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Posted: 4/29/2024 12:39:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mach: It can't, it sounds like this will not even be a senate voted on treaty. Looks like it will be an agreement, which is not binding on the next president and will need congressional funding each and every year. I think the next president can just null and void it.
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Posted: 4/29/2024 12:42:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 210grum: 1 trillion over 10 years is what they are discussing What’s the current rate? Like 100 billion every 3-4 months? |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 1:07:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chisum: If it is a draw, it is just a time out for Putin. if Ukraine loses, few will be rich much less alive. Genocide is guaranteed retribution from Putin. We would deserve more than loathing if we just sit and watch the bloodletting. Free, Ukraine can be the wall prootecting Europe from Russia. If Ukraine loses, it becomes the springboard for more aggression. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chisum: Originally Posted By dsteelman: In the end some Ukrainians will be filthy rich , many poor Ukrainians will be dead , and the rest will loathe the US for the next 100 years . If you’re going to help someone in a war you don’t piecemeal juuuuuust enough equipment to achieve a stalemate and endless death and suffering . You give them enough to win . If it is a draw, it is just a time out for Putin. if Ukraine loses, few will be rich much less alive. Genocide is guaranteed retribution from Putin. We would deserve more than loathing if we just sit and watch the bloodletting. Free, Ukraine can be the wall prootecting Europe from Russia. If Ukraine loses, it becomes the springboard for more aggression. Ukraine can't even protect Ukraine...now they're going to protect Europe? And Russia can't even beat up their retarded step brother...but they're going to beat up on Europe? |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 1:09:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mach: It can't, it sounds like this will not even be a senate voted on treaty. Looks like it will be an agreement, which is not binding on the next president and will need congressional funding each and every year. I think the next president can just null and void it. |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 3:36:11 PM EDT
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Good.
If they can beat the Orcs then that's a plus for humanity. The Russians have been a boil on the ass of the world for far too long. Fuckem. Send everything we are paying fucking people to decommission. All of it. F16s, brads, 113's, everything we have extra of. One of America's longest lasting enemies and people here are into sucking Russian cock. Num num num Putin numb num I hope after this is done they string Putin up like the Eye Tailians did to Mussolini. |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 3:43:35 PM EDT
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lol...
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MI, USA
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Posted: 4/29/2024 4:04:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mcantu:
Trump will likely continue the aid. Biden never recovered after the terrible Afghanistan withdraw. Ukraine would be 100tines worse. |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 4:08:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DarkStar: Well, at least Ukraine has this going for it.
I have seen it on the internet, it MUST be true. I know you are not that naive, you're doing it on purpose. And we both know why. |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 4:09:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Arty8: Are you OK? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Arty8: Originally Posted By GarandM1: Can't believe what I'm reading in this thread. Buncha Putin Puffers here. Look, do you people want to see T-72s rolling down the Champs-Elysses? Russian being spoken from Lisbon to Helsinki? Russian agents confiscating Form 4473s from hardware stores in rural Colorado? We must give Zelenskyy a trillion no-strings-attached dollars, or the Vatniks will win. In fact, make it two trillion; deficits are irrelevant anyway and the national debt will be paid for by our good friends the Saudis. Besides, we can cut Social Security to pay for it if we need to. Freedom isn't free, and if we don't stand up to the Russkies now then our society will collapse tomorrow. Remember, if it kills one orc then it's all worth it. Are you OK? No, with the new stuff Ukraine is getting he's afraid that they will hit his oblast too. |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 4:12:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Orion10182011: It's not sustainable for sure. We are broke, but we can kick the can down the road a long ways yet. Not sure Russia can. And we are still buying it. As is the rest of the world that don't give a shit about the United States. |
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MI, USA
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Posted: 4/29/2024 4:14:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Techsan02: And Russia can't even beat up their retarded step brother...but they're going to beat up on Europe? They absolutely can. Ukraine is being pushed on all axis because Russia has a huge munitions advantage from 6 months of no US aid. |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 4:22:55 PM EDT
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Ten years of aid and god only knows who much to aid their rebuilding if they win which they will not.
