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Posted: 3/14/2024 10:09:35 AM EDT
The SCotUS is going to take it's time on the 2A ruling, and in the meantime, this stuff is just bouncing back & forth between the SCotUS and the lower courts, should be fun.
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NBA YoungBoy Gun Case Paused by Judge Until Supreme Court Rules on Second Amendment Battle

A criminal case against YoungBoy Never Broke Again over federal gun charges must be put on hold until the U.S. Supreme Court decides a closely-watched Second Amendment battle this spring, a federal judge says - likely delaying a trial that had been scheduled to start in July.

In an order Wednesday (Mar. 13), U.S. District Judge Shelly Dick said she would wait to proceed until after the justices had issued their gun-control ruling since the Supreme Court's looming decision will likely touch on the same Second Amendment questions at play in NBA YoungBoy's case.

YoungBoy's lawyers say the law he's accused of breaking - a ban on convicted felons possessing firearms - is unconstitutional under the Second Amendment, which protects the right to "keep and bear arms." The pending Supreme Court case, meanwhile, will decide the constitutionality of a similar federal ban on gun ownership for domestic abusers.
After years of house arrest, YoungBoy (Kentrell DeSean Gaulden) had finally been set for a trial in July. Wednesday's order will likely delay that trial since it could be June before the high court even rules on the pending case. But the delay might be worth it: If the Supreme Court rules against the gun restrictions in that case, it could greatly help YoungBoy beat his charges altogether.

The rapper's attorney did not immediately return a request for comment.

YoungBoy was indicted by federal prosecutors in March 2021 after he was allegedly found with two guns during a September 2020 incident in Baton Rouge, La. He was charged with violating a long-standing federal law that bans convicted felons from ever again possessing guns - a rule that applied to him because he was convicted in 2017 of aggravated assault with a firearm.

In a motion filed last month, attorneys for the rapper argued that the charges against YoungBoy must be dismissed without trial because that federal ban violates the Second Amendment. They cited a landmark gun control ruling issued by the high court in 2022, which struck down a New York state law that had placed strict limits on carrying guns outside the home.

Echoing the language of that ruling, YoungBoy's lawyers said the federal felon-in-possession statute was similarly unconstitutional because it was "inconsistent with our nation's historical tradition of firearm regulation."

"This prosecution seeks to restrict and deny Mr. Gaulden's Second Amendment right to possess a firearm based solely on his status a felon and his alleged failure to comply with bureaucratic regulations," the star's attorneys told the judge.

In a response this month, federal prosecutors sharply disagreed, arguing that the gun ban for convicts had already been upheld in "hundreds of cases" since the Supreme Court's 2022 ruling. They acknowledged that a few judges had ruled otherwise, but that the "overwhelming majority of courts" had continued to enforce the law.

In Wednesday's order, Judge Dick said she could not decide those arguments until the Supreme Court rules on United States v. Rahimi, the pending case challenging a federal law that prohibits the possession of firearms by persons subject to domestic violence restraining orders. The case, argued last fall, is expected to be decided by June.

It's difficult to predict how the Supreme Court might rule on a given case, but the tea leaves don't look good for YoungBoy's position. After arguments in the Rahimi case in November, Reuters reported that the court "appeared inclined to uphold the legality" of the domestic violence gun restrictions, with several justices suggesting the Second Amendment wouldn't stop the government from banning "dangerous" people from owning guns.

Whenever the Supreme Court rules on the Rahimi case, YoungBoy and federal prosecutors will have 14 days to file briefs on how the case should proceed
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He was charged with violating a long-standing federal law that bans convicted felons from ever again possessing guns - a rule that applied to him because he was convicted in 2017 of aggravated assault with a firearm.

Good.  Fuck NBA YoungBoy.  Shoot at people who don't need to be shot at and you shouldn't be allowed to legally possess a gun ever again.
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Originally Posted By JeepersCreepers:


He was charged with violating a long-standing federal law that bans convicted felons from ever again possessing guns - a rule that applied to him because he was convicted in 2017 of aggravated assault with a firearm.

