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Posted: 1/19/2006 10:41:20 PM EDT
[#1]
Im in!!!! Saturday works best but I could squeeze in a Sunday shoot.
I shoot 168s out of my Savage 10fp, pushing them at 2749 fps. I had less drop at 1k than the 175 guys did. Chrono your load and see what your getting, you may be suprised. I might even try to bring the 6.8 AR out 
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Posted: 1/20/2006 2:23:55 AM EDT
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April 22 will be my 27th birthday......................
I would like to go but none of my toys will shoot that far. I dont feel like spending more money on long range toys yet, I'll wait til i'm older for that. you guys have fun there, I will be drunk as hell. |
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Posted: 1/20/2006 6:36:23 AM EDT
[#3]
I'll plan on being there too. Either day works for me.
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Posted: 1/22/2006 9:24:33 AM EDT
[#4]
e-mail out...I'm in!
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Posted: 1/22/2006 4:05:22 PM EDT
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If you don't have your dope, events like this are a great forum for you. Starting at the 200 yard line, if you get your zero, you will know, depending on caliber that your about 1.5 moa up from your 100 yard zero. The way the days events are planned you will be walked back to get your dope for each yard line. Don't worry, there will be plenty of people on hand to let you know what your dope should be. It won't be exact, and if someone tells you it will be find someone else for your dope. Our target frames are 6 foot square, so if your off 2 or 3 minutes it won't matter. If you ever wanted to get some serious dope and not waist time and money this is your event. NOTHING BEATS PIT SERVICE. Have full, hope to see you guys soon
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Posted: 1/22/2006 5:10:16 PM EDT
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I've shot High Power at 600 yards with service rifle and iron sights at that range does not worry me but I've stood at the 1K line and even with a scope, that's a long shot!
I'm thinking if I can get the right angle on my Beowulf, I should do pretty good  You probably would not want to stand in the pits if I'm shooting the .50 Beo. the angle would be so high that you'd be in serious jepardy standing 3' behind the target  (unless I can get 3200 ft/sec out of that cartridge)
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Posted: 1/23/2006 11:29:44 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/23/2006 6:19:54 PM EDT
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You have a damn fine rig for service rifle out to 600 yds. You would be surprised at what can be done with plain old 55gn FMJ (Q131A or equiv) out to 500. But for this shoot I suggest you stock up on some Black Hills 69gn and/or 77gn. remanufactured. That ammo is just damn tough to beat. I'll try to find some more links for instruction on how to use a loop sling and the fundamentals of a solid prone position. You should also check out the competition forum. www.txmarks.org/cdfiles/Individual%20Weapons/MC%20Marksmanship.pdf#search='USMC%20fundamentals%20of%20marksmanship' |
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Posted: 1/25/2006 12:52:02 PM EDT
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If you need a tac rifle on the cheap, your so in luck!!!
www.snipercentral.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=46960#46960 |
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Posted: 1/29/2006 1:43:32 PM EDT
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Got my loads tested today and ready to go.
175 SMK, FGM primers. 44.5 grns of Varget: Vel: 2653-2695 fps. Should be good for 1k. And no pressure so I might bump to 45.0(Hogdon's max) or 45.5. Lets rock!!! |
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Posted: 1/29/2006 6:42:12 PM EDT
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Funny how many of us use that exact same recipe. I know that is what shoots the best in mine at 100. Not sure at 1000. Have talked to several that use 45.0 as well, have "heard" of beyond just a bit more.... even as much as 46, but I would work that up REALLY slowly and look for sticky bolt handle and brass marking. My 700 PSS likes 44.5 just fine, but at 45.0 I could just begin to feel the bolt handle stick a bit.... and it was less accurate. Tho - if you are getting a 40fps spread.... that seems like a lot to me. |
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Posted: 1/29/2006 9:55:31 PM EDT
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What would be an advised minimum round count for those of us who can't afford much ammo?
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Posted: 1/30/2006 3:54:28 AM EDT
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This is not a match, just a good practice day at longrange, you shoot enough at each distance to verify your comeups. I will be rationing my black hills myself. I am not used to buying factory match ammo, and i see a set of .308 dies in my near future.  I shot my 700 VSF yesterday, just to get a good 50 yd. zero, so i can go to Gibsons and zero both bolt guns at 100. It's not my 1st. 308, but my heaviest , so far..........i like it! After that i am setting on my ammo til April. See everybody there.Should be great fun. 
