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Posted: 12/5/2023 8:30:25 PM EDT
https://nypost.com/2023/12/05/news/ukraines-zelensky-is-turning-into-an-autocrat-claims-kyiv-mayor/ Zelensky turning Ukraine into authoritarian state just like Russia, says Kyiv mayor in shocking interview By Social Links forSnejana Farberov Published Dec. 5, 2023, 12:38 p.m. ET Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky is becoming an autocrat who is reshaping Ukraine into an authoritarian state no different than Russia, Kyiv Mayor Vitali Klitschko has shockingly claimed. Klitschko, a former heavyweight boxing champion-turned-politician, took the unprecedented step of publicly attacking Zelensky, an ex-comedian and actor, so vehemently for the first time since Russia’s invasion of Ukraine 21 months ago. 
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Posted: 12/5/2023 8:31:27 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/5/2023 8:33:12 PM EDT
[#2]
Sketti thread, oh wait...
In before the cult!  |
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Posted: 12/5/2023 8:43:04 PM EDT
[#3]
I have the utmost respect for Klitschko.
But not the little money sucking Penis Piano Man. |
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Posted: 12/5/2023 8:43:35 PM EDT
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The bloodless change of power is required for free men.
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Posted: 12/5/2023 8:44:51 PM EDT
[#5]
He should just bitch slap Zee ,and take over the job.
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Posted: 12/5/2023 8:45:51 PM EDT
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Well,........he ain't wrong. |
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Posted: 12/5/2023 8:46:29 PM EDT
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Closes churches.
Press Gangs just like the old days. Suspends elections. Buys big toys for himself. Heck, Chiang Kai Shek did some of that sh*t himself. I expect nothing different from a tinpot dictator. |
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Posted: 12/5/2023 8:47:03 PM EDT
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We need to send more US dollars to fix this
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Posted: 12/5/2023 8:48:04 PM EDT
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Russian Troll!
Russian Propaganda! Kremlin troll farm! Why do you hate America so much??? Keep spreading Moscow talking points, comrade! I have the movie The Day After on videocassette! |
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Posted: 12/5/2023 8:49:08 PM EDT
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This is not breaking news. The authoritarian power grab has been going on for over a year. Ukraine is more authoritarian than Russia now and it wasn't a bastion of freedom to start with.
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Posted: 12/5/2023 8:51:12 PM EDT
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Question; is this why authoritarian "leaders" in the US get along so well with him?
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Posted: 12/5/2023 9:33:35 PM EDT
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When does this become a meme?
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Posted: 12/5/2023 9:38:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Russian Troll! Russian Propaganda! Kremlin troll farm! Why do you hate America so much??? Keep spreading Moscow talking points, comrade! I have the movie The Day After on videocassette! That article is a Russian information operation. Can you PROVE its not? Didnt think so. |
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Posted: 12/5/2023 9:45:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Closes churches. Press Gangs just like the old days. Suspends elections. Buys big toys for himself. Heck, Chiang Kai Shek did some of that sh*t himself. I expect nothing different from a tinpot dictator. Such as yachts ? |
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Posted: 12/5/2023 9:47:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Such as yachts ? Did you hear about the villa in Egypt too? |
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Posted: 12/5/2023 9:49:14 PM EDT
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In before Klitschko has an accident.
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Posted: 12/5/2023 9:49:43 PM EDT
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Military Summary channel has been covering the situation during the first few minutes of the episodes. Zelensky seems to be getting ready to replace Zaluzhny, and various figures are lining up behind Zaluzhny, they see him as a realist who would not have sacrificed everything in the ill fated counteroffensive. All elections are suspended in Ukraine even including parliment.
 Zelensky Flew To Ask For Money. The Ukrainian Front At Bakhmut Collapsed. Military Summary 2023.12.5 |
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Posted: 12/5/2023 9:52:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Military Summary channel has been covering the situation during the first few minutes of the episodes. Zelensky seems to be getting ready to replace Zaluzhny, and various figures are lining up behind Zaluzhny, they see him as a realist who would not have sacrificed everything in the ill fated counteroffensive. All elections are suspended in Ukraine even including parliment.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIrUuIfINWQWhat is everything that was sacrificed ? |
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Posted: 12/5/2023 9:56:23 PM EDT
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'just like russia'
l-o-l sounds like mr mayor has designs on a higher office and here's a note : in ACTUAL Russia -- a political opponent would be IMPRISONED or MURDERED for speaking out about their leader |
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Posted: 12/5/2023 9:57:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Question; is this why authoritarian "leaders" in the US get along so well with him? 