Good.  Fuck NBA YoungBoy.  Shoot at people who don't need to be shot at and you shouldn't be allowed to legally possess a gun ever again.
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But to hell with the law. It’s been weaponized against decent folks, and will continue to be used against us to the point where voicing an unpopular opinion makes you a prohibited person.

Fuck that nonsense. If someone cannot be trusted with a weapon, they have no business walking around unsupervised.
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I had to read half the article to realize it was a case against a person, and not an organization named by a Chinese marketing agent for duplicate Amazon products.
Link Posted: 3/14/2024 10:28:46 AM EDT
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I kinda agree with the defendant.

If someone does their time and are released they should have all their rights back.   If they are still provably a danger to society they shouldn't be released.


The reason it doesn't work that way is we incarcerate far too many people for victimless "crimes" which is not just immoral but a ridiculous waste of tax dollars that destroys families and further degrades society as a whole.  Society is circling the drain and idiots are screaming they need just a little more water to make it better.
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Originally Posted By JeepersCreepers:


He was charged with violating a long-standing federal law that bans convicted felons from ever again possessing guns - a rule that applied to him because he was convicted in 2017 of aggravated assault with a firearm.

Good.  Fuck NBA YoungBoy.  Shoot at people who don't need to be shot at and you shouldn't be allowed to legally possess a gun ever again.
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lol. Conservatives love their "common sense" gun control
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If they decorated a tree with people the first time they committed a violent felony this wouldn't be an issue
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He shot at someone and was convicted....he didn't give a damn about his rights while trying to shoot someone...oh well now
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Originally Posted By Kuraki:
I had to read half the article to realize it was a case against a person, and not an organization named by a Chinese marketing agent for duplicate Amazon products.
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This.
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Originally Posted By runcible:
This.
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Originally Posted By Kuraki:
I had to read half the article to realize it was a case against a person, and not an organization named by a Chinese marketing agent for duplicate Amazon products.
This.

Link Posted: 3/14/2024 10:54:36 AM EDT
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Creating a permanent disability gives little incentive to "straighten up and fly right" afterwards. Remaining a second class citizen is also problematic.

For every dirtbag rapper with a violence problem... how many Martha Stewarts, Wesley Snipes, and hell... even some of the J6 folks who were non-violent currently in jail on felony political persecutions, are there?

None of the Federal laws on the books pass even an abstract Constitutional "smell" test. The only reason the NFA, and later the GCA and FOPA that modified it and created new infringements, is still in place is because it gave government a LOT of power it isn't supposed to have in the first place.

Shall... not... be... infringed.
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Originally Posted By TheAmaazingCarl:
I kinda agree with the defendant.

If someone does their time and are released they should have all their rights back.   If they are still provably a danger to society they shouldn't be released. Allowed to exist.


The reason it doesn't work that way is we incarcerate far too many people for victimless "crimes" which is not just immoral but a ridiculous waste of tax dollars that destroys families and further degrades society as a whole.  Society is circling the drain and idiots are screaming they need just a little more water to make it better.
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Originally Posted By RevDeadCorpse:
Creating a permanent disability gives little incentive to "straighten up and fly right" afterwards. Remaining a second class citizen is also problematic.

For every dirtbag rapper with a violence problem... how many Martha Stewarts, Wesley Snipes, and hell... even some of the J6 folks who were non-violent currently in jail on felony political persecutions, are there?

None of the Federal laws on the books pass even an abstract Constitutional "smell" test. The only reason the NFA, and later the GCA and FOPA that modified it and created new infringements, is still in place is because it gave government a LOT of power it isn't supposed to have in the first place.

Shall... not... be... infringed.
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This, 100%!

Not sure how people on a gun forum don't get it.

"The average person (unknowingly) commits 3 felonies a day".

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Originally Posted By JeepersCreepers:


He was charged with violating a long-standing federal law that bans convicted felons from ever again possessing guns - a rule that applied to him because he was convicted in 2017 of aggravated assault with a firearm.

Good.  Fuck NBA YoungBoy.  Shoot at people who don't need to be shot at and you shouldn't be allowed to legally possess a gun ever again.
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Originally Posted By JeepersCreepers:


He was charged with violating a long-standing federal law that bans convicted felons from ever again possessing guns - a rule that applied to him because he was convicted in 2017 of aggravated assault with a firearm.

