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WA, USA
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Posted: 4/20/2024 1:07:15 AM EDT
Seems like all +'s no -'s. Well?
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FL, USA
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Posted: 4/20/2024 1:10:19 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By PVTPablo: Seems like all +'s no -'s. Well? The fundamental purpose of a flash hider is to obscure the location of a rifleman from return fire. Ray Charles can accurately visualize the location of an M134 and direct return fire against it. So why add weight, length, and fragility (due to erosion and heating issues) for no benefit? |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 4/20/2024 1:13:51 AM EDT
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I don’t think a flash hider is going to help this man.
 Minigun firing at night |
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Posted: 4/20/2024 1:16:22 AM EDT
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Because if you have a minigun, the enemy hides from you.
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Posted: 4/20/2024 1:16:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WesJanson: The fundamental purpose of a flash hider is to obscure the location of a rifleman from return fire. Ray Charles can accurately visualize the location of an M134 and direct return fire against it. So why add weight, length, and fragility (due to erosion and heating issues) for no benefit? Wasn't it supposed to reduce the flash as seen by the rifleman? |
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Posted: 4/20/2024 1:16:46 AM EDT
[Last Edit: HDLS]
[#5]
 https://www.ar15.com/forums/armory/M134-Minigun-flash-hiders/22-532157/   "...they quickly learned that the extreme rate of fire of the minigun quickly turned the flash hider prongs red hot and then melted away until there was nothing left!..." |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 4/20/2024 1:17:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lexustech48: Wasn't it supposed to reduce the flash as seen by the rifleman? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lexustech48: Originally Posted By WesJanson: The fundamental purpose of a flash hider is to obscure the location of a rifleman from return fire. Ray Charles can accurately visualize the location of an M134 and direct return fire against it. So why add weight, length, and fragility (due to erosion and heating issues) for no benefit? Wasn't it supposed to reduce the flash as seen by the rifleman? Both. |
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Posted: 4/20/2024 1:19:15 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/20/2024 1:22:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By noob5000000: They should have 6 of these: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/243302/images__8__jpg-3193017.JPG |
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IA, USA
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Posted: 4/20/2024 1:30:33 AM EDT
[#9]
Why not suppressors?!?!
Actually that would be really cool for like .5 seconds untill the cans all exploded |
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Posted: 4/20/2024 1:34:07 AM EDT
[#10]
Because it is pointless. Nuff said.
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Posted: 4/20/2024 1:39:19 AM EDT
[#11]
I think Degroat was working on a suppressed minigun.
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Posted: 4/20/2024 1:40:29 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Alien]
[#12]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By netofficer3710: Why not suppressors?!?! Actually that would be really cool for like .5 seconds untill the cans all exploded 
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USA
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Posted: 4/20/2024 2:08:38 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By PVTPablo: Seems like all +'s no -'s. Well? GAU-17/A does have a flash supressor. 
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WI, USA
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Posted: 4/20/2024 2:27:38 AM EDT
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In ‘09 ish there were something like 17 miniguns that were theater property in Afghanistan.
Teams that were lucky enough to have them on GMVs or MRAPs would often say that an enemy ambush would often end about the same time the mini-gun opened fire. It’s a devastating weapon and there is little reason to hide its signature. Though there was at least one company that I recall made a suppressor for it. DeGroat I think. |
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Posted: 4/20/2024 2:42:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alien: I'm pretty sure I've seen a picture of one with suppressors before but I might be remembering wrong. Technically you could build one BIG suppressor with 6 holes in it. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alien: Originally Posted By netofficer3710: Why not suppressors?!?! Actually that would be really cool for like .5 seconds untill the cans all exploded I think I saw pictures of those as well. But I don't recall ever seeing or hearing of one being used. Even in a strictly experimental context. |
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ITA
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Posted: 4/20/2024 4:08:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By highstepper: Because if you have a minigun, the enemy hides from you. 