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Posted: 12/5/2023 10:08:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Question; is this why authoritarian "leaders" in the US get along so well with him? Because like him most of them owe their position to Soros and various malevolent deep state grifters |
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Posted: 12/5/2023 10:09:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 'just like russia' l-o-l sounds like mr mayor has designs on a higher office and here's a note : in ACTUAL Russia -- a political opponent would be IMPRISONED or MURDERED for speaking out about their leader Quoting this for when Zelensky has him locked up |
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Posted: 12/5/2023 10:13:06 PM EDT
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Ukraine is in ruins. Many who fled are never coming back and probably a quarter million are dead for no reason. Except maybe Russian restraint, could have been much worse
All Z had to do was publicly denounce intentions to join NATO and have NATO weapons Parked in Eastern Ukraine. Adopt a position of neutrality between U.S. and Russia. But that's not why we overthrew the Ukrainian government and installed him. Nor why the vice presidents son was installed into their oil and gas industry. Really sucks for Ukraine and Ukrainians. Take a lesson from American conservatives on the topic of trusting the U.S. government. Now if fighting Russia at all costs really was the will of the people then the effort they put forth is commendable and they have proved to be a formidable force. It's their right to fight and die protecting their homeland. But I hope they knew that it was ultimately hopeless and didn't buy into our governments lies and media propaganda. That they did it in spite of all that. They were doomed without a commited partner on the battlefield. |
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Posted: 12/5/2023 10:15:25 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/5/2023 10:18:02 PM EDT
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The billions have transferred hands as was the plan.
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Posted: 12/5/2023 10:18:50 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/5/2023 10:19:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 'just like russia' l-o-l sounds like mr mayor has designs on a higher office and here's a note : in ACTUAL Russia -- a political opponent would be IMPRISONED or MURDERED for speaking out about their leader https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/former-ukrainian-president-lands-kyiv-face-treason-case-2022-01-17/ https://www.cnbc.com/2022/04/12/zelenskyy-ukraine-arrested-viktor-medvedchuk-pro-putin-politician.html https://www.politico.com/news/2022/07/18/ukraine-politics-zelenskyy-00046370 https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/orthodox-leader-in-kyiv-ordered-under-house-arrest-by-ukrainian-court https://mises.org/power-market/zelenskys-well-documented-history-crushing-dissent |
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Posted: 12/5/2023 10:21:58 PM EDT
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Meet the new boss same as the old boss.
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Posted: 12/5/2023 10:29:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ukraine is in ruins. Many who fled are never coming back and probably a quarter million are dead for no reason. Except maybe Russian restraint, could have been much worse All Z had to do was publicly denounce intentions to join NATO and have NATO weapons Parked in Eastern Ukraine. Adopt a position of neutrality between U.S. and Russia. But that's not why we overthrew the Ukrainian government and installed him. Nor why the vice presidents son was installed into their oil and gas industry. Really sucks for Ukraine and Ukrainians. Take a lesson from American conservatives on the topic of trusting the U.S. government. Now if fighting Russia at all costs really was the will of the people then the effort they put forth is commendable and they have proved to be a formidable force. It's their right to fight and die protecting their homeland. But I hope they knew that it was ultimately hopeless and didn't buy into our governments lies and media propaganda. That they did it in spite of all that. They were doomed without a commited partner on the battlefield. "All Z had to do was publicly denounce intentions to join NATO and have NATO weapons Parked in Eastern Ukraine." If only that skirt wouldn't have been so short I wouldn't have raped her and fucked her in the ass in front of you "Russian restraint" Lol. |
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Posted: 12/5/2023 10:32:47 PM EDT
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Ukraine is winning...