Good.  Fuck NBA YoungBoy.  Shoot at people who don't need to be shot at and you shouldn't be allowed to legally possess a gun ever again.




Its so obvious that the legal system is just playing fucking games.  They can't be trusted to decide anything, let alone someones right to own a firearm.


2016–2017: Attempted murder

On November 28, 2016, U.S. Marshals arrested Gaulden before a concert in Austin, Texas, accusing him of jumping out of a vehicle and opening fire on a group of people on a South Baton Rouge street. Gaulden was charged with two counts of attempted murder.[148][149] Gaulden was in jail until May 2017 for attempted first degree murder.[150] Speaking on his incarceration, he said "I don't think they really target, but if you got a name, they know who you is, you do something, they gonna come get you, and whoever you're with and whatever they do, you're accountable for it just because you got the biggest name. That's how that shit go."[151] Facing two counts of attempted first-degree murder, he pleaded guilty to a reduced charge of aggravated assault with a firearm. On August 22, 2017, he was sentenced to a suspended ten-year prison term and three years of active probation.[149]


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Originally Posted By JeepersCreepers:


He was charged with violating a long-standing federal law that bans convicted felons from ever again possessing guns - a rule that applied to him because he was convicted in 2017 of aggravated assault with a firearm.

Good.  Fuck NBA YoungBoy.  Shoot at people who don't need to be shot at and you shouldn't be allowed to legally possess a gun ever again.
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Fuck the law and fuck that criminal.  He should still be in prison.  If you're too dangerous to have a gun, you're too dangerous to be on the streets.
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Originally Posted By JeepersCreepers:

 Shoot at people who don't need to be shot at and you shouldn't be allowed to legally possess a gun ever again.
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For real?

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/farmington-new-mexico-police-kill-wrong-address-rcna105152
Link Posted: 3/14/2024 11:22:19 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By TheAmaazingCarl:
I kinda agree with the defendant.

If someone does their time and are released they should have all their rights back.   If they are still provably a danger to society they shouldn't be released.


The reason it doesn't work that way is we incarcerate far too many people for victimless "crimes" which is not just immoral but a ridiculous waste of tax dollars that destroys families and further degrades society as a whole.  Society is circling the drain and idiots are screaming they need just a little more water to make it better.
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He shot at someone before. Not a "victimless" crime.

But you want rights restored, right? The child molester was just released and wants a job at the local school. He should be hired, right? We need to end sex offense registration, since they served their time too.
Link Posted: 3/14/2024 11:44:12 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By UV18:



He shot at someone before. Not a "victimless" crime.

But you want rights restored, right? The child molester was just released and wants a job at the local school. He should be hired, right? We need to end sex offense registration, since they served their time too.
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Convicted child molesters should be executed.

But... your strawman is noted.

Now... about catching a felony for free speech and having your 2A rights infringed... Because THAT has actually happened.
Link Posted: 3/14/2024 11:45:17 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By NotJackMiller:

Fuck the law and fuck that criminal.  He should still be in prison.  If you're too dangerous to have a gun, you're too dangerous to be on the streets.
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This is how it used to be. This is how it SHOULD be...
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Originally Posted By RevDeadCorpse:
Convicted child molesters should be executed.

But... your strawman is noted.

Now... about catching a felony for free speech and having your 2A rights infringed... Because THAT has actually happened.
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Both are convicted of crimes that have additional consequences away from the serving of the sentence. You either support their rights being restored or you do not. No strawman but a 100% valid consequence of what you support.

Link Posted: 3/14/2024 11:50:18 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Kuraki:
I had to read half the article to realize it was a case against a person, and not an organization named by a Chinese marketing agent for duplicate Amazon products.
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^^^
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For real?

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/farmington-new-mexico-police-kill-wrong-address-rcna105152
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Originally Posted By Urbdok:
Originally Posted By JeepersCreepers:

 Shoot at people who don't need to be shot at and you shouldn't be allowed to legally possess a gun ever again.


For real?

