User Panel
User Panel
User Panel
TX, USA
|
Posted: 5/11/2024 9:21:13 PM EDT
European countries are rich. They have a high standard of living. Most have universal healthcare and free universities. Nobody in Europe has to worry about declaring bankruptcy because they can't pay their medical bills.
They also have a lot of leisure time. European Union legislation mandates that all 27 member states must by law grant all employees a minimum of 4 weeks of paid vacation. Many go beyond that. it's not uncommon for Europeans to take four to six weeks vacation during the summer and at least a week around Christmas. They can afford to take that much time off work. More than many Americans. So why do we subsidize their national defense? Why does America spend more to defend Europe than any European country? |
|
|
|
Posted: 5/11/2024 9:23:38 PM EDT
[#1]
Because it’s in our interest to have a safe and secure Europe.
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: 5/11/2024 9:25:28 PM EDT
[#2]
We don't.
The paper printers do. |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 5/11/2024 9:27:34 PM EDT
[#3]
Because we are suckers.
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: 5/11/2024 9:28:06 PM EDT
[#4]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BobRoberts: Because it’s in our interest to have a safe and secure Europe. But not the interest of actual Europeans? |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 5/11/2024 9:31:02 PM EDT
[#5]
So they use our money and prop up the US dollar as the world's reserve currency.
|
|
|
|
AZ, USA
|
Posted: 5/11/2024 9:33:40 PM EDT
[#6]
How would they have 7 weeks of vacation a year and all hose other benefits without the US paying so much money? See, there is always an answer....
|
|
|
MS, USA
|
Posted: 5/11/2024 9:34:39 PM EDT
[#7]
Because we’re like the fat kid with low self confidence on the playground. We give away our toys and lunch money to the other kids to try and buy their love and make them hate us less. It doesn’t work.
|
|
|
AZ, USA
|
Posted: 5/11/2024 9:35:58 PM EDT
[#8]
Can't let the rooskies win.
|
|
|
MN, USA
|
Posted: 5/11/2024 9:36:30 PM EDT
[#9]
Even if we stopped paying Europe for NATO what makes you think the powers that be, walstrret and hedge funds, would allow us to have a higher standard of living?
|
|
|
|
Posted: 5/11/2024 9:38:34 PM EDT
[#10]
|
|
|
|
MI, USA
|
Posted: 5/11/2024 9:45:36 PM EDT
[Last Edit: ArmyInfantryVet]
[#11]
|
|
|
OR, USA
|
Posted: 5/11/2024 9:47:07 PM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BobRoberts: Because it’s in our interest to have a safe and secure Europe.  Attached File |
|
|
|
Posted: 5/11/2024 9:47:10 PM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BobRoberts: Because it’s in our interest to have a safe and secure Europe. What about Myanmar? Of course, it will always be Burma to me. |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 5/11/2024 9:49:22 PM EDT
[#14]
Ten percent needs washed somehow. What an easier way. Pay the swamp pilgrim.
|
|
|
|
VA, USA
|
Posted: 5/11/2024 9:50:02 PM EDT
[#15]
America subsidizes a significant portion of the world. Humane packages, aid packages, military support, prescription drugs you name it we pay for it in most countries. Well the 50% of actual taxpayers.
|
|
|
MI, USA
|
Posted: 5/11/2024 9:53:03 PM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Pokernut: America subsidizes a significant portion of the world. Humane packages, aid packages, military support, prescription drugs you name it we pay for it in most countries. Well the 50% of actual taxpayers. Republicans have been very okay with Pharmaceutical companies making a killing off the US citizens pay high ass medical bills..while it sells the SAME drugs at dirt cheap prices everywhere else. |
|
|
|
Posted: 5/11/2024 10:01:44 PM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BobRoberts: Because it’s in our interest to have a safe and secure Europe. This. We really don't want another cold war or worse. |
|
|
|
MP, USA
|
Posted: 5/11/2024 10:14:35 PM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BobRoberts: Because it’s in our interest to have a safe and secure Europe. You've made the assumption that they cannot do it themselves. You an infantalizing them. |
|
|
|
Posted: 5/11/2024 10:19:51 PM EDT
[#19]
We subsidize them in the sense that our military is huge and over supported/supplied.