It will be funny when an audit is done in the future and we find out that despite Russia winning and taking over Ukraine it will reveal that no one stopped the aid. |
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MA, USA
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Posted: 4/29/2024 4:33:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By meistermash: Good. If they can beat the Orcs then that's a plus for humanity. The Russians have been a boil on the ass of the world for far too long. Fuckem. Send everything we are paying fucking people to decommission. All of it. F16s, brads, 113's, everything we have extra of. One of America's longest lasting enemies and people here are into sucking Russian cock. Num num num Putin numb num I hope after this is done they string Putin up like the Eye Tailians did to Mussolini. Here we go, another Ukebro obsessed with male homosexual acts. What is it with you guys? |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 4:42:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chisum: If it is a draw, it is just a time out for Putin. if Ukraine loses, few will be rich much less alive. Genocide is guaranteed retribution from Putin. We would deserve more than loathing if we just sit and watch the bloodletting. Free, Ukraine can be the wall prootecting Europe from Russia. If Ukraine loses, it becomes the springboard for more aggression. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chisum: Originally Posted By dsteelman: In the end some Ukrainians will be filthy rich , many poor Ukrainians will be dead , and the rest will loathe the US for the next 100 years . If you’re going to help someone in a war you don’t piecemeal juuuuuust enough equipment to achieve a stalemate and endless death and suffering . You give them enough to win . If it is a draw, it is just a time out for Putin. if Ukraine loses, few will be rich much less alive. Genocide is guaranteed retribution from Putin. We would deserve more than loathing if we just sit and watch the bloodletting. Free, Ukraine can be the wall prootecting Europe from Russia. If Ukraine loses, it becomes the springboard for more aggression. You have no problem with just sitting and watching bloodletting elsewhere in the world. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 4/29/2024 4:45:49 PM EDT
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10 more years of 10 percent for the big guy.
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Posted: 4/29/2024 4:54:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GarandM1: Can't believe what I'm reading in this thread. Buncha Putin Puffers here. Look, do you people want to see T-72s rolling down the Champs-Elysses? Russian being spoken from Lisbon to Helsinki? Russian agents confiscating Form 4473s from hardware stores in rural Colorado? We must give Zelenskyy a trillion no-strings-attached dollars, or the Vatniks will win. In fact, make it two trillion; deficits are irrelevant anyway and the national debt will be paid for by our good friends the Saudis. Besides, we can cut Social Security to pay for it if we need to. Freedom isn't free, and if we don't stand up to the Russkies now then our society will collapse tomorrow. Remember, if it kills one orc then it's all worth it. lol, the shire burning, and BMP-1s rolling up to the local dollar general. This is what the world will look like if Ukraine falls. 1 Trillion over 10 years, for reference the GDP of Ukraine is 160 billion. |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 5:45:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By meistermash: Good. If they can beat the Orcs then that's a plus for humanity. The Russians have been a boil on the ass of the world for far too long. Fuckem. Send everything we are paying fucking people to decommission. All of it. F16s, brads, 113's, everything we have extra of. One of America's longest lasting enemies and people here are into sucking Russian cock. Num num num Putin numb num I hope after this is done they string Putin up like the Eye Tailians did to Mussolini. Why don't we just do it ourselves if it's that important? |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 5:47:25 PM EDT
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Let me guess, Big Z will continue to ban elections during that period of time?
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MO, USA
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Posted: 4/29/2024 6:28:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By meistermash: Good. If they can beat the Orcs then that's a plus for humanity. The Russians have been a boil on the ass of the world for far too long. Fuckem. Send everything we are paying fucking people to decommission. All of it. F16s, brads, 113's, everything we have extra of. One of America's longest lasting enemies and people here are into sucking Russian cock. Num num num Putin numb num I hope after this is done they string Putin up like the Eye Tailians did to Mussolini. I’m cool with it as long as you agree to fund it 100%. You and the rest of the Ukebois can get a joint checking account or something. One that note what’s a good cigar/scotch paring to celebrate Ukraine falling with? |
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MO, USA
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Posted: 4/29/2024 6:31:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chisum: Well, genius, one thing is certain, he won't be paying anyone if Ukraine loses.  Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chisum: Originally Posted By sh768: Zelensky will be sure to pay us back https://media.tenor.com/RhrwK25DsTIAAAAe/dumb-and-dumber-iou.png Well, genius, one thing is certain, he won't be paying anyone if Ukraine loses. He won’t be paying anyone back if he wins either. Instead we’ll just dump another trillion into rebuilding that worthless shithole. At least if he loses we can stop burning dollars on a worthless cause. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 4/29/2024 6:32:32 PM EDT
[#21]
Already asking for more.