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/farmington-new-mexico-police-kill-wrong-address-rcna105152


So edgy.

Yep totally the same thing as gangbangers intentionally gunning people down on public streets just because they got "beef".

Using that logic Darrel Brooks Jr. deserves his drivers license back because intentionally running over people at a Christmas parade is no different than when a cop crashes and kills someone on his way to a call.





Link Posted: 3/14/2024 11:51:12 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By UV18:



He shot at someone before. Not a "victimless" crime.

But you want rights restored, right? The child molester was just released and wants a job at the local school. He should be hired, right? We need to end sex offense registration, since they served their time too.
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Where’s the constitutional amendment that describes protection of rights in your scenario?
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Originally Posted By UV18:



Both are convicted of crimes that have additional consequences away from the serving of the sentence. You either support their rights being restored or you do not. No strawman but a 100% valid consequence of what you support.

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It's literally the definition of a strawman argument. Conflating a felony for a crime where the law is the only "victim" with a felony that has a clear victim is about as far apart as you can get...


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Originally Posted By TW52:


This, 100%!

Not sure how people on a gun forum don't get it.

"The average person (unknowingly) commits 3 felonies a day".

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I don't see how that's remotely true. Simple petty misdemeanors, maybe. Felonies though? lol, no. Not the average person anyway.
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It's literally the definition of a strawman argument. Conflating a felony for a crime where the law is the only "victim" with a felony that has a clear victim is about as far apart as you can get...


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The law is the victim in both. The new crime has no victim. Registration, restrictions, and gun restrictions all are victimless crimes. The original felony in this case had one. The child molester, porn holder, or whatever else may have also had a real victim too.

Both original crimes may or may not be felonies. There are plenty of sex offenses that are misdemeanors and require registration, restrictions, and impact everyday life.

You either support rights restoration or you don't.
Link Posted: 3/14/2024 12:01:46 PM EDT
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I'll bet he smokes weed too so when he filled out that 4473 for those firearms he committed another felony.
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Originally Posted By UV18:



He shot at someone before. Not a "victimless" crime.

But you want rights restored, right? The child molester was just released and wants a job at the local school. He should be hired, right? We need to end sex offense registration, since they served their time too.
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Originally Posted By TheAmaazingCarl:
I kinda agree with the defendant.

If someone does their time and are released they should have all their rights back.   If they are still provably a danger to society they shouldn't be released.


The reason it doesn't work that way is we incarcerate far too many people for victimless "crimes" which is not just immoral but a ridiculous waste of tax dollars that destroys families and further degrades society as a whole.  Society is circling the drain and idiots are screaming they need just a little more water to make it better.



He shot at someone before. Not a "victimless" crime.

But you want rights restored, right? The child molester was just released and wants a job at the local school. He should be hired, right? We need to end sex offense registration, since they served their time too.



I’d wager there is a “historic tradition” of shallow graves and “boating accidents ” for those people.  Unlikely a written historic tradition,  but tradition just the same. Example “Ken McElroy” shot to death by a .22lr AND a center fire rifle in front of 46 witnesses and nobody saw a thing.  Towns folk were quoted as saying “needed killing”. Lol
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Originally Posted By fsjdw2:



I’d wager there is a “historic tradition” of shallow graves and “boating accidents ” for those people.  Unlikely a written historic tradition,  but tradition just the same. Example “Ken McElroy” shot to death by a .22lr AND a center fire rifle in front of 46 witnesses and nobody saw a thing.  Towns folk were quoted as saying “needed killing”. Lol
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You can say the same for gang crimes in urban areas. He had it coming and no witnesses.
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Originally Posted By JeepersCreepers:


So edgy.

Yep totally the same thing as gangbangers intentionally gunning people down on public streets just because they got "beef".

Using that logic Darrel Brooks Jr. deserves his drivers license back because intentionally running over people at a Christmas parade is no different than when a cop crashes and kills someone on his way to a call.





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Originally Posted By Urbdok:
Originally Posted By JeepersCreepers:

 Shoot at people who don't need to be shot at and you shouldn't be allowed to legally possess a gun ever again.


For real?

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/farmington-new-mexico-police-kill-wrong-address-rcna105152


So edgy.