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Posted: 1/30/2006 4:46:28 AM EDT
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There is no minimum. And you dont have to shoot at every distance if you dont want to. Some people just want to confirm their dope... others want to prcatice shooting a lot. I imagine unless you have your dope locked in pretty good, you should expect 5 rounds per distance, 7 "stages" so that would be 35 rounds, or two boxes. I plan on shooting 100 rounds or so.... and pring my .223 for the shorter distances.... so it just depends on the shooter. But I would say if you can afford 2 boxes of ammo, you can come and have a great time. Bring a cheaper rifle to shoot at short distances and save your good stuff for the longer ranges. |
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Posted: 1/30/2006 10:20:06 PM EDT
[#15]
Thanks for the info. I just bought a single stage press, so 100 rounds of .223 shouldn't break the bank.
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Posted: 1/30/2006 11:16:38 PM EDT
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I'm in! I have the time and the money for this one.
All I have as a long distance rifle is my Bushy Varminter w/a Bushnell 10X40. What's the farthest I can expect to shoot? What ammo would you guys suggest for the longer distances, have to be able to buy it locally. Thanx |
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Posted: 1/31/2006 3:37:58 AM EDT
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I have been shooting to 600 yds. with my AR, try to find some 69 gr. Matchkings[blk. hills]
I shot 52's also, they were good at 200 and 300 yds. Tried 55 gr. in Dec. they were all over the target at 600. All else fails, get some 60 gr. ball. tips maybe.See ya there, Wayne
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Posted: 1/31/2006 8:13:21 AM EDT
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Personally, I wouldnt push a .223 past 600yds, unless I had a lot of experience with my loads and rifle capabilities. Without question, the best 600yd ammo is going to be Black Hills Blue box 77gr SMK ammo. Sportman's Warehouse *might* carry it.... I know they carry some BH ammo. Cabelas might also have it. If you cant get the 77, then 68-69 will do. However - your varminter is 1/9 twist, so you cannot shoot the 77gr stuff - so I guess for you - I would look for BH blue 68 or 69. |
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Posted: 1/31/2006 9:25:04 AM EDT
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bigthicket
Well that gives me a good idea what to look for. I guess if all else fails I'll get some 62gr Mil ammo. FALARAK I'll start looking for it now. I know CTD stocks some of their ammo but not sure what gr. |
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Posted: 2/2/2006 11:34:43 AM EDT
[#20]
Can the mods tack this?
Please.... 
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Posted: 2/2/2006 12:31:35 PM EDT
[#21]
Sunday.....So that means I'm going, right? I'm ready for 1K for sure now. Just doped for everything up to 1K, except 600, 700, 800....but it shouldn't a problem now. |
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Posted: 2/2/2006 12:48:30 PM EDT
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Just make sure you get some Chrono data and plug it into a ballistic calc. Should be close. Then there is the wind...
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Posted: 2/2/2006 12:57:40 PM EDT
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Yep...Chrono for 44.5, 44.3, and BH factory 175 HPBT...Both handloads are hotter than factory. 44.5 grains: average: 2789 fps 44.3 grains: " : 2765 " BH " : 2698 " Out of REM 700, 26 " Krieger barrel... |
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Posted: 2/2/2006 8:46:28 PM EDT
[#24]
Thats out standing!!!
Who install that barrel for you? |
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Posted: 2/3/2006 6:18:19 AM EDT
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Mike Lau at Texas Brigade Armory texasbrigadearmory.com. Here's the rifle:  Very accurate rifle for a LR newbie like me. |
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Posted: 2/3/2006 6:29:54 AM EDT
[#26]
Very nice, How does the can attach?
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Posted: 2/3/2006 6:38:56 AM EDT
[#27]
Thanks. Threaded barrel. The can is SWR Omega 30. Very quiet. You're welcome to try at TV in April. |
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Posted: 2/3/2006 1:50:52 PM EDT
[#28]
Sounds good. I am looking for a can for mine as well. But I am looking for a quick disconnect vs threads. |
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Posted: 2/4/2006 1:09:10 AM EDT
[#29]
Count me in....