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Posted: 4/29/2024 6:41:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Techsan02: When American bodies start stacking in that shit hole, will the current supporters of the war cheer or not? Sure, because they will have avoided the deployment themselves. |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 7:03:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sh768: Zelensky will be sure to pay us back https://media.tenor.com/RhrwK25DsTIAAAAe/dumb-and-dumber-iou.png Already did a long time ago, and in fact we got millions in nuclear materials for pennies on the dollar during the same time during the fall of the USSR, that we used for nuclear reactor fuel here in the USA. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction So if you want to bitch about the USA upholding or end of the 1994 memorandum, then could have just let them keep their nukes, and Ukraine would not be in the position it is now, nor would have ever wanted to Join Nato for protection/profit in the first place. Hence USA made the deal, and now needs to stand behind it. And just a reminder for other conflicts going on as well, Israel has nukes that we gave them, while Iran does not. So Israel retaliation missile strike to Iran, was to show Iran that they can get a missile through their defense, and that the next time, it may be a short range or bomb nuke that is used. Bottom line, its keeping the conflicts in the world now to conventional arms conflicts no mater the cost, to prevent even a single nuke from being used in them, since the if a nuke is used, will open the flood gates for more to be used as well. That happen (which will start off as a bomb drop/short range missle nuke), and it pretty much game over for the world when it turns into ICBM long range nukes begin used next. https://thebulletin.org/doomsday-clock/current-time/ |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 7:04:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ArmyInfantryVet: Trump will likely continue the aid. Biden never recovered after the terrible Afghanistan withdraw. Ukraine would be 100tines worse. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ArmyInfantryVet: Originally Posted By mcantu:
Trump will likely continue the aid. Biden never recovered after the terrible Afghanistan withdraw. Ukraine would be 100tines worse. Do we have men on the ground in the ukraine?... |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 7:06:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Abakan: No, with the new stuff Ukraine is getting he's afraid that they will hit his oblast too. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Abakan: Originally Posted By Arty8: Originally Posted By GarandM1: Can't believe what I'm reading in this thread. Buncha Putin Puffers here. Look, do you people want to see T-72s rolling down the Champs-Elysses? Russian being spoken from Lisbon to Helsinki? Russian agents confiscating Form 4473s from hardware stores in rural Colorado? We must give Zelenskyy a trillion no-strings-attached dollars, or the Vatniks will win. In fact, make it two trillion; deficits are irrelevant anyway and the national debt will be paid for by our good friends the Saudis. Besides, we can cut Social Security to pay for it if we need to. Freedom isn't free, and if we don't stand up to the Russkies now then our society will collapse tomorrow. Remember, if it kills one orc then it's all worth it. Are you OK? No, with the new stuff Ukraine is getting he's afraid that they will hit his oblast too. Reported... |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 7:09:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SamBoga: Already asking for more. You feed a stray and they keep coming back... |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 4/29/2024 7:46:25 PM EDT
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scheme is right
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Posted: 4/29/2024 7:50:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JarheadPatriot: Russia is still selling oil. And we are still buying it. As is the rest of the world that don't give a shit about the United States. Can I get a Mod to PM me, for approval or not to discuss the sanctions? Don't want the thread locked. But have friends in Russia that might can add some insight. |
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MO, USA
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Posted: 4/29/2024 8:34:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SamBoga: Already asking for more. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GMXIjMIaYAEqIxq?format=jpg&name=medium Spoiler Alert: It will never be enough. As long as they stand they will always have their hand out for more and the uniparty will keep on giving till it hurts. |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 8:46:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Techsan02: He’ll get whatever he wants and like it! Fuck the US taxpayers! |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 4/29/2024 9:07:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JimEb: Hopefully just a piece of wartime propaganda. Thinking Russia will lose hope knowing their enemy has employed the money cheat code. But then may backfire as Russia knows when they went broke in the cold war. The US is funding every god damn war right now…even opposing sides. How sustainable us that? Nothing we are doing financially is sustainable. I don't think "sustainable" is even a passing thought for politicians. |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 11:47:47 PM EDT
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Wonder how much they'll ask for after Russia tac-nukes them.
