You're far above my paygrade on that stuff, short of fitting triggers and tweaking sear springs, I haven't done *any* work on these.

Do you get a different feel on properly done triggers once they get dirty?  It makes sense that lubrication would help them feel better, but frankly it could just be hiding the creep.

Regarding test targets, thats odd.  I think all the ones I've had basically were touching, but I think they only test them at 10 or 15 to make sure there isnt a huge windage or elevation variance; I also don't know how they shoot their test targets, I doubt they're using a ransom rest.  I'll pull them out in a little bit and see, but I've never been concerned about what a test target showed.

Speer gold dot 124, which is what we use, has proven to be a laser out of these things, but we zero from a very sturdy rest when sighting in red dots.  I haven't tried or bothered with irons.

Yeah they weren't terrible but it was probably 1" at distance.  Of the pistols I've had that came with test targets, wilson, gi, and nhc, they were all pretty tight cloverleaf.  They are 3 -5 shots and fired by human off sandbags, but I wonder if they just shoot 1 test target or shoot until they have a hum dinger?  I've only worked I've 1 prodigy and internal parts on ot aren't as refined or all forged like a staccato.  I did cut a marvel disco cut on the prodigy and it made it smooth as butter.  It's unbelievable how smooth a 1911 feels with the disco cut.

Basically yes, the secondary angle decreases the amount of surface area that the sear contacts hammer hooks.  It gives the trigger an icicle break vs raw carrot break.  It's pretty subjective and it does not make a poor shooter great, but it optimizes 1911 trigger without adding any compromises or reliability issues.

The trigger on my 21 P is stock and breaks cleanly at 4.5 lbs. From 0 to 5200 rounds, it has been a good trigger. Take up is .040".

I have done a Harrison TR sear, Red Dirt trigger, and sear spring tweak on my 19 P. It has a very crisp, clean 3.75 lb break. Take up is .040" and very smooth. The take up and overtravel are very easy to adjust on the Red Dirt trigger.

As for test targets...

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I've owned 5 C2's and they were good guns, but I'm a steel frame guy.

Yeah, I'd been happy with those targets.

If you want Wilson quality, BUY A WILSON SFX9.

They are great pistols. A lot of the Staccatos are the same price or more than I paid for this last year. Especially if you consider that the Wilson mags are $40



If I were buying one today, I would buy the SFT. When I ordered mine, the SFT was not available with a light rail.

I had a P and C2 and while they shot awesome they just did not feel comfortable in my hands.  They felt too big and bulky.  I sold them both and bought a Wilson Combat SFT9.  Fits my hands much better.  It's my carry gun these days.  Mine is the basic model with no optic mount and no light rail.  I'm fixing to order me one with the rail and optic mount.

I’m not sure of all their models, I’m just saying, if you want Wilson Quality, buy a Wilson!

Welcome to world of being unimpressed by guns that are touted on this forum.  I’ve made that mistake multiple times

This. Thats exactly what Staccato is and they’ve done a great job at it.

You must not be alone, OP…it seems like every time I look on the EE, there is another barely used Staccato listed.

Or Walther...

I’ve shot Staccatos and much prefer my Platypus.
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Keep an eye on those Wilson frame rails.

Cracked frame rail

I want a 4.25 steel framed platypus...

Has anyone done a C2 with a P grip?
That would be my ideal Staccato.  If they made that, I might keep one.

They offer a grip swap service so perhaps they would put a P grip on a special order C2.

I've never shot a stock one. Buddy has a few tuned up and they are really nice race guns.

Be an interesting back story I bet on that, but 1 isolated pic on the web doesn't sway me.  I've also saw pictures of busted staccatos online that are 1 off deals.

And make sure you get the right extractor

The rental I tried was fantastic. I’m an ok shooter and it makes me look great. 25 yards, rapid fire. First time I pulled the trigger and I went through the mag as fast as I had a good sight picture. Open sights.

I can shoot tighter groups if I slow down or use a dot but I was pretending like my life depended on it. Really want one.

I had a Staccato XL. I put 7,000 rds through it in 6 months. The gun was beating itself up. The hammer was wiggling and the safety was constantly coming loose.
I traded it in and got an Atlas Athena. I put another 7,000 rds through it in 6 months. The gun looked and felt brand new. As far as reliability I had no issues with either the staccato or the atlas. The staccato with the Gen 2 grip model was not my favorite and I was disappointed with how fast the gun started loosening up.

I ended up selling it because of how expensive it was. My LE department is switching to Sig 320's and I have to carry one per policy (M17X). Our M17X's are black.
I bought an FDE M17X and have put 2,000 rds through it in 2 months. My split times from my 2011's to my Sig are very similar.

Shooting a Staccato P side by side a Wilson EDC X9 --- the Wilson out shoots Staccato all day everyday not even close. My shooting buddy runs an EDCX9L and has over 10k rds in it in the last year.
If you shoot and train often with purpose, any platform will be good.

I shot and carried glocks for over 10 years. I work part time on my off days at a gun store and we are direct dealers with Staccato, Wilson, Atlas, Nighthawk, etc etc. I get to see these guns come in all the time and demo them.
I have recently tried out a friends platapus. I will say, like someone mentioned above, the Stealth Arms Platapus is by far the absolute best pistol on the market for the money. The owner of Stealth Arms came into our shop and he is a super awesome dude. If I were still shooting glocks and into the glock eco system I would no doubt be picking up a platapus and running that and being satisfied.

yea this is an isolated incident. The EDC X9 series is a phenomenal platform. The mags are very reliable and cheaper. Knowing mulitiple WC shooters, they make a great firearm. I've seen glocks, staccatos, sigs 320, 226's, M9's, Nighthawks, etc all break.

EDIT forgot to add, the biggest let down with WC is their lead times. They just came out with a EDC X9 2.0 which is very underwhelming as they call it a 2.0 but only changed the grip module a little bit. Their lead times for us to order as a top 10 dealer is still like 12 months out.

I actually think the 2.0 grip is a downgrade. Now the grip is just going to be square.

I've owned several Staccatos (C2's and P's) and I've not had an issue with any of them beating themselves up after thousands of rounds. My most recent purchase is a 4.4 P that I've shot 5200 rounds through since the end of January. It's still as good as the day I bought it new. Tight and accurate with a good trigger.

I've owned a WC EDC X9. It was a nice gun, but I never got used to that tiny grip and the glued and screwed front sight was a put off.  I still own my Staccatos.

Yea same. The interchangeable modules they had on the 1.0 were pretty good. Medium fit my hand perfectly and the large fits my friend who owns the gun great.

Gotta get the right extractor for any 1911.  70s vs 80s, 9 vs 45 vs 10mm

You mean the front sight that is affixed like a glock, I don't see that as a minus.