So yes a police officer must provide aid as the persons rights to a fair trial trumps your feelings. |
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USA
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Posted: 11/8/2023 12:20:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By farfromhome: Bad guy with gun, does not matter what law they broke, points gun at officers, officers protect themselves by ventilating bad guy with gun. That should be the end of it. But officers must provide aid to the bad guy, why must they do that? Compressions to pump the blood out faster, break the ribs, interrupt heart rhythm and crush the lungs. Mouth to mouth you pinch off the nose and occlude the airway with their tongue. Basic Murder 101, taught in the Academy Bloc "Thriving as a Dirty Cop: Coverups and Witnesses." |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 11/8/2023 3:39:03 PM EDT
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Bc we like to stay out of prison.
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Posted: 11/8/2023 4:02:33 PM EDT
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Because intentionally letting a potentially innocent (police arent the ones who get to make that determination and mistakes can happen) person bleed out on the street is a fantastic way to end up with cops in prison for murder.
Imagine if you will.... You have to defend yourself and have your gun still in hand. A cop rounds a corner as he responds to a shooting. He sees you standing over a dead man with a gun in your hand, sees you as a threat and shoots. From his perspective you were just a POS who murdered a man (he couldnt possibly know all the facts about the situation yet) and the officer felt himself threatened. He lets you bleed out before the ambulance arrives because "all I did was shoot just another POS". You just died because of a missunderstanding and what boils down to a gut feeling. |
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Posted: 11/8/2023 6:41:12 PM EDT
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Because the argument is that we don't shoot to kill, we shoot to stop. Once you've stopped them you try to save them so you can continue to deal with them for the rest of your career. Same with the addicts and Narcan. Lets save them a dozen times so they don't learn from the OD experience and get off the drugs. Then one day we dont get to them in time and....oh well....
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Posted: 11/16/2023 3:52:23 AM EDT
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Shows that there was no ill intent, just business that needed doing.
Looks better in the press and lawsuits. And- by shooting someone, you absolutely have seized them, so you do have a duty to render reasonable medical care. That is how the legal system works- shooting= seizure= you own em…. |
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AL, USA
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Posted: 11/16/2023 9:38:33 AM EDT
[Last Edit: cfcw]
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One you gain control of the situation and the suspect is in custody, you are responsible for their care and safety. This would include basic care such as bleeding control or placing them in the recovery position if they are unconscious. If it is safe to render aid it is your duty to provide it or allow others to. If this situation is not in control (alone, suspect not cuffed) you are not obligated IMO.
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IL, USA
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Posted: 11/16/2023 9:53:06 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Anb618]
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In 2021, SCOTUS made it official caselaw that shooting or shooting at someone (even if you missed) is a seizure under the 4th Amendment. Once someone has been seized/in the custody of a government agent, that government agent is required to provide reasonable medical care as necessary. Pretty simple.
Wiki page for anyone interested in a case synopsis; https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torres_v._Madrid |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 11/20/2023 3:15:18 PM EDT
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I'll bet the OP wouldn't administer Narcan either. They shot up, they can just die.
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