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Posted: 12/5/2023 10:40:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: "All Z had to do was publicly denounce intentions to join NATO and have NATO weapons Parked in Eastern Ukraine." If only that skirt wouldn't have been so short I wouldn't have raped her and fucked her in the ass in front of you "Russian restraint" Lol. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Ukraine is in ruins. Many who fled are never coming back and probably a quarter million are dead for no reason. Except maybe Russian restraint, could have been much worse All Z had to do was publicly denounce intentions to join NATO and have NATO weapons Parked in Eastern Ukraine. Adopt a position of neutrality between U.S. and Russia. But that's not why we overthrew the Ukrainian government and installed him. Nor why the vice presidents son was installed into their oil and gas industry. Really sucks for Ukraine and Ukrainians. Take a lesson from American conservatives on the topic of trusting the U.S. government. Now if fighting Russia at all costs really was the will of the people then the effort they put forth is commendable and they have proved to be a formidable force. It's their right to fight and die protecting their homeland. But I hope they knew that it was ultimately hopeless and didn't buy into our governments lies and media propaganda. That they did it in spite of all that. They were doomed without a commited partner on the battlefield. "All Z had to do was publicly denounce intentions to join NATO and have NATO weapons Parked in Eastern Ukraine." If only that skirt wouldn't have been so short I wouldn't have raped her and fucked her in the ass in front of you "Russian restraint" Lol. I was expecting a retort but I was expecting it in the form of an intelligent response. That anecdote, while cute and edgy doesn't fit the situation. |
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Posted: 12/5/2023 10:41:22 PM EDT
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Rated epic
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Posted: 12/5/2023 10:42:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 'just like russia' l-o-l sounds like mr mayor has designs on a higher office and here's a note : in ACTUAL Russia -- a political opponent would be IMPRISONED or MURDERED for speaking out about their leader Yep. This guy will be a darling on Rogan and on here for about 6 months until the next dreamy calendar pinup contrarian shows up and we forget about him. |
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Posted: 12/5/2023 10:45:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I was expecting a retort but I was expecting it in the form of an intelligent response. That anecdote, while cute and edgy doesn't fit the situation. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Ukraine is in ruins. Many who fled are never coming back and probably a quarter million are dead for no reason. Except maybe Russian restraint, could have been much worse All Z had to do was publicly denounce intentions to join NATO and have NATO weapons Parked in Eastern Ukraine. Adopt a position of neutrality between U.S. and Russia. But that's not why we overthrew the Ukrainian government and installed him. Nor why the vice presidents son was installed into their oil and gas industry. Really sucks for Ukraine and Ukrainians. Take a lesson from American conservatives on the topic of trusting the U.S. government. Now if fighting Russia at all costs really was the will of the people then the effort they put forth is commendable and they have proved to be a formidable force. It's their right to fight and die protecting their homeland. But I hope they knew that it was ultimately hopeless and didn't buy into our governments lies and media propaganda. That they did it in spite of all that. They were doomed without a commited partner on the battlefield. "All Z had to do was publicly denounce intentions to join NATO and have NATO weapons Parked in Eastern Ukraine." If only that skirt wouldn't have been so short I wouldn't have raped her and fucked her in the ass in front of you "Russian restraint" Lol. I was expecting a retort but I was expecting it in the form of an intelligent response. That anecdote, while cute and edgy doesn't fit the situation. Ukebros are accusing name-callers. Got the deep warm feelz for Uke authoritarianism. |
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Posted: 12/5/2023 10:46:15 PM EDT
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Kitcsko vs zelenski in the sq circle. Id pay for that.
F yo spelling |
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Posted: 12/5/2023 10:48:01 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Sketti thread, oh wait... In before the cult! You are the cult buddy |
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Posted: 12/5/2023 10:48:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ukebros are accusing name-callers. Got the deep warm feelz for Uke authoritarianism. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Ukraine is in ruins. Many who fled are never coming back and probably a quarter million are dead for no reason. Except maybe Russian restraint, could have been much worse All Z had to do was publicly denounce intentions to join NATO and have NATO weapons Parked in Eastern Ukraine. Adopt a position of neutrality between U.S. and Russia. But that's not why we overthrew the Ukrainian government and installed him. Nor why the vice presidents son was installed into their oil and gas industry. Really sucks for Ukraine and Ukrainians. Take a lesson from American conservatives on the topic of trusting the U.S. government. Now if fighting Russia at all costs really was the will of the people then the effort they put forth is commendable and they have proved to be a formidable force. It's their right to fight and die protecting their homeland. But I hope they knew that it was ultimately hopeless and didn't buy into our governments lies and media propaganda. That they did it in spite of all that. They were doomed without a commited partner on the battlefield. "All Z had to do was publicly denounce intentions to join NATO and have NATO weapons Parked in Eastern Ukraine." If only that skirt wouldn't have been so short I wouldn't have raped her and fucked her in the ass in front of you "Russian restraint" Lol. I was expecting a retort but I was expecting it in the form of an intelligent response. That anecdote, while cute and edgy doesn't fit the situation. Ukebros are accusing name-callers. Got the deep warm feelz for Uke authoritarianism. Yeah, I know. It would be nice if we could have intelligent conversations about serious issues based in facts. But I get it. I have the same inclination towards hamas. But that actually makes sense. ETA: They don't even realize they are deep-throating Obama and Biden geopolitics with a seductive smile while making eye contact. |
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Posted: 12/5/2023 10:49:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Such as yachts ? Big houses/palaces. |
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Posted: 12/5/2023 10:50:28 PM EDT
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Our greatest ally and the only democracy in the east.