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Posted: 4/20/2024 5:36:01 AM EDT
[#17]
 Note quite the same, but there are people out there working on similar projects. |
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USA
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Posted: 4/20/2024 6:05:28 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Nickel_Plated]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Postal0311: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GKNLFNhXUAA0A1e?format=jpg&name=large Note quite the same, but there are people out there working on similar projects. I imagine it would have to be quite a bit more complicated than that. Keep in mind you have to ensure alignment between 6 different barrels and suppressor bores. That's alot of different shit that all has to line up with each other perfectly. The whole suppressor would likely have to have adjustments built in to allow each suppressor bore to be independently aligned with it's respective barrel. In that sense, I think multiple individual suppressors would be way simpler to do. Aligning them would be like aligning a regular suppressor, just do it 6 times. And dealing with the rate of fire would be less of an issue. Afterall, the whole idea of a minigun is that it has such a high rate of fire because it has multiple barrels. So each individual barrel and suppressor doesn't actually have to sustain a particularly high rate of fire. At 3000 rpm that's 500rpm per barrel. 500rpm of .308 isn't really anything crazy. We already field machinegun suppressors that can do that just fine. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 4/20/2024 6:29:04 AM EDT
[#19]
On a gun that will do the entire service life of other guns in 2 minutes, many things don't translate well. Also with that ROF and noise produced, it's meaningless. Flash for the shooter would be my concern but that's what tracers are for.
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Posted: 4/20/2024 6:50:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alien: I'm pretty sure I've seen a picture of one with suppressors before but I might be remembering wrong. Technically you could build one BIG suppressor with 6 holes in it. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alien: Originally Posted By netofficer3710: Why not suppressors?!?! Actually that would be really cool for like .5 seconds untill the cans all exploded I was thinking that. Maybe even integrate some kind of cooling system since it spins so fast 
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Posted: 4/20/2024 7:36:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Scott-S6: GAU-17/A does have a flash supressor. https://www.seaforces.org/wpnsys/SURFACE/M134-minigun_DAT/M134-minigun-50.jpg Technically it's called a barrel clamp, not flash suppressor. Some are vented and some are solid. I only have about 150,000+ rds out of them.  Attached File Attached File Attached File Attached File Attached File |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 4/20/2024 7:43:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MadMonkey: I was thinking that. Maybe even integrate some kind of cooling system since it spins so fast Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MadMonkey: Originally Posted By Alien: Originally Posted By netofficer3710: Why not suppressors?!?! Actually that would be really cool for like .5 seconds untill the cans all exploded I was thinking that. Maybe even integrate some kind of cooling system since it spins so fast This is a pretty good thought exercise. I'm thinking one large diameter suppressor for all the barrels, sort of like the diagram, but the blast chambers and 'cones' are connected by channels for gasses to be shared by all barrels. So when barrel 1 fires, 2 and 6 get a fair amount of gas, and 5 and 3 get a little less, 4 gets very little so it's in it's 'cooling' phase. I would also imagine if it's printed, cooling paths could be integrated allowing fresh in and around the separate bores. Air scoops or fins could be integrated as well. Feasible or not? Is having more mass better to absorb the heat or not. I imagine no matter the mass it'll be heat soaked pretty quick. @Green0 @Kel |
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Posted: 4/20/2024 7:54:30 AM EDT
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 Attached FileM134 suppressors already exist, I’ve fired the one produced by DTV Arms multiple times. It works very well and I’ve even shot it without hearing protection using subsonic ammunition. Muzzle flash is reduced by ~98% and the concussive effect to the operator is also greatly reduced, sound suppression is just an added benefit. |
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ITA
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Posted: 4/20/2024 8:01:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Soju: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/212150/IMG_3902_jpeg-3193097.JPG M134 suppressors already exist, I’ve fired the one produced by DTV Arms multiple times. It works very well and I’ve even shot it without hearing protection using subsonic ammunition. Muzzle flash is reduced by ~98% and the concussive effect to the operator is also greatly reduced, sound suppression is just an added benefit. Wow a suppressed minigun shooting subsonic ammo must be interesting |
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Posted: 4/20/2024 8:02:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Soju: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/212150/IMG_3902_jpeg-3193097.JPG M134 suppressors already exist, I’ve fired the one produced by DTV Arms multiple times. It works very well and I’ve even shot it without hearing protection using subsonic ammunition. Muzzle flash is reduced by ~98% and the concussive effect to the operator is also greatly reduced, sound suppression is just an added benefit. Damn! |
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Posted: 4/20/2024 8:23:14 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/20/2024 8:26:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Frens: Wow a suppressed minigun shooting subsonic ammo must be interesting Oh it is. Not really a practical application I can think of for it, but damn it’s fun! |
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Posted: 4/20/2024 8:26:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Frens: Wow a suppressed minigun shooting subsonic ammo must be interesting It is. However, the most impressive aspect of the DTV Arms device to me is the reduction of flash using standard M80A1 ammo. The sound mediation is a welcome by product IMHO. If you have ever fired a M134 mini gun while wearing NVGs, then you know the affect that muzzle flash has on shutting down the goggles. The DTV Arms device eliminates this issue. Full Disclosure - I'm not professionally associated with DTV Arms, but have been a friend of the owner for over a decade. |
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Posted: 4/20/2024 8:32:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ceetee: That's some Mad Max looking shit right there. I want one. Mk44 and M2 mounted on back of LMTV.  Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 4/20/2024 8:38:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By noob5000000: They should have 6 of these: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/243302/images__8__jpg-3193017.JPG I don't want to be near that. 