Yep totally the same thing as gangbangers intentionally gunning people down on public streets just because they got "beef".

Using that logic Darrel Brooks Jr. deserves his drivers license back because intentionally running over people at a Christmas parade is no different than when a cop crashes and kills someone on his way to a call.







I would have been surprised if you actually meant it.

Innocent victim of a perp indifferent to human life is
Innocent victim of a perp indifferent to human life.

Just because you like one party, or hate the other, doesn't change that.
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If you're too dangerous to own a gun, you're too dangerous to be allowed in public.

No free man shall be debarred the use of arms.
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If you've served your sentence, you should get all your rights back. If you are safe enough to be in society, then you should be 100% a citizen, with all rights thereof.

If you are not safe enough to be in society, then you should not be released <- this is the crux of the problem.
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Originally Posted By JBecker_72:
I don't see how that's remotely true. Simple petty misdemeanors, maybe. Felonies though? lol, no. Not the average person anyway.
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If you haven't inadvertently committed a Federal felony at some point, you probably haven't actually done anything with your life.
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If you haven't inadvertently committed a Federal felony at some point, you probably haven't actually done anything with your life.
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Originally Posted By JBecker_72:
I don't see how that's remotely true. Simple petty misdemeanors, maybe. Felonies though? lol, no. Not the average person anyway.


If you haven't inadvertently committed a Federal felony at some point, you probably haven't actually done anything with your life.

You mean like tax evasion or something?
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Tried to kill someone and four years later he's not only out but carrying a gun again.

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Tried to kill someone and four years later he's not only out but carrying a gun again.

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I find great reassurance in the government's continuing inability to keep anyone from owning guns who wants them.
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You can say the same for gang crimes in urban areas. He had it coming and no witnesses.
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I’d wager there is a “historic tradition” of shallow graves and “boating accidents ” for those people.  Unlikely a written historic tradition,  but tradition just the same. Example “Ken McElroy” shot to death by a .22lr AND a center fire rifle in front of 46 witnesses and nobody saw a thing.  Towns folk were quoted as saying “needed killing”. Lol



You can say the same for gang crimes in urban areas. He had it coming and no witnesses.

That's about the only thing that the ghetto does correctly - there are a lot of blind people there. Modern America is so full of Karens that the most heinous, sick criminals could be fixed quickly and permanently for $0.25 and someone would have squads rolling yesterday to come hem up the problem solvers.
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I think some of you guys that believe in only one form of punishment haven't really thought it thru.
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Government only ever goes after bad guys.  Not us.  We're all the good guys.
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But to hell with the law. It’s been weaponized against decent folks, and will continue to be used against us to the point where voicing an unpopular opinion makes you a prohibited person.

Fuck that nonsense. If someone cannot be trusted with a weapon, they have no business walking around unsupervised.
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Originally Posted By JeepersCreepers:


He was charged with violating a long-standing federal law that bans convicted felons from ever again possessing guns - a rule that applied to him because he was convicted in 2017 of aggravated assault with a firearm.

Good.  Fuck NBA YoungBoy.  Shoot at people who don't need to be shot at and you shouldn't be allowed to legally possess a gun ever again.


But to hell with the law. It’s been weaponized against decent folks, and will continue to be used against us to the point where voicing an unpopular opinion makes you a prohibited person.

Fuck that nonsense. If someone cannot be trusted with a weapon, they have no business walking around unsupervised.


What form of "supervison" should these people who cannot be trusted with a weapon be subject to? What does that look like?

Or are you suggesting that once someone has demonstrated they cannot he trusted with a weapon, that they should be imprisoned for the rest of their life or executed?
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If you haven't inadvertently committed a Federal felony at some point, you probably haven't actually done anything with your life.
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I don't see how that's remotely true. Simple petty misdemeanors, maybe. Felonies though? lol, no. Not the average person anyway.


If you haven't inadvertently committed a Federal felony at some point, you probably haven't actually done anything with your life.
Oh, I didn't say that.
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The law is the victim in both. The new crime has no victim. Registration, restrictions, and gun restrictions all are victimless crimes. The original felony in this case had one. The child molester, porn holder, or whatever else may have also had a real victim too.

