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Posted: 3/13/2024 4:55:11 PM EDT
Who are the top recommendations for having a 1911 cut for a direct mount optic?
Also, I saw this on C&H's site, "Any 2011/1911/STI series 80 slide that has a safety plunger/firing pin block CANNOT be milled for any optic or adapter plate due to the cut going into the safety plunger/firing pin block cavity." Would a Dan Wesson or Bul Armory fall into this category? |
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If you want direct mount it will have to be one of the smaller sites such as Trijicon RMRcc or the Holosun 407K/507K. Each one has their respective cut. 407K/507K I believe also covers the Holosun EPS Carry optic.
As far as reputable people. I like Dave over at DSC Gunworks. He has a quick turnaround and does great work. |
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May be good or bad - I don’t have experience with it but I keep eyeballing the Nighthawk IOS. Not sure if they will do it for a non nighthawk gun though.
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I tried a RMS-c cut on a Tisas 1911 duty in 9mm. I have been pleased so far. I used the Holosun 407k which has a rudimentary rear sight on the back deck. It is beginning to become more main stream so expect to see more of it. The Tisas DS guns now have integral cuts.
Direct milled RMS-c/Holosun K cut. Green Tick Tactical with a Cerakote refinish. The Holosun EPS is a little bigger window but hangs over a tad more. Tisas DS 1911 cut. Here is a post when I was considering it: 1911 red dot query |
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Green Tick Tactical is who I went with, very happy with their work.
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Vulcan direct milled for my rmrcc
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Do y'all know if Green Tick or Vulcan offers an option for a rear suit behind the optic?
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Originally Posted By dogtired: I tried a RMS-c cut on a Tisas 1911 duty in 9mm. I have been pleased so far. I used the Holosun 407k which has a rudimentary rear sight on the back deck. It is beginning to become more main stream so expect to see more of it. The Tisas DS guns now have integral cuts. Direct milled RMS-c/Holosun K cut. Green Tick Tactical with a Cerakote refinish. https://i.postimg.cc/zfS1TLL1/IMG_9149.jpg The Holosun EPS is a little bigger window but hangs over a tad more. Tisas DS 1911 cut. https://i.postimg.cc/SRkWFZXk/IMG_0081.jpg Here is a post when I was considering it: 1911 red dot query View Quote |
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Originally Posted By Mustang17: Who are the top recommendations for having a 1911 cut for a direct mount optic? Also, I saw this on C&H's site, "Any 2011/1911/STI series 80 slide that has a safety plunger/firing pin block CANNOT be milled for any optic or adapter plate due to the cut going into the safety plunger/firing pin block cavity." . . . View Quote I've got a series 80 Colt slide that I'm pondering getting cut for a RMR, and subsequently found this: https://zrtacticalsolutions.com/shop/firearm-services/gunsmithing/1911-rmr-cut NOTE: Some series 80 models will need to have the firing pin safety shortened. This also applies to Kimber Schwartz Safety View Quote Does anyone have experience with, and care to share your feedback regarding ZR tactical? |
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[Last Edit: lilMAC25]
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Top recommendation? Nighthawk IOS. Bring your friggen wallet.
But, you’ll get to keep a plate with your original irons as well as your optic plate. |
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Just because you're not paranoid, doesn't mean they're not out to get you
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Originally Posted By lilMAC25: Top recommendation? Nighthawk IOS. Bring your friggen wallet. But, you’ll get to keep a plate with your original irons as well as your optic plate. View Quote IOS is great, but expensive and their wait times are ridiculous. Chambers cut is awesome, relatively cheap and quick depending on the smith. |
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[Last Edit: lilMAC25]
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Originally Posted By Glck1911: IOS is great, but expensive and their wait times are ridiculous. Chambers cut is awesome, relatively cheap and quick depending on the smith. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Glck1911: Originally Posted By lilMAC25: Top recommendation? Nighthawk IOS. Bring your friggen wallet. But, you’ll get to keep a plate with your original irons as well as your optic plate. IOS is great, but expensive and their wait times are ridiculous. Chambers cut is awesome, relatively cheap and quick depending on the smith. Agreed. I’m leaning toward DPO for my DWX. I don’t want to be locked into 1 footprint forever. I just reached out to Chambers. If his company will do it at the listed price, that’s what better than what I’ve seen elsewhere. ETA: with the plate it’s roughly the same price as DSC. ETA2: Chambers cut will not work on firearms with external extractors. DWX has external extractor. Attached File 😢 |
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[Last Edit: dogtired]
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Very cool! Looking at a Stingray in the future, 9mm rocks in a 1911!
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FJS and FJB!
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[Last Edit: GunnyG]
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Originally Posted By dogtired: I think the 1911 slide rear sight cuts are difficult because of the many rear sight cut options available already. Bomar, NoVak, GI etc all are cut in different spots. Here is an interesting addition from SDS/Tisas. https://i.postimg.cc/LXqhGpxL/IMG-0175.jpg View Quote Ed Brown has a SS 1911 slide precut for Trijicon's RMR or SRO mount, available too: https://www.brownells.com/gun-parts/handgun-parts/handgun-slides-parts/1911-government-slide-45acp-ss-with-rmr-cut/?sku=087000108 https://www.trijicon.com/products/details/ca428-c-600757 |
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“A vote is like a rifle; its usefulness depends upon the character of the user.”
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...Amongst the 1911 poors...