400 billion? |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 11:56:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Foxtrot08: But I was told it wasn’t a forever war…… I know right? Who could have seen this coming? |
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THA
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Posted: 4/30/2024 12:02:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ottodog8: Here we go, another Ukebro obsessed with male homosexual acts. What is it with you guys? They accuse anyone not suporting the raping of American tax payers of sucking pooty dick all the while being DT face fucked by that midget grifter Zelensky. No less mentally ill than a white leftist woman. |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 1:04:56 AM EDT
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It is too bad democrats didn't hate Russia during the cold war.
It was democrats who cut off continuing support for South Vietnam. It was democrats that strangled aid meant to fight communism in south and central america. And now, the democrats are worried the Russians are going to attack western europe? Sorry, but that was 35 years ago. Where were you when the free world needed you back then? |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 1:45:26 AM EDT
[Last Edit: HKocher]
[#36]
On the bright side, if Russia defeats Ukraine in less than ten years does that mean we get to keep some of our money?
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Posted: 4/30/2024 2:13:55 AM EDT
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Ukraine is the hill that progressive Democrats want to die on.
A trillion dollars lol fuck these anti-American fucks |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 2:15:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By exDefensorMilitas: You have no problem with just sitting and watching bloodletting elsewhere in the world. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By exDefensorMilitas: You have no problem with just sitting and watching bloodletting elsewhere in the world. Ya'll have no problem sitting back and doing nothing about the border. It's not some distraction, it's a logical point. You demand others do stuff yet you are unwilling to do anything about the problems you contend are pressing. Originally Posted By ArmyInfantryVet: Trump will likely continue the aid. Biden never recovered after the terrible Afghanistan withdraw. Ukraine would be 100tines worse. If Trump came out today and cemented himself as being pro-Ukraine and also reversed his horrible Clotshot support I could reconsider. As it stands the weapon used to attack me and cause me to nearly lose my mil career was created by Trump. Originally Posted By 56xdx_Z: lol, the shire burning, and BMP-1s rolling up to the local dollar general. This is what the world will look like if Ukraine falls. 1 Trillion over 10 years, for reference the GDP of Ukraine is 160 billion. Imagine if Russia simply stopped the war to conquer and annex a free people and abided by the treaty they signed. Originally Posted By Techsan02: Ukraine can't even protect Ukraine...now they're going to protect Europe? And Russia can't even beat up their retarded step brother...but they're going to beat up on Europe? Russia claims that they can and they launched the war on the premise they could. Whether or not they can is immaterial. Look at the devastation they caused. Look at how much Ukraine is of the federal budget. It's disgusting. Not a single cent for entitlements or student loan repayments.   Attached FileOriginally Posted By Techsan02: When American bodies start stacking in that shit hole, will the current supporters of the war cheer or not? I guess it depends who is in office. By the end of Iraq and Afghanistan, a portion of Americans were fist pumping when Americans died over there. Those people cheering then are the same flying trans and Uke flags now on their front porch, I'm just curious how they'll feel if administrations change.  Attached FileThere are Americans who have moved to Russia who would love to see every single American gone. Ukraine was great until Biden was in office, now it's a problem. We never had any problems whatsoever with troop deployments there during Trump or any grumbles about the "grift". Had this happened under Trump most of the people here would be complete opposites. Originally Posted By Alacran:
