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Posted: 12/29/2022 5:18:05 PM EDT

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Dagger^TM Pistol Models Explained

With SHOT Show less than three weeks away, I thought I'd take this opportunity to explain the existing Dagger^TM pistol models.

There are currently four Dagger^TM pistol models,
Compact (G19)
Compact X (G19L)
Full Size - S (G19X/G45)
Full Size - SX (G47)
We expect the Micro Dagger^TM (G43X) MRDS-cut slide assembly and 15-round polymer G43X/G48 magazine to drop around SHOT Show with the Micro Dagger^TM frame to follow. The .22 LR Dagger^TM was unofficially announced in January 2022 with an approximate timeframe of October. Hopefully, the .22 LR Dagger^TM will make it's offical debut at SHOT Show next month.

Dagger^TM Compact vs Compact X Slide Assembly

The differences between the Dagger^TM Compact and Compact X slide assemblies are,

Compact X Slide is 0.5" longer (G17-length) than Compact Slide
Compact X Slide has Integrated Dust Cover ¹
Compact X Barrel is 0.5" longer (G17-length) than Compact Barrel ²
(Internal Parts and Recoil Spring Assembly are Identical)

¹ - The Dagger^TM Compact X slide assembly is not compatible with an OEM Glock or aftermarket G17 frame. As the name implies, the Dagger^TM Compact X slide assembly is intended for compact frames such as a G19 gen3 frame (e.g., Dagger^TM Compact frame) and gen3-based G19X/G45/G47 frame (e.g., Dagger^TM Full Size - S frame). The Dagger^TM Compact and Compact X slide assemblies are also compatible with gen4-5 compact frames with minor considerations.
² - In order for a G17 barrel to be compatible with a compact gen3 frame (e.g., Dagger^TM Compact and Full Size - S frames), the barrel must have a G19 gen1-5 barrel "lug". With respect to an OEM Glock G17 barrel, this lug was first introduced with gen5. Aftermarket G19L barrels (e.g., Brownells 19LS barrel) may be compatible with the Dagger^TM Compact X slide and Dagger^TM Compact and Full Size - S frames.

Dagger^TM Compact vs Full Size - S Frame

The differences between the Dagger^TM Compact and Full Size - S frames are,

Full Size - S Frame is 0.5" higher (G17-height) than Compact Frame
(Internal Parts are Identical)

Note: The Dagger^TM Full Size - S frame can be considered a gen3-based G19X/G45 frame "clone". Per OEM Glock nomenclature, the G19X/G45 is a compact pistol, specifically a compact crossover, not a full (or standard) size pistol.

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Glock vs PSA Nomenclature

We have created two charts which organize all of the Glock 9mm pistol models and PSA Dagger^TM 9mm pistol models based on the different frame sizes using the Glock nomenclature.

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Note: The G19X frame is slightly different than the G45 frame. We assume the G45 and G47 share the same frame. For these reasons, we split "COMPACT CROSSOVER" into two columns, one for the G19X frame and one for the G45/G47 frame.

The following chart further illustrates that all four Dagger^TM models involve compact frames (despite PSA's use of the term "Full Size - S").

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Switchback_Arms Member Joined Apr 2008 Posts 3300 EE 100% (22) USA	Posted: 12/29/2022 5:28:26 PM EDT [#1] Thanks!

general_cluster Joined May 2019 Posts 890 EE 0% (0) USA	Posted: 12/29/2022 5:36:18 PM EDT [#2] I enjoy the numerous references to Dagger being trademarked but none to glock being trademarked. In all seriousness, my dagger (tm) has been great, i love it. If i got commission off recommending it, that would probably buy another.

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Posted: 12/29/2022 5:47:21 PM EDT

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Originally Posted By general_cluster: I enjoy the numerous references to Dagger being trademarked but none to glock being trademarked.

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Originally Posted By general_cluster: I enjoy the numerous references to Dagger being trademarked but none to glock being trademarked.

It's kind of my trademark. It's a lot of work.

In all seriousness, my dagger (tm) has been great, i love it. If i got commission off recommending it, that would probably buy another.

I'm not affiliated with Palmetto State Armory or any other company under the JJE Capital Holdings, LLC umbrella. I don't profit from the sale of the Dagger^TM or Dagger^TM-related products (or any product for that matter) in any way, shape, or form. I'm just trying to help people.

You can find more information regarding the entire Dagger^TM line of products here,

Palmetto State Armory Dagger^TM

BGENE Member Joined Dec 2008 Posts 26559 EE 100% (1) USA	Posted: 12/29/2022 6:08:38 PM EDT [#4] Thank you, greatly appreciated.

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Posted: 12/29/2022 9:49:54 PM EDT

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Originally Posted By wickedbeernut:
It's kind of my trademark. It's a lot of work.

I'm not affiliated with Palmetto State Armory or any other company under the JJE Capital Holdings, LLC umbrella. I don't profit from the sale of the Dagger^TM or Dagger^TM-related products (or any product for that matter) in any way, shape, or form. I'm just trying to help people.

You can find more information regarding the entire Dagger^TM line of products here,

Palmetto State Armory Dagger^TM

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Originally Posted By wickedbeernut:

Originally Posted By general_cluster: I enjoy the numerous references to Dagger being trademarked but none to glock being trademarked.

It's kind of my trademark. It's a lot of work.

In all seriousness, my dagger (tm) has been great, i love it. If i got commission off recommending it, that would probably buy another.