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[Last Edit: Millennial]
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IOS is the best... and judging by the price, NHC knows it. The nice thing about it is it's using a dovetail lockup. AND it's low enough to use the original front irons for natural pointing. And if you ever change optics, NHC has different plate for different footprints.
Everyone using screws is getting shit screw engagement on the right side due to the extractor tunnel... screws with with like ~2 precarious threads engaging. If you're going to go that route, I like chambers plate that has 4 screws and it too sits low enough for standard front sight hieghts. |
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Originally Posted By GunnyG: Ed Brown has a SS 1911 slide precut for Trijicon's RMR or SRO mount, available too: https://www.brownells.com/gun-parts/handgun-parts/handgun-slides-parts/1911-government-slide-45acp-ss-with-rmr-cut/?sku=087000108 https://www.trijicon.com/products/details/ca428-c-600757 View Quote TR-Enabling has TONS of optic cut slides in every length and every caliber |
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Originally Posted By combatpanda: May be good or bad - I don’t have experience with it but I keep eyeballing the Nighthawk IOS. Not sure if they will do it for a non nighthawk gun though. View Quote They will. If Wilson ever finishes my f'ing gun I ordered and put a down payment on (~15 months ago) I'm sending it straight to NHC for IOS and porting. 15 months... and I was told "usually 6-8 months". And comms about the delay have been shit. Last Wilson I ever buy/order. |
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I've used Green Tick Tactical and CHPWS. I'd gladly send another slide to Green Tick. CHPWS will never see another dollar from me. The quality of the cut was fine, turnaround time was over a year and they blamed it on me.
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Has anyone used Stonebridge Gun Works?
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Green Tick Tactical lost my optic, said they would send me a new one, and never did.
They also sent me back someone else's rear sight in addition to my own. |
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If you’re thinking about a new gun or a new build and don’t want to get your slide direct-milled, I would strongly encourage you to look into the Accuracy X Multi-Sight / Slot Sight system, as it looks like the best engineered system for an actually functional modular sight system.
It may be over-engineered for someone who is only looking for an optics cut / plate until they decide what red dot to use, but if you’re looking for the capability to reconfigure your sights as needed and switch between optics and irons, it appears to be the only one that really allows you to do so without significant compromises, especially when it comes to having “normal” height iron sights when not using an optic and being able to adjust your cowitnessed irons. Beyond that, if you’re looking for longevity and overall future-proofing / long-term availability of parts and accessories (including optics adapter plates), if the “Glock Optic Cut” wars of a few years back, I would recommend looking at / going with either the Staccato/DPO cut or Springfield/Agency AOS (Prodigy cut). This is not a statement about functional superiority necessarily, but really production volumes and established standards more than anything—once Glock released the MOS, despite various issues and complaints with the interface, it has basically wiped out almost all other options, try finding a Unity ATOM plate these days for a modern optic, even if you can get someone to cut your slide. The Nighthawk IOS looks like a great system, however as a much smaller semi-custom shop that’s not cranking out nearly as many optic-cut guns as either Staccato (already more or less the “established standard” for 2011-style guns) or Springfield Armory, which could affect future prospects for sustained support. I realize that the Accuracy X system I recommended previously is also in a similar position, if not more so, being an even smaller name / manufacturer / gunsmith shop, but I do think it’s the best one out there I’ve seen from a modularity standpoint. Moreover, I realize that the custom / semi-custom 1911/2011 market is not the same as the Glock market, so there will probably always be a few more options / variations on the market simply due to particular smiths / shops creating and preferring and even designing their own systems, however it’s worth considering that the pool of good gunsmiths continues to both age and dwindle, with many great shops and smiths having either closed their books or even their shops entirely in the last decade, and they are not being replaced by younger smiths at nearly the same rate as times in the past, the pistols may have lasted 113 years, but the smiths do not. And as those numbers get smaller, more and more emphasis will be placed on production-style and light semi-customs and what is available within those envelopes. ~Augee |
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“‘It ain’t dying I’m talking about, it’s living,’ Augustus McCrae
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Originally Posted By glazer1972: K cut running an EPS/EPS Carry. My Tisas Duty 5” DS w/ an EPS Carry. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/5273/IMG_4663-3150128.jpg View Quote How is the optic fit? I have heard these are not machined with the proper angle. Any issues with zeroing? |
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I didn’t have any trouble zeroing. The provided screws were to long. I had to file them. The optic was very tight in the slot. It’ll have some buggered spots when/if I take it off.
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“‘It ain’t dying I’m talking about, it’s living,’ Augustus McCrae
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...Amongst the 1911 poors...
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Not to hijack, but has anyone needed to use an optic shim plate on their tisas ds1911’s?
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Originally Posted By glazer1972: K cut running an EPS/EPS Carry. My Tisas Duty 5” DS w/ an EPS Carry. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/5273/IMG_4663-3150128.jpg View Quote @glazer1972 Where did you get this done? |
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Originally Posted By m4nut: Tisas 1911BR9 carry, vortex defender ccw. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/20054/IMG_20240321_153258791_2_jpg-3174920.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/20054/IMG_20240321_152827469_jpg-3174925.JPG View Quote Did this come optics ready or did you get it cut? |
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The double stacks come with a factory optic cut. That is a 1911 Carry DS.
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[Last Edit: m4nut]
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Originally Posted By Joshuasaur: Did this come optics ready or did you get it cut? View Quote The DS guns come cut for RMRcc, or RMSc. Optic dropped right on. The Tisas came with sights tall enough to immediately co-witness. Attached File |
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“‘It ain’t dying I’m talking about, it’s living,’ Augustus McCrae
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