What have you done to help the tornado victims? Originally Posted By Alacran: Ukraine is running out of bodies to throw at the front lines. Money alone does not win a war. The only chance that Ukraine has to win is with the direct involvement of the US and NATO and we all know what that ultimately means. Are you willing to go that far? Is this another one of your "Ukraine will soon be joining nato". Can you state when? |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 2:15:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HKocher: On the bright side, if Russia defeats Ukraine in less than ten years does that mean we get to keep some of our money? Our border is wide open and our capital cities look like third world African countries and they want to send a trillion dollars to Ukraine. Another 4 years of Biden is going to be bad |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 12:21:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fadedsun: What have you done to help the tornado victims? Is this another one of your "Ukraine will soon be joining nato". Can you state when? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fadedsun: Originally Posted By Alacran:
What have you done to help the tornado victims? Originally Posted By Alacran: Ukraine is running out of bodies to throw at the front lines. Money alone does not win a war. The only chance that Ukraine has to win is with the direct involvement of the US and NATO and we all know what that ultimately means. Are you willing to go that far? Is this another one of your "Ukraine will soon be joining nato". Can you state when? I have family all over Oklahoma. My cousin lost his house to a direct hit in 2016, so what do you think? If you think Ukraine’s army can win on their own, you are delusional, but then again, you have created numerous propaganda threads on how Ukraine is winning & Russia is on the run. At least Zelenskyyy knows enough that he tried hard to get NATO’s involvement when Ukraine shot a missile into Poland and promptly blamed it on Russia. Ukraine needs NATO’s involvement if they are going to survive. Meanwhile, Ukraine is running out of bodies. The average Ukrainian soldier is 43-years-old, according to Time Magazine. When the war began in February 2022, the average Ukrainian soldier was between 30 and 35 years old. https://www.businessinsider.com/average-age-ukrainian-soldier-43-amid-personnel-problems-2023-11 |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 2:25:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fadedsun: Ya'll have no problem sitting back and doing nothing about the border. It's not some distraction, it's a logical point. You demand others do stuff yet you are unwilling to do anything about the problems you contend are pressing. If Trump came out today and cemented himself as being pro-Ukraine and also reversed his horrible Clotshot support I could reconsider. As it stands the weapon used to attack me and cause me to nearly lose my mil career was created by Trump. Imagine if Russia simply stopped the war to conquer and annex a free people and abided by the treaty they signed. Russia claims that they can and they launched the war on the premise they could. Whether or not they can is immaterial. Look at the devastation they caused. Look at how much Ukraine is of the federal budget. It's disgusting. Not a single cent for entitlements or student loan repayments. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/51435/2024_budget_jpeg-3201799.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/51435/scumbag_png-3201800.JPG There are Americans who have moved to Russia who would love to see every single American gone. Ukraine was great until Biden was in office, now it's a problem. We never had any problems whatsoever with troop deployments there during Trump or any grumbles about the "grift". Had this happened under Trump most of the people here would be complete opposites. What have you done to help the tornado victims? Is this another one of your "Ukraine will soon be joining nato". Can you state when? lol |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 2:40:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chaingun: It's not as bad as the enemy funding the other side Iran has a leg up, using billions in US funding.  The West is still buying Russian oil. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 4/30/2024 2:43:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dano523: Already did a long time ago, and in fact we got millions in nuclear materials for pennies on the dollar during the same time during the fall of the USSR, that we used for nuclear reactor fuel here in the USA. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction So if you want to bitch about the USA upholding or end of the 1994 memorandum, then could have just let them keep their nukes, and Ukraine would not be in the position it is now, nor would have ever wanted to Join Nato for protection/profit in the first place. Hence USA made the deal, and now needs to stand behind it. Memorandum != Treaty |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 3:04:26 PM EDT
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Does Ukraine even have 10 year's worth of bodies to throw into the meat grinder?