I'm not affiliated with Palmetto State Armory or any other company under the JJE Capital Holdings, LLC umbrella. I don't profit from the sale of the Dagger^TM or Dagger^TM-related products (or any product for that matter) in any way, shape, or form. I'm just trying to help people.

You can find more information regarding the entire Dagger^TM line of products here,

Palmetto State Armory Dagger^TM

Nice, thanks for putting this together.

gqllc Member Joined Sep 2004 Posts 4009 EE 100% (4) NY, USA	Posted: 12/29/2022 9:52:58 PM EDT [#6] Can you interchange 3rd Gen G19 slide assemblies with Dagger compact slide assemblies including barrels?

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Posted: 12/29/2022 10:23:02 PM EDT

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Originally Posted By gqllc: Can you interchange 3rd Gen G19 slide assemblies with Dagger compact slide assemblies including barrels?

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Yes. A Dagger^TM Compact slide assembly (including barrel and recoil spring assembly) is a G19 gen3 slide assembly.

The exception is the Dagger^TM Compact X slide assembly which involves a G17 gen5 barrel.

SnaitN Joined Mar 2007 Posts 1395 EE 100% (20) PA, USA	Posted: 2/2/2023 10:10:00 PM EDT [#8] This was VERY helpful to me, thank you. I'm looking to try an optic with the least output of cashflow, I think I'm going to top my current 19 with a new Dagger Compact top.

iGottaDropADuce Member Joined Apr 2018 Posts 1022 EE 100% (13) USA	Posted: 2/21/2023 9:32:19 AM EDT [#9] So if I want a threaded barrel for my Full Size - SX, I have to get a G17.5 barrel? Are they all compatible or is it hit or miss?

drfroglegs Watch this... Joined Dec 2012 Posts 13744 EE 100% (48) NC, USA	Posted: 2/21/2023 9:38:34 AM EDT [#10] So the Dagger X slide will not work with my P80 G17 frames? Bummer. Do you have any plans on making G17 slides that work with P80 or OEM G17 slides? There's a ton of people who want them.
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MV0923 Joined Jan 2024 Posts 1 EE 0% (0) FL, USA	Posted: 1/18/2024 12:31:22 AM EDT [#11] SammiTactical has a few on ebay and they say they are coming out with some more PSA Compact Dagger Flared lengthened Magwell 17+ Round Mag Compatible! \| eBay

durtychemist Joined Jun 2012 Posts 2435 EE 100% (9) NV, USA	Posted: 1/22/2024 8:22:04 AM EDT [#12] This thread should live at the rop of this sub-forum.

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Originally Posted By durtychemist: This thread should live at the rop of this sub-forum.

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I've handed off that chart to Matt Benoit at Palmetto State Armory. He has a version of the chart for the Micro Dagger. At some point, I'm sure he'll update the chart with the Dagger Full Size - L (G17 gen3), 10mm, 45 and .22 LR "concept guns" that were announced this morning, assuming they ever come to fruition.

wickedbeernut Joined Apr 2013 Posts 1808 EE 0% (0) NM, USA	Posted: 1/22/2024 5:58:30 PM EDT [#14] Here's Matt's Micro Dagger chart ...

9mmstephen Member Joined Oct 2011 Posts 2518 EE 100% (71) ID, USA	Posted: 1/23/2024 9:48:22 AM EDT [Last Edit: 9mmstephen] [#15] Is the Full Size Dagger L going to be based on the Glock 17 Frame or Glock 19 Frame? (Will G17 frames fit?).

DavidY Member Joined Sep 2021 Posts 2559 EE 100% (33) TX, USA	Posted: 1/23/2024 11:49:46 AM EDT [#16] Quote History Originally Posted By 9mmstephen: Is the Full Size Dagger L going to be based on the Glock 17 Frame or Glock 19 Frame? (Will G17 frames fit?). View Quote It's supposed to be the G17 equivalent. The SX is the current G47 equivalent. X slide = G17 length slide (like G49) S frame = G17 length frame (like G45)

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Posted: 1/23/2024 12:30:48 PM EDT

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Originally Posted By DavidY:

It's supposed to be the G17 equivalent.

The SX is the current G47 equivalent.

X slide = G17 length slide (like G49)
S frame = G17 length frame (like G45)

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Yea but you can see in the prototype pics that the locking block location is the same as the compact, which means it would use G17 gen 5 barrels, etc but not earlier gens. It is just the prototype though so who knows once it's done.

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Posted: 1/23/2024 1:33:52 PM EDT

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Originally Posted By D_Man:
Yea but you can see in the prototype pics that the locking block location is the same as the compact, which means it would use G17 gen 5 barrels, etc but not earlier gens. It is just the prototype though so who knows once it's done.

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I haven't looked at any photos or watched any of the videos they put out. I just know that in the past they said something about a Gen 3 G17 copy.

I suppose they could take the S frame and just lengthen the dust cover but that really sounds like a waste of time. The current S frame would take a Gen 5 G17 barrel already and mate with the X slide.

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Posted: 1/23/2024 1:46:25 PM EDT

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Originally Posted By DavidY:

I haven't looked at any photos or watched any of the videos they put out. I just know that in the past they said something about a Gen 3 G17 copy.

I suppose they could take the S frame and just lengthen the dust cover but that really sounds like a waste of time. The current S frame would take a Gen 5 G17 barrel already and mate with the X slide.

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Agreed, which has me scratching my head as well. Hell, the prototype they show even looks like it has their X slide, you can see the extra length to the "nose" peeking through.

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