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OH, USA
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Posted: 4/20/2024 8:41:45 AM EDT
[Last Edit: bmarshall1]
[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Soju: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/212150/IMG_3902_jpeg-3193097.JPG M134 suppressors already exist, I’ve fired the one produced by DTV Arms multiple times. It works very well and I’ve even shot it without hearing protection using subsonic ammunition. Muzzle flash is reduced by ~98% and the concussive effect to the operator is also greatly reduced, sound suppression is just an added benefit. Great, they stole my idea. Now I'll never be rich. 
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Posted: 4/20/2024 8:43:37 AM EDT
[#32]
Pointless
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NY, USA
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Posted: 4/20/2024 8:45:03 AM EDT
[#33]
If you are shooting tracers, what's the point?
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ITA
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Posted: 4/20/2024 8:47:28 AM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Soju: Oh it is. Not really a practical application I can think of for it, but damn it’s fun! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Soju: Originally Posted By Frens: Wow a suppressed minigun shooting subsonic ammo must be interesting Oh it is. Not really a practical application I can think of for it, but damn it’s fun! I’d put one in the backyard just for shooting pigeons Brrrrrtt! |
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MS, USA
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Posted: 4/20/2024 8:48:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Combat_Diver: Mk44 and M2 mounted on back of LMTV. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/32677/IMG_1461_jpg-3193118.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/32677/IMG_1462_jpg-3193119.JPG Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Combat_Diver: Originally Posted By ceetee: That's some Mad Max looking shit right there. I want one. Mk44 and M2 mounted on back of LMTV. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/32677/IMG_1461_jpg-3193118.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/32677/IMG_1462_jpg-3193119.JPG Very awesome, and cool pics, that’s what makes these threads great. I’m going to need some more details on that tactical oven mitt!
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Posted: 4/20/2024 8:51:12 AM EDT
[#36]
By the time your brain registers the muzzle flash it's already too late for you.