Both original crimes may or may not be felonies. There are plenty of sex offenses that are misdemeanors and require registration, restrictions, and impact everyday life.

You either support rights restoration or you don't.
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It's literally the definition of a strawman argument. Conflating a felony for a crime where the law is the only "victim" with a felony that has a clear victim is about as far apart as you can get...





The law is the victim in both. The new crime has no victim. Registration, restrictions, and gun restrictions all are victimless crimes. The original felony in this case had one. The child molester, porn holder, or whatever else may have also had a real victim too.

Both original crimes may or may not be felonies. There are plenty of sex offenses that are misdemeanors and require registration, restrictions, and impact everyday life.

You either support rights restoration or you don't.
Which constitutional right is being denied to the kid toucher in your strawman argument?

The 87th Amendment right to become an employee at a public school?
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Originally Posted By TheAmaazingCarl:
I kinda agree with the defendant.

If someone does their time and are released they should have all their rights back.   If they are still provably a danger to society they shouldn't be released.


The reason it doesn't work that way is we incarcerate far too many people for victimless "crimes" which is not just immoral but a ridiculous waste of tax dollars that destroys families and further degrades society as a whole.  Society is circling the drain and idiots are screaming they need just a little more water to make it better.
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Pissant laws make the people lose respect for all laws.

Armed robbery, and possessing a rifle with a sub-16” barrel carry identical sentences.

Link Posted: 3/14/2024 8:15:36 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Gunner226:


What form of "supervison" should these people who cannot be trusted with a weapon be subject to? What does that look like?

Or are you suggesting that once someone has demonstrated they cannot he trusted with a weapon, that they should be imprisoned for the rest of their life or executed?
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Originally Posted By Gunner226:
Originally Posted By rb889:
Originally Posted By JeepersCreepers:


He was charged with violating a long-standing federal law that bans convicted felons from ever again possessing guns - a rule that applied to him because he was convicted in 2017 of aggravated assault with a firearm.

Good.  Fuck NBA YoungBoy.  Shoot at people who don't need to be shot at and you shouldn't be allowed to legally possess a gun ever again.


But to hell with the law. It’s been weaponized against decent folks, and will continue to be used against us to the point where voicing an unpopular opinion makes you a prohibited person.

Fuck that nonsense. If someone cannot be trusted with a weapon, they have no business walking around unsupervised.


What form of "supervison" should these people who cannot be trusted with a weapon be subject to? What does that look like?

Or are you suggesting that once someone has demonstrated they cannot he trusted with a weapon, that they should be imprisoned for the rest of their life or executed?


Attempted murder carries the same sentence as successful murder. He should’ve been thrown in prison for 20+ or put in front of a firing squad. Getting plead down is either due to the facts of his case, or the choice of the prosecutor.

Far as “supervision,” you know what I mean. Anyone that is proven to be a threat to society at large shouldn’t be walking free. But that presents a dilemma.

Our legal system is a joke, there’s not a damned thing done to rehabilitate criminals, just a pen to keep them away from society at large, and it has become a revolving door. That needs to be changed in order for those folks to make a living without resorting to criminal behavior.

There are folks that need to either be put down, or locked away from society to keep them from hurting people. How about the ones that’re probably a danger, but it can’t be proven one way or another?

Something akin to a cross between work release and parole? Hell if I know. There’s got to be something between locked in a cage and let loose to do whatever.
Link Posted: 3/14/2024 8:32:02 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By LeadBreakfast:

That's about the only thing that the ghetto does correctly - there are a lot of blind people there. Modern America is so full of Karens that the most heinous, sick criminals could be fixed quickly and permanently for $0.25 and someone would have squads rolling yesterday to come hem up the problem solvers.
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I love all the GDs who think this mentality would lead to "solving problems" and not a bunch of gangster gunning down anyone who looks at them sideways like what currently happens in those ghettos.