They do buy a shit ton of US defense equipment in general (even more so since 2022). This is often understated. |
|
|
|
VA, USA
|
Posted: 5/11/2024 10:27:29 PM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ArmyInfantryVet: Republicans have been very okay with Pharmaceutical companies making a killing off the US citizens pay high ass medical bills..while it sells the SAME drugs at dirt cheap prices everywhere else. |
|
|
|
Posted: 5/11/2024 10:28:47 PM EDT
[#21]
the merican military industrial complex needs its cheddar.
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: 5/11/2024 10:30:55 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NavyDoc1: Because we are suckers. 100% F Europe they should be on their own. |
|
|
|
MI, USA
|
Posted: 5/11/2024 10:33:01 PM EDT
[#23]
We need something to justify massive military spending.
|
|
|
USA
|
Posted: 5/11/2024 10:35:02 PM EDT
[#24]
Israel has the 3rd or 4th most successful economy in the world yet we foot their entire bill for the most part
|
|
|
USA
|
Posted: 5/11/2024 10:42:58 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ambridge77: We don't. The paper printers do. You realize that all that printing comes with interest to be paid by the US tax payer and that interest is now larger than the military budget. We are now printing money to pay interest on the debt. So we are borrowing from one credit card to pay another. |
|
|
USA
|
Posted: 5/11/2024 10:43:04 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ArmyInfantryVet: Republicans have been very okay with Pharmaceutical companies making a killing off the US citizens pay high ass medical bills..while it sells the SAME drugs at dirt cheap prices everywhere else. It gets even better when you realize these prescription drugs have a harmful, some even devastating effects on many people. Some people end up in an aggressive state in which they kill one or more people, or take their own lives. Some are so broken by these medications (for the good deal of people who hate “the vax”, yes, at least some people were broken by it, in addition to other things) that they take advantage of an assisted suicide program in their country, or perhaps end their own life by their own hand. It isn’t just in the US, although apparently people in other countries pay less for prescription medications, some of whom suffer severely harmful and extremely long lasting effects because of them. |
|
|
SC, USA
|
Posted: 5/11/2024 10:50:02 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NavyDoc1: Because we are suckers. |
|
|
PA, USA
|
Posted: 5/11/2024 10:50:58 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ambridge77: We don't. The paper printers do. This. We are only able to be as fiscally reckless as we are because we have the premier reserve currency. |
|
|
|
Posted: 5/11/2024 10:56:28 PM EDT
[#29]
Who the fuck knows what the Brandon Administration is doing, but I seem to remember Trump bringing that shit to a screaming fucking halt.
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: 5/12/2024 8:23:43 AM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CTM1: You realize that all that printing comes with interest to be paid by the US tax payer and that interest is now larger than the military budget. We are now printing money to pay interest on the debt. So we are borrowing from one credit card to pay another. Yes I get it, but I'm likely to be dead before the bill comes due. My children, grandchildren, and great grandchildren will have to pay, if they have anything to pay with. I meant that even though enough citizens don't approve of subsidizing the world, the powers that be will do whatever they want. |
|
|
|
KS, USA
|
Posted: 5/12/2024 8:26:09 AM EDT
[#31]
Because after WWII our leaders decided that the best way to prevent WWIII was for the US to become the dominant military power in Europe.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 5/12/2024 8:26:53 AM EDT
[#32]
Can someone explain how we are "subsidizing" Europe?
 I've been asking about these cash drops so far @swede1986 hasn't confirmed their existence. Or maybe he's been bought off.
|
|
|
|
ND, USA
|
Posted: 5/12/2024 8:30:04 AM EDT
[#33]
Gotta buy frenemies.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 5/12/2024 8:35:36 AM EDT
[#34]
Entire premise is flawed and retarded.
There is nothing we do in Europe that we wouldn't still want to do without NATO, and it would cost us significantly more to do those things, both financially and politically. |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 5/12/2024 8:35:58 AM EDT
[#35]
You can't skim from a money hose, if there is no money flowing through it.