Hell, I have serious doubts the US will still be around in 5 years. Then again, Russia was supposed to implode a year ago so who knows. |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 3:07:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fadedsun: If Trump came out today and cemented himself as being pro-Ukraine and also reversed his horrible Clotshot support I could reconsider. As it stands the weapon used to attack me and cause me to nearly lose my mil career was created by Trump. |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 3:29:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fadedsun: Ya'll have no problem sitting back and doing nothing about the border. It's not some distraction, it's a logical point. You demand others do stuff yet you are unwilling to do anything about the problems you contend are pressing. If Trump came out today and cemented himself as being pro-Ukraine and also reversed his horrible Clotshot support I could reconsider. As it stands the weapon used to attack me and cause me to nearly lose my mil career was created by Trump. Imagine if Russia simply stopped the war to conquer and annex a free people and abided by the treaty they signed. Russia claims that they can and they launched the war on the premise they could. Whether or not they can is immaterial. Look at the devastation they caused. Look at how much Ukraine is of the federal budget. It's disgusting. Not a single cent for entitlements or student loan repayments. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/51435/2024_budget_jpeg-3201799.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/51435/scumbag_png-3201800.JPG There are Americans who have moved to Russia who would love to see every single American gone. Ukraine was great until Biden was in office, now it's a problem. We never had any problems whatsoever with troop deployments there during Trump or any grumbles about the "grift". Had this happened under Trump most of the people here would be complete opposites. What have you done to help the tornado victims? Is this another one of your "Ukraine will soon be joining nato". Can you state when? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fadedsun: Originally Posted By exDefensorMilitas: You have no problem with just sitting and watching bloodletting elsewhere in the world. Ya'll have no problem sitting back and doing nothing about the border. It's not some distraction, it's a logical point. You demand others do stuff yet you are unwilling to do anything about the problems you contend are pressing. Originally Posted By ArmyInfantryVet: Trump will likely continue the aid. Biden never recovered after the terrible Afghanistan withdraw. Ukraine would be 100tines worse. If Trump came out today and cemented himself as being pro-Ukraine and also reversed his horrible Clotshot support I could reconsider. As it stands the weapon used to attack me and cause me to nearly lose my mil career was created by Trump. Originally Posted By 56xdx_Z: lol, the shire burning, and BMP-1s rolling up to the local dollar general. This is what the world will look like if Ukraine falls. 1 Trillion over 10 years, for reference the GDP of Ukraine is 160 billion. Imagine if Russia simply stopped the war to conquer and annex a free people and abided by the treaty they signed. Originally Posted By Techsan02: Ukraine can't even protect Ukraine...now they're going to protect Europe? And Russia can't even beat up their retarded step brother...but they're going to beat up on Europe? Russia claims that they can and they launched the war on the premise they could. Whether or not they can is immaterial. Look at the devastation they caused. Look at how much Ukraine is of the federal budget. It's disgusting. Not a single cent for entitlements or student loan repayments. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/51435/2024_budget_jpeg-3201799.JPG Originally Posted By Techsan02: When American bodies start stacking in that shit hole, will the current supporters of the war cheer or not? I guess it depends who is in office. By the end of Iraq and Afghanistan, a portion of Americans were fist pumping when Americans died over there. Those people cheering then are the same flying trans and Uke flags now on their front porch, I'm just curious how they'll feel if administrations change. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/51435/scumbag_png-3201800.JPG There are Americans who have moved to Russia who would love to see every single American gone. Ukraine was great until Biden was in office, now it's a problem. We never had any problems whatsoever with troop deployments there during Trump or any grumbles about the "grift". Had this happened under Trump most of the people here would be complete opposites. Originally Posted By Alacran:
What have you done to help the tornado victims? Originally Posted By Alacran: Ukraine is running out of bodies to throw at the front lines. Money alone does not win a war. The only chance that Ukraine has to win is with the direct involvement of the US and NATO and we all know what that ultimately means. Are you willing to go that far? Is this another one of your "Ukraine will soon be joining nato". Can you state when? Whether or not they can is immaterial....really? We all know Russia is too stupid and corrupt to beat up on Ukraine, but to keep the grift going, we better pretend that they can, right? Ukraine, student loan repayments, and 'entitlements' should all be $0 in the federal budget, don't you agree? All 3 of them are just wealth transfers and opportunities for certain entities to skim off the backs of tax payers., |