Hate to break it to you man, but you'd probably be one of the "problems" that someone decides to "solve" in that scenario, not a "problem solver."
Link Posted: 3/14/2024 8:33:22 PM EDT
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Never thought NBA Youngboy would be a case for second amendment rights.
Atleast he has alot of money to fight the case.
Link Posted: 3/14/2024 8:44:08 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By UV18:



He shot at someone before. Not a "victimless" crime.

But you want rights restored, right? The child molester was just released and wants a job at the local school. He should be hired, right? We need to end sex offense registration, since they served their time too.
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Originally Posted By UV18:
Originally Posted By TheAmaazingCarl:
I kinda agree with the defendant.

If someone does their time and are released they should have all their rights back.   If they are still provably a danger to society they shouldn't be released.


The reason it doesn't work that way is we incarcerate far too many people for victimless "crimes" which is not just immoral but a ridiculous waste of tax dollars that destroys families and further degrades society as a whole.  Society is circling the drain and idiots are screaming they need just a little more water to make it better.



He shot at someone before. Not a "victimless" crime.

But you want rights restored, right? The child molester was just released and wants a job at the local school. He should be hired, right? We need to end sex offense registration, since they served their time too.

Bad comparison. Do better. Getting a job isn't the same keeping and bearing arms.
Link Posted: 3/14/2024 8:45:34 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By UV18:



Both are convicted of crimes that have additional consequences away from the serving of the sentence. You either support their rights being restored or you do not. No strawman but a 100% valid consequence of what you support.

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Originally Posted By UV18:
Originally Posted By RevDeadCorpse:
Convicted child molesters should be executed.

But... your strawman is noted.

Now... about catching a felony for free speech and having your 2A rights infringed... Because THAT has actually happened.



Both are convicted of crimes that have additional consequences away from the serving of the sentence. You either support their rights being restored or you do not. No strawman but a 100% valid consequence of what you support.


Not even close. Absolute strawman. Getting a job is not a right like keeping and bearing arms.
Link Posted: 3/14/2024 8:48:38 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By UV18:



The law is the victim in both. The new crime has no victim. Registration, restrictions, and gun restrictions all are victimless crimes. The original felony in this case had one. The child molester, porn holder, or whatever else may have also had a real victim too.

Both original crimes may or may not be felonies. There are plenty of sex offenses that are misdemeanors and require registration, restrictions, and impact everyday life.

You either support rights restoration or you don't.
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Originally Posted By UV18:
Originally Posted By RevDeadCorpse:
It's literally the definition of a strawman argument. Conflating a felony for a crime where the law is the only "victim" with a felony that has a clear victim is about as far apart as you can get...





The law is the victim in both. The new crime has no victim. Registration, restrictions, and gun restrictions all are victimless crimes. The original felony in this case had one. The child molester, porn holder, or whatever else may have also had a real victim too.

Both original crimes may or may not be felonies. There are plenty of sex offenses that are misdemeanors and require registration, restrictions, and impact everyday life.

You either support rights restoration or you don't.

The law is the victim? Nope. Not how the law works.
Link Posted: 3/14/2024 8:53:14 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Gunner226:


What form of "supervison" should these people who cannot be trusted with a weapon be subject to? What does that look like?

Or are you suggesting that once someone has demonstrated they cannot he trusted with a weapon, that they should be imprisoned for the rest of their life or executed?
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Originally Posted By Gunner226:
Originally Posted By rb889:
Originally Posted By JeepersCreepers:


He was charged with violating a long-standing federal law that bans convicted felons from ever again possessing guns - a rule that applied to him because he was convicted in 2017 of aggravated assault with a firearm.

Good.  Fuck NBA YoungBoy.  Shoot at people who don't need to be shot at and you shouldn't be allowed to legally possess a gun ever again.


But to hell with the law. It’s been weaponized against decent folks, and will continue to be used against us to the point where voicing an unpopular opinion makes you a prohibited person.

Fuck that nonsense. If someone cannot be trusted with a weapon, they have no business walking around unsupervised.


What form of "supervison" should these people who cannot be trusted with a weapon be subject to? What does that look like?

Or are you suggesting that once someone has demonstrated they cannot he trusted with a weapon, that they should be imprisoned for the rest of their life or executed?

Are you in favor of categorically denying arms to people? Why?
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