Wait, wrong thread. |
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Posted: 12/5/2023 10:50:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Guess who else has been arresting and imprisoning political opponents? Pedo Pedro with the 1/6ers? |
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Posted: 12/5/2023 10:52:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ukebros are accusing name-callers. Got the deep warm feelz for Uke authoritarianism. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Ukraine is in ruins. Many who fled are never coming back and probably a quarter million are dead for no reason. Except maybe Russian restraint, could have been much worse All Z had to do was publicly denounce intentions to join NATO and have NATO weapons Parked in Eastern Ukraine. Adopt a position of neutrality between U.S. and Russia. But that's not why we overthrew the Ukrainian government and installed him. Nor why the vice presidents son was installed into their oil and gas industry. Really sucks for Ukraine and Ukrainians. Take a lesson from American conservatives on the topic of trusting the U.S. government. Now if fighting Russia at all costs really was the will of the people then the effort they put forth is commendable and they have proved to be a formidable force. It's their right to fight and die protecting their homeland. But I hope they knew that it was ultimately hopeless and didn't buy into our governments lies and media propaganda. That they did it in spite of all that. They were doomed without a commited partner on the battlefield. "All Z had to do was publicly denounce intentions to join NATO and have NATO weapons Parked in Eastern Ukraine." If only that skirt wouldn't have been so short I wouldn't have raped her and fucked her in the ass in front of you "Russian restraint" Lol. I was expecting a retort but I was expecting it in the form of an intelligent response. That anecdote, while cute and edgy doesn't fit the situation. Ukebros are accusing name-callers. Got the deep warm feelz for Uke authoritarianism. What name would that be ? |
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Posted: 12/5/2023 10:54:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah, I know. It would be nice if we could have intelligent conversations about serious issues based in facts. But I get it. I have the same inclination towards hamas. But that actually makes sense. ETA: They don't even realize they are deep-throating Obama and Biden geopolitics with a seductive smile while making eye contact. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Ukraine is in ruins. Many who fled are never coming back and probably a quarter million are dead for no reason. Except maybe Russian restraint, could have been much worse All Z had to do was publicly denounce intentions to join NATO and have NATO weapons Parked in Eastern Ukraine. Adopt a position of neutrality between U.S. and Russia. But that's not why we overthrew the Ukrainian government and installed him. Nor why the vice presidents son was installed into their oil and gas industry. Really sucks for Ukraine and Ukrainians. Take a lesson from American conservatives on the topic of trusting the U.S. government. Now if fighting Russia at all costs really was the will of the people then the effort they put forth is commendable and they have proved to be a formidable force. It's their right to fight and die protecting their homeland. But I hope they knew that it was ultimately hopeless and didn't buy into our governments lies and media propaganda. That they did it in spite of all that. They were doomed without a commited partner on the battlefield. "All Z had to do was publicly denounce intentions to join NATO and have NATO weapons Parked in Eastern Ukraine." If only that skirt wouldn't have been so short I wouldn't have raped her and fucked her in the ass in front of you "Russian restraint" Lol. I was expecting a retort but I was expecting it in the form of an intelligent response. That anecdote, while cute and edgy doesn't fit the situation. Ukebros are accusing name-callers. Got the deep warm feelz for Uke authoritarianism. Yeah, I know. It would be nice if we could have intelligent conversations about serious issues based in facts. But I get it. I have the same inclination towards hamas. But that actually makes sense. ETA: They don't even realize they are deep-throating Obama and Biden geopolitics with a seductive smile while making eye contact. Was it "Obama and Biden geopolitics" when Trump, who was my president sent Ukraine arms ? |
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Posted: 12/5/2023 10:56:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Was it "Obama and Biden geopolitics" when Trump, who was my president sent Ukraine arms ? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Ukraine is in ruins. Many who fled are never coming back and probably a quarter million are dead for no reason. Except maybe Russian restraint, could have been much worse All Z had to do was publicly denounce intentions to join NATO and have NATO weapons Parked in Eastern Ukraine. Adopt a position of neutrality between U.S. and Russia. But that's not why we overthrew the Ukrainian government and installed him. Nor why the vice presidents son was installed into their oil and gas industry. Really sucks for Ukraine and Ukrainians. Take a lesson from American conservatives on the topic of trusting the U.S. government. Now if fighting Russia at all costs really was the will of the people then the effort they put forth is commendable and they have proved to be a formidable force. It's their right to fight and die protecting their homeland. But I hope they knew that it was ultimately hopeless and didn't buy into our governments lies and media propaganda. That they did it in spite of all that. They were doomed without a commited partner on the battlefield. "All Z had to do was publicly denounce intentions to join NATO and have NATO weapons Parked in Eastern Ukraine." If only that skirt wouldn't have been so short I wouldn't have raped her and fucked her in the ass in front of you "Russian restraint" Lol. I was expecting a retort but I was expecting it in the form of an intelligent response. That anecdote, while cute and edgy doesn't fit the situation. Ukebros are accusing name-callers. Got the deep warm feelz for Uke authoritarianism. Yeah, I know. It would be nice if we could have intelligent conversations about serious issues based in facts. But I get it. I have the same inclination towards hamas. But that actually makes sense. ETA: They don't even realize they are deep-throating Obama and Biden geopolitics with a seductive smile while making eye contact. Was it "Obama and Biden geopolitics" when Trump, who was my president sent Ukraine arms ? Come on man, I've read many of your posts over the years. You're better than this. |
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Posted: 12/5/2023 10:57:33 PM EDT
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Missing from the thread are reports about Zelensky taking it to a new level by bypassing traditional chain of command and establishing direct control over the AFU.
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Posted: 12/5/2023 11:02:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ukraine is in ruins. Many who fled are never coming back and probably a quarter million are dead for no reason. Except maybe Russian restraint, could have been much worse All Z had to do was publicly denounce intentions to join NATO and have NATO weapons Parked in Eastern Ukraine. Adopt a position of neutrality between U.S. and Russia. But that's not why we overthrew the Ukrainian government and installed him. Nor why the vice presidents son was installed into their oil and gas industry. Really sucks for Ukraine and Ukrainians. Take a lesson from American conservatives on the topic of trusting the U.S. government. Now if fighting Russia at all costs really was the will of the people then the effort they put forth is commendable and they have proved to be a formidable force. It's their right to fight and die protecting their homeland. But I hope they knew that it was ultimately hopeless and didn't buy into our governments lies and media propaganda. That they did it in spite of all that. They were doomed without a commited partner on the battlefield. So much dumb in one post. Very impressive. Everybody who knows what's going on knows that none of this ever had anything to do with NATO. Zelensky was popularly elected by the Ukrainian people, just like his predecessor Petro Poroshenko. It is true they were doomed without strong external support. The only way to save lives is to maximize military aid to defeat Russia. Force is the only language Putin responds to. |
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Posted: 12/5/2023 11:04:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Was it "Obama and Biden geopolitics" when Trump, who was my president sent Ukraine arms ? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Ukraine is in ruins. Many who fled are never coming back and probably a quarter million are dead for no reason. Except maybe Russian restraint, could have been much worse All Z had to do was publicly denounce intentions to join NATO and have NATO weapons Parked in Eastern Ukraine. Adopt a position of neutrality between U.S. and Russia. But that's not why we overthrew the Ukrainian government and installed him. Nor why the vice presidents son was installed into their oil and gas industry. Really sucks for Ukraine and Ukrainians. Take a lesson from American conservatives on the topic of trusting the U.S. government. Now if fighting Russia at all costs really was the will of the people then the effort they put forth is commendable and they have proved to be a formidable force. It's their right to fight and die protecting their homeland. But I hope they knew that it was ultimately hopeless and didn't buy into our governments lies and media propaganda. That they did it in spite of all that. They were doomed without a commited partner on the battlefield. "All Z had to do was publicly denounce intentions to join NATO and have NATO weapons Parked in Eastern Ukraine." If only that skirt wouldn't have been so short I wouldn't have raped her and fucked her in the ass in front of you "Russian restraint" Lol. I was expecting a retort but I was expecting it in the form of an intelligent response. That anecdote, while cute and edgy doesn't fit the situation. Ukebros are accusing name-callers. Got the deep warm feelz for Uke authoritarianism. Yeah, I know. It would be nice if we could have intelligent conversations about serious issues based in facts. But I get it. I have the same inclination towards hamas. But that actually makes sense. ETA: They don't even realize they are deep-throating Obama and Biden geopolitics with a seductive smile while making eye contact. Was it "Obama and Biden geopolitics" when Trump, who was my president sent Ukraine arms ? Don't pretend naivete now. After all these years of name calling in the threads for those who disagree. (generalized statement of 'Ukebros') |