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Posted: 5/1/2024 2:07:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kelty: The entire clot shot was a military op. It was the military that nearly ended your military career. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kelty: The entire clot shot was a military op. It was the military that nearly ended your military career. It was Arfcom's favorite president who created it and stands by his creation.  Attached FileOriginally Posted By Techsan02: Whether or not they can is immaterial....really? We all know Russia is too stupid and corrupt to beat up on Ukraine, but to keep the grift going, we better pretend that they can, right? Ukraine, student loan repayments, and 'entitlements' should all be $0 in the federal budget, don't you agree? All 3 of them are just wealth transfers and opportunities for certain entities to skim off the backs of tax payers., Only on 2 of those. The fed gov budget needs to be cut to about half of what it is now and a flat tax introduced. Fun fact: The founding fathers sent foreign aid...begged for it, too. The success of our early nation was built on foreign aid. If I was president I would change up a lot. Originally Posted By Alacran: If you think Ukraine’s army can win on their own, you are delusional, but then again, you have created numerous propaganda threads on how Ukraine is winning & Russia is on the run. At least Zelenskyyy knows enough that he tried hard to get NATO’s involvement when Ukraine shot a missile into Poland and promptly blamed it on Russia. Ukraine needs NATO’s involvement if they are going to survive. Let's look at the hypocrisy of the current "Conservative" reporting on Ukraine. First, let's apply the same standard to both sides. If Ukraine is not winning because they haven't pushed Russia out of all territories occupied... ...then Russia is still losing. Russia claims all of Ukraine and went so far as to claim they could conquer Ukraine in a few days and declared victory on day 2 of the war. Russia has not taken all of Ukraine. Russia has taken an enormous beating to include losing 10-20% of the one of their primary fleets that is supposed to stand against Nato, the black sea fleet and that's including the flagship. If we lost a carrier during the iraq war and were fighting over 17% of Ukraine it wouldn't be a victory. Originally Posted By Alacran: Meanwhile, Ukraine is running out of bodies. The average Ukrainian soldier is 43-years-old, according to Time Magazine. When the war began in February 2022, the average Ukrainian soldier was between 30 and 35 years old. https://www.businessinsider.com/average-age-ukrainian-soldier-43-amid-personnel-problems-2023-11  Attached File Attached File Attached File Attached File Attached File Any idea when Ukraine will run out of men? |
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Posted: 5/1/2024 6:39:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By meistermash: One of America's longest lasting enemies and people here are into sucking Russian cock. Num num num Putin numb num Did you just write out dick sucking noises? That's pretty gay man. You may be projecting. |
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Posted: 5/1/2024 8:58:10 AM EDT
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Posted: 5/1/2024 9:02:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fadedsun: It was Arfcom's favorite president who created it and stands by his creation. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/51435/trump_pandemic_truth_social_jpg-3202308.JPG Only on 2 of those. The fed gov budget needs to be cut to about half of what it is now and a flat tax introduced. Fun fact: The founding fathers sent foreign aid...begged for it, too. The success of our early nation was built on foreign aid. If I was president I would change up a lot. Let's look at the hypocrisy of the current "Conservative" reporting on Ukraine. First, let's apply the same standard to both sides. If Ukraine is not winning because they haven't pushed Russia out of all territories occupied... ...then Russia is still losing. Russia claims all of Ukraine and went so far as to claim they could conquer Ukraine in a few days and declared victory on day 2 of the war. Russia has not taken all of Ukraine. Russia has taken an enormous beating to include losing 10-20% of the one of their primary fleets that is supposed to stand against Nato, the black sea fleet and that's including the flagship. If we lost a carrier during the iraq war and were fighting over 17% of Ukraine it wouldn't be a victory. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/51435/Russia_to_liberate_odeas_by_september_jp-3202610.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/51435/z1LDSyq_jpg-3202611.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/51435/BHZvwTw_jpg-3202612.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/51435/sC4khOV_jpg-3202613.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/51435/UjNmTPi_jpg-3202614.JPG Any idea when Ukraine will run out of men? 
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