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Posted: 4/20/2024 8:53:20 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Combat_Diver]
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gaweidert: If you are shooting tracers, what's the point? There are M276 DIM tracers (purple tipped IR tracers). Plus straight ball linked for training  Attached File |
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Posted: 4/20/2024 8:54:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ceetee: That's some Mad Max looking shit right there. I want one. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ceetee: That's some Mad Max looking shit right there. I want one. You will not speed-walk going to the DFAC or the PMO will lay down the law. Kharn |
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Posted: 4/20/2024 8:55:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lokifox: I don't want to be near that. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lokifox: Originally Posted By noob5000000: They should have 6 of these: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/243302/images__8__jpg-3193017.JPG I don't want to be near that. No need to call for air support, they'll hear it from 300km away. Kharn |
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WY, USA
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Posted: 4/20/2024 8:59:23 AM EDT
[Last Edit: SLRBoy]
[#40]
My buddy has a mini gun mounted technical in his raptor
It is suppressed and it’s glorious.   He’s got a newer one now that runs .338 Norma suppressed. |
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Posted: 4/20/2024 9:16:13 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Soju]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DMark: If you have ever fired a M134 mini gun while wearing NVGs, then you know the affect that muzzle flash has on shutting down the goggles. The DTV Arms device eliminates this issue. Bingo. Also in some applications, like the AH-6, the M134’s are mounted behind the pilots so they get all the muzzle flash and muzzle blast.  Attached File |
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Posted: 4/20/2024 9:24:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Soju: Bingo. Also in some applications, like the AH-6, the M134’s are mounted behind the pilots so they get all the muzzle flash and muzzle blast. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/212150/IMG_3903_jpeg-3193151.JPG Again thats why they developed the M276 DIM tracer and they are the primary user. |
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Posted: 4/20/2024 9:28:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Combat_Diver: Again thats why they developed the M276 DIM tracer and they are the primary user. Tracking, I was just showing another possible benefit of using a M134 suppressor. As you know, M134’s aren’t only used in flex fire applications. |
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Posted: 4/20/2024 9:39:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Combat_Diver: Technically it's called a barrel clamp, not flash suppressor. Some are vented and some are solid. I only have about 150,000+ rds out of them. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/32677/IMG_3698_jpg-3193092.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/32677/IMG_7189_jpg-3193093.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/32677/Udri-ea3a23749cc2_JPG-3193094.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/32677/truck_Mk44_JPG-3193095.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/32677/zeus_JPG-3193096.JPG With the ROF…what’s that, like 15 minutes…  And holy shit man, with that tag line, it sure explains the “never home”. Impressive to say the least. Rock on! |
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NV, USA
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Posted: 4/20/2024 9:47:42 AM EDT
[Last Edit: PaladinM1911]
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HDLS: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/367483/m134_flashider-3193014.png https://www.ar15.com/forums/armory/M134-Minigun-flash-hiders/22-532157/ https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/367483/flash_hider_mini_gun-3193016.png https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/367483/mini_gun_flash_with_barrels-3193019.png "...they quickly learned that the extreme rate of fire of the minigun quickly turned the flashhiders prongs red hot and then melted away until there was nothing left!..." Worked on the first mini guns for Army Blackhawks from GE, those flash hiders were like mini grenades.  Note the Aimpoint 1000 red dot scope. |
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Posted: 4/20/2024 9:53:34 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lexustech48: Wasn't it supposed to reduce the flash as seen by the rifleman? This. It’s so you don’t trash your night vision when firing |
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Posted: 4/20/2024 9:54:57 AM EDT
[Last Edit: SAE]
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WesJanson: The fundamental purpose of a flash hider is to obscure the location of a rifleman from return fire. Ray Charles can accurately visualize the location of an M134 and direct return fire against it. So why add weight, length, and fragility (due to erosion and heating issues) for no benefit? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WesJanson: Originally Posted By PVTPablo: Seems like all +'s no -'s. Well? The fundamental purpose of a flash hider is to obscure the location of a rifleman from return fire. Ray Charles can accurately visualize the location of an M134 and direct return fire against it. So why add weight, length, and fragility (due to erosion and heating issues) for no benefit? "Sir, we can go in there tomorrow at dawn. I'll be on the M134 if you don't mind. I'll light them sum bitches up like sunrise. These people have done pissed me off and now I'm mad." 
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Posted: 4/20/2024 6:23:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HDLS: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/367483/m134_flashider-3193014.png https://www.ar15.com/forums/armory/M134-Minigun-flash-hiders/22-532157/ https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/367483/flash_hider_mini_gun-3193016.png https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/367483/mini_gun_flash_with_barrels-3193019.png "...they quickly learned that the extreme rate of fire of the minigun quickly turned the flash hider prongs red hot and then melted away until there was nothing left!..." Damn. That’s cool. |
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Posted: 4/20/2024 6:43:58 PM EDT
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The pic isn't mine but I have one of these I use for a paper weight.
 Jimmy DeGroats Minigun suppressor. 
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TN, USA
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Posted: 4/20/2024 6:52:00 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By PVTPablo: Seems like all +'s no -'s. Well? You're never going to make Pfc 
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