This applies to most govt subsidy schemes, not just foreign aid. |
|
|
|
DE, USA
|
Posted: 5/12/2024 8:42:06 AM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BobRoberts: Because it’s in our interest to have a safe and secure Europe. True. But i think it is more in there interest We subsidize the world. We take a disproportionate number of resources to produce the vast majority of medical, technological and art advances. The world is getting a free ride. |
|
|
|
Posted: 5/12/2024 8:42:35 AM EDT
[#37]
Us in, Russia out, Germany down.
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: 5/12/2024 8:50:08 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BobRoberts: Because it’s in our interest to have a safe and secure Europe. In the hands of the globalists...it is neither safe nor secure... Safety and security under the tyrant... |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 5/12/2024 2:15:43 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fadedsun: Can someone explain how we are "subsidizing" Europe? I've been asking about these cash drops so far @swede1986 hasn't confirmed their existence. Or maybe he's been bought off. Whiskersthecat promised me B61s, pallets of cash, and big-tittied latinas, but so far I haven't seen any. 
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: 5/12/2024 2:21:12 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HecklerKac: Israel has the 3rd or 4th most successful economy in the world yet we foot their entire bill for the most part Not sure how you are defining ' most successful ', no they don't and no we don't. We give Israel a significant aid package every year true, but we don't foot there entire defense budget, which I am assuming you meant by foot their entire bill. |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 5/12/2024 2:24:42 PM EDT
[Last Edit: ZippZ]
[#41]
It buys us influence. No other nation influences the world like the US. It gets us peace and sway in world affairs. It's costly to stay at the top of the world order.
But ya, they should be spending more on defense which is why I fully support Trump's stance on it. |
|
|
|
SGP
|
Posted: 5/12/2024 2:27:13 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BobRoberts: Because it's in our interest to have a safe and secure Europe. |
|
|
|
Posted: 5/12/2024 2:29:56 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BobRoberts: Because it’s in our interest to have a safe and secure Europe. |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 5/12/2024 2:31:46 PM EDT
[#44]
because we hire stupid people to "lead" us.
|
|
|
|
WI, USA
|
Posted: 5/12/2024 2:31:57 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NavyDoc1: But not the interest of actual Europeans? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NavyDoc1: Originally Posted By BobRoberts: Because it’s in our interest to have a safe and secure Europe. But not the interest of actual Europeans? Personally I think it’s because on a certain level, we need to buy our friends (crudely stated for brevity). There will be the superpowers of this world, then there will be the nations that ally with them for their own personal benefit. I don’t think it’s right or wrong, it’s just the way it is. |
|
|
USA
|
Posted: 5/12/2024 2:36:19 PM EDT
[#46]
Because politicians like to spend your money to buy international influence and payoff supporters.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 5/12/2024 2:40:40 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By odiedodi: No it's not, and even if it were, Europe's never been less safe, so clearly our cash is being pissed away. lol what? |
|
|
|
MI, USA
|
Posted: 5/12/2024 2:45:12 PM EDT
[Last Edit: ArmyInfantryVet]
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fadedsun: Can someone explain how we are "subsidizing" Europe? I've been asking about these cash drops so far @swede1986 hasn't confirmed their existence. Or maybe he's been bought off. I mean, Europe has sent a bit more money than us. They just need to get serious about getting their shit together on building out their military industrial base. It irritates me seeing them acting like their hair is on fire, panick about Russia. Yet little movement on correcting that problem in the urgency that's required. |
|
|
SGP
|
Posted: 5/12/2024 2:47:02 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BobRoberts: lol what? |
|
|
UT, USA
|
Posted: 5/12/2024 2:51:21 PM EDT
[#50]
Europe is rich and has a high standard of living healthcare etc BECAUSE of us.
Take our protection $ away and they either: 1) become poor due to military spend 2) become russian puppet states Neither are favorable to the US interest . |
|
|
AR15.COM is the world's largest firearm community and is a gathering place for firearm enthusiasts of all types.
From hunters and military members, to competition shooters and general firearm enthusiasts, we welcome anyone who values and respects the way of the firearm.
Subscribe to our monthly Newsletter to receive firearm news, product discounts from your favorite Industry Partners, and more.
Copyright © 1996-2024 AR15.COM LLC. All Rights Reserved.
Any use of this content without express written consent is prohibited.
AR15.Com reserves the right to overwrite or replace any affiliate, commercial, or monetizable links, posted by users, with our own.