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Posted: 12/5/2023 11:07:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah, I know. It would be nice if we could have intelligent conversations about serious issues based in facts. But I get it. I have the same inclination towards hamas. But that actually makes sense. ETA: They don't even realize they are deep-throating Obama and Biden geopolitics with a seductive smile while making eye contact. Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah, I know. It would be nice if we could have intelligent conversations about serious issues based in facts. But I get it. I have the same inclination towards hamas. But that actually makes sense. ETA: They don't even realize they are deep-throating Obama and Biden geopolitics with a seductive smile while making eye contact. Quoted: Come on man, I've read many of your posts over the years. You're better than this. You're painting yourself as his intellectual superior yet you began the conversation with this. Quoted: Ukraine is in ruins. Many who fled are never coming back and probably a quarter million are dead for no reason. Except maybe Russian restraint, could have been much worse All Z had to do was publicly denounce intentions to join NATO and have NATO weapons Parked in Eastern Ukraine. Adopt a position of neutrality between U.S. and Russia. But that's not why we overthrew the Ukrainian government and installed him. Nor why the vice presidents son was installed into their oil and gas industry. Really sucks for Ukraine and Ukrainians. Take a lesson from American conservatives on the topic of trusting the U.S. government. Now if fighting Russia at all costs really was the will of the people then the effort they put forth is commendable and they have proved to be a formidable force. It's their right to fight and die protecting their homeland. But I hope they knew that it was ultimately hopeless and didn't buy into our governments lies and media propaganda. That they did it in spite of all that. They were doomed without a commited partner on the battlefield. 
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Posted: 12/5/2023 11:07:12 PM EDT
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Another Ryu thread.
Wasn't long ago he was posting links to his personal youtube account with Russian propaganda calling for Ukrainians to surrender  Ukraine is hardly a "totalitarian state". Fun fact: We actually have people on Arfcom that are currently in Ukraine and moved there. The last time we had people move to Russia they went silent when the drafts started. |
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Posted: 12/5/2023 11:07:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I was expecting a retort but I was expecting it in the form of an intelligent response. That anecdote, while cute and edgy doesn't fit the situation. You can't post complete BS and say you wanted an intelligent response. You want informed discourse? Post actual fact-based content. LOL, NATO. Did you even know Putin told GW Bush that Ukraine isn't a real country? Not NATO, imperialism. If you don't get that, you can't have an intelligent conversation. |
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Posted: 12/5/2023 11:14:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So much dumb in one post. Very impressive. Everybody who knows what's going on knows that none of this ever had anything to do with NATO. Zelensky was popularly elected by the Ukrainian people, just like his predecessor Petro Poroshenko. It is true they were doomed without strong external support. The only way to save lives is to maximize military aid to defeat Russia. Force is the only language Putin responds to. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Ukraine is in ruins. Many who fled are never coming back and probably a quarter million are dead for no reason. Except maybe Russian restraint, could have been much worse All Z had to do was publicly denounce intentions to join NATO and have NATO weapons Parked in Eastern Ukraine. Adopt a position of neutrality between U.S. and Russia. But that's not why we overthrew the Ukrainian government and installed him. Nor why the vice presidents son was installed into their oil and gas industry. Really sucks for Ukraine and Ukrainians. Take a lesson from American conservatives on the topic of trusting the U.S. government. Now if fighting Russia at all costs really was the will of the people then the effort they put forth is commendable and they have proved to be a formidable force. It's their right to fight and die protecting their homeland. But I hope they knew that it was ultimately hopeless and didn't buy into our governments lies and media propaganda. That they did it in spite of all that. They were doomed without a commited partner on the battlefield. So much dumb in one post. Very impressive. Everybody who knows what's going on knows that none of this ever had anything to do with NATO. Zelensky was popularly elected by the Ukrainian people, just like his predecessor Petro Poroshenko. It is true they were doomed without strong external support. The only way to save lives is to maximize military aid to defeat Russia. Force is the only language Putin responds to. Awwww! You sound just like the peaceful Palestinian protesters that insist Hamas was "elected" and OCT 7th was a military operation with a legitimate military objective. Since you speak for everyone, are you actually anyone important? |
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