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Link Posted: 3/29/2024 7:46:36 AM EDT
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If you're eligible to vote again, you should be eligible to possess arms again.

Rights are rights.
Link Posted: 3/29/2024 8:55:53 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By TW52:

"The average person (unknowingly) commits 3 felonies a day".

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Those are rookie numbers
Link Posted: 3/29/2024 3:09:03 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By grambosc:
If you're eligible to vote again, you should be eligible to possess arms again.

Rights are rights.
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Most people should not vote, fact!
Link Posted: 3/30/2024 5:36:32 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By RevDeadCorpse:
Creating a permanent disability gives little incentive to "straighten up and fly right" afterwards. Remaining a second class citizen is also problematic.

For every dirtbag rapper with a violence problem... how many Martha Stewarts, Wesley Snipes, and hell... even some of the J6 folks who were non-violent currently in jail on felony political persecutions, are there?

None of the Federal laws on the books pass even an abstract Constitutional "smell" test. The only reason the NFA, and later the GCA and FOPA that modified it and created new infringements, is still in place is because it gave government a LOT of power it isn't supposed to have in the first place.

Shall... not... be... infringed.
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You can also add to that list the likes of Robert Downy Jr. & Tim Allen.
Link Posted: 3/30/2024 6:45:11 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By UV18:
You either support rights restoration or you don't.
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This is where we can apply a little common sense (I hate that term these days). I don't believe murderers, rapists, or child predators deserve redemption; they should never be release back into society nor should they be a burden on the taxpayer for a life sentence.

A lot of domestic abuse, gang shit, youthful activities involving violence and even assault are from younger people who are in the wrong environment and haven't developed the maturity to control their actions or make smart decision in life. IF, big IF, they are incarcerated and given the chance to serve their sentence and demonstrate their ability to assimilate back into a society of law and order, their suspension of personal liberties should last as long as their probation...which should be no less than 5-10 years to prove their ability to remain a good citizen (which I doubt most will).

The Constitution is for US Citizens, you forfeit your citizenship when you harm others in society. Once you serve your debt to society, your citizenship status should be restored automatically if the individual can avoid their felonious lifestyle for a period of probation.

I know nothing about his case and have zero interest in it, but if this rapper kid served his time and kept his record clean after his release (how likely?), why shouldn't he be allowed to own a firearm? I'm sure he's able to freely exercise his 1A rights, and I bet there's nothing stopping him from voting. I know it's hard to defend someone like this knowing the rates of recidivism, but if we actually focused on facts of their charges to fully prosecute criminal behavior and the punishment matched the crime and progressed at a geometric rate for recidivism to the point "three strikes" meant life in prison or immediate death, less 2A proponents would argue against the defendant.

ROCK6



Link Posted: 3/30/2024 6:56:10 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By rb889:
Armed robbery, and possessing a rifle with a sub-16” barrel carry identical sentences.
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Too true

The NFA/GCA are victimless laws that shouldn't be there in the first place. As is, the process to have an SBR should be no different than registering a vehicle (without the stupid tax), and anyone "unlicensed" should be just given a warning the first time and a citation the second, third time should be a simple "impound" the firearm until you register. Only as an analogy as I don't think any NFAs should be registered or treated any different than any firearm, but if you apply the same laws to those who speed, have marijuana, get caught doing graffiti, or some other "victimless" violation of the law, the NFA would be nothing more than a suggestion until caught doing something that would attract LE attention.

ROCK6
Link Posted: 3/30/2024 8:14:00 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Gunner226:


What form of "supervison" should these people who cannot be trusted with a weapon be subject to? What does that look like?

Or are you suggesting that once someone has demonstrated they cannot he trusted with a weapon, that they should be imprisoned for the rest of their life or executed?
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Well, it worked well for England in the 19th century.  

Not only did they execute robbers, and murderers, I believe they normally carried out the sentence promptly, such as at dawn the day after the guilty verdict.

I can't confirm that happened in absolutely all cases though.
Link Posted: 4/23/2024 3:08:15 AM EDT
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Those are rookie numbers
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Originally Posted By DavidY:
Originally Posted By TW52:

"The average person (unknowingly) commits 3 felonies a day".



Those are rookie numbers


Learns chemistry maliciously.
Link Posted: 4/23/2024 6:03:14 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By JBecker_72:
You really think the average person commits three felonies a day? Give examples please.
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Link Posted: 4/23/2024 6:09:51 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By JeepersCreepers:


He was charged with violating a long-standing federal law that bans convicted felons from ever again possessing guns - a rule that applied to him because he was convicted in 2017 of aggravated assault with a firearm.

Good.  Fuck NBA YoungBoy.  Shoot at people who don't need to be shot at and you shouldn't be allowed to legally possess a gun ever again.
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But it's totally fine to spend a few years in jail and then be allowed to buy knives, crossbows, etc and be free to go sit in a movie theater or restaurant right next to innocent law abiding people.  That's perfectly okay, even if you murdered people, because once the government lets you out, as long as you can't buy a gun on a 4473, you are totally neutered and no longer a threat to society at all in any way.
Link Posted: 4/23/2024 6:19:12 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By dorobuta:
If you've served your sentence, you should get all your rights back. If you are safe enough to be in society, then you should be 100% a citizen, with all rights thereof.

If you are not safe enough to be in society, then you should not be released <- this is the crux of the problem.
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Exactly.

And there are too many "crimes" on the books, which is why prison overcrowding is a problem.  

We need to pare back all of the rules, laws and restrictions so they can fit in a pocket reference the size of a paperback novel, using a reasonably large font.

And things like car theft is modern day horse theft, and should carry the death penalty.  If you steal the equivalent of thousands of hours of time working to earn the money to buy a car, that's time the car owner can never get back.  It's like taking time off the end of their life.  Like making them die sooner.  Theft, is a form of deferred murder.  And it should be punished like murder.
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