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Posted: 2/4/2006 11:11:11 AM EDT
[#30]
We should talk about this.... plenty of time to discuss. You are correct - by picking less distances, we wont be rushed and will have a lot more shooting time per range distance. Swapping positions does take a decent amount of time, but we can get good at it if was stay organized - there will always be a pit leader/nazi selected to keep it quick. With more time at each distance - you can shoot several different rifles, and also spend more time helping those who are having trouble getting locked in. On the other hand - some people want to get good solid dope at each range with their rifle and ammo combination.... and would rather only lock down their elevation, firing a few shots at each distance. I will leave this up to you guys. Without question, we WILL be starting the day at the 200yd line. That will go without saying. After that.... we have the 300, 500, 600, 800, 900, and 1000 to choose from. Not everyone coming will have equipment that will let them shoot past 600yds... so I am inclined to hit the 300, 500, and 600 for sure... especially for anyone who doesnt already have solid locked dope, or shooting iron sights. That leaves us with 8,9, and 1k. We are going to shoot at 1k for sure. Would you be inclined to cut out 800 or 900, or both? Or do you have any other ideas? |
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Posted: 2/4/2006 11:40:20 AM EDT
[#31]
How about we just do 300, 600 and 1000? MOA changes from each are very predictable. |
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Posted: 2/4/2006 11:48:55 AM EDT
[#32]
Well, we can start a little earlier. After 600, I don't know how many shooters are still shooting? FAL...A suggestion if I can: A head count of shooters and up to what distance they like to shoot or capable to shoot with their stick. If most are still going at the longer range, then some distances should be eliminated. |
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Posted: 2/4/2006 1:11:16 PM EDT
[#33]
My rifle can go to 1K
my 2 cents says: 200 300 500 600 800 1000 I agree with mojo, once a head count of who can shoot where we can see how many shooters at each range and adjust time accordingly. |
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Posted: 2/4/2006 1:21:11 PM EDT
[#34]
I sure hope this turns out to be a long-range shoot, like the title of the thread says it is. I do not see anything wrong with a 100-200 yard start to verify zeros, but if the majority of the day is not spent past 500-600 yards, it is not a long range shoot. |
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Posted: 2/4/2006 1:22:28 PM EDT
[#35]
Why is that? |
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Posted: 2/4/2006 1:37:01 PM EDT
[#36]
Ditto...I don't see much point in shooting every 100yds from 200-600. Especially if we have a large group we will run way out of time trying to get everyone back and forth from pit duty. |
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Posted: 2/4/2006 1:49:12 PM EDT
[#37]
Hmmmm. That's a good point, R_X and frisco. How about zero at either at 100 or 200, then start from either 500 or 600 to 1K. If there are time, poeple can go back and dope the shorter ranges? |
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Posted: 2/4/2006 2:44:20 PM EDT
[#38]
Sounds good. I know the last Ft Wolters match took 3hrs with 13 shooters and 2 distances... Also, I don't know what TJ will use, but there are different target sizes for each distance. |
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Posted: 2/4/2006 5:32:30 PM EDT
[#39]
Good point guys.
Maybe a 100 yd zero(Everyone shoudl get some chrono data and ballistc calc drop data before that day) and then 300-600-800 and then the 1k... TJ, any advice? |
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Posted: 2/4/2006 5:33:54 PM EDT
[#40]
So it does not shoot loose. |
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Posted: 2/4/2006 5:44:37 PM EDT
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Guys, do your 100 yd stuff at your local range. You should have this before you show up for a 1k shoot. At the Christmas shoot we did the above distances with about 10 people in 4-1/2 hours. We were in no hurry either. Doing only 2 distances is in my opinion a waste of my time for the drive and the range time. Many need to get data in their log books so they need to do the various distances. Me, I want the wind practice at all ranges and I may have my 6.8 back in which case I will want to work up a data book on it. Sitting at 800 yards and putting 25,35, 50, or more rounds down range gets real old real quick. FWIW |
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Posted: 2/4/2006 6:19:26 PM EDT
[#42]
If you have all your dope even base on ballistic calculation drop then your shot should be in the ball park with the first shot or 2. Since we know it's on Sunday, let's get a head count: I'm in....I would like to start from 500 or 600 to 1K. Maybe we should limit x amount of time on each stage. So come in and prepare. |
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Posted: 2/4/2006 6:48:12 PM EDT
[#43]
Agreed on limiting the time at each distances, But I think we should start at 2-3, incase the wind conditions are bad. |
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Posted: 2/4/2006 6:51:07 PM EDT
[#44]
I'm in.
I don't have a problem starting at 500 and working out. We could setup 1/2 on the berms, 1/2 on target resetting. 1st group 200, 300, then switch. The time limited to 30 min. for each group. Then as we progress out we extend the time frame more. Each group would get to shoot at 2 berm distances then switch off. 200/300 --pull targets 500/600 --pull targets 800/1000 --pull targets Open range time I can't see this taking more than 5-6 hours I think it's going to come down to people being limited to certain distances because of what they are shooting. I think most of us will have bolt guns in .30 or higher. The .223 guys will of course be limited to a certain distance. If I can get my 6.8 up and running I'll be limited to 800, but I'll still play at 1k with my .308. |
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Posted: 2/4/2006 6:51:59 PM EDT
[#45]
Ok, since we will all have a 100yd zero.... that is covered... then lets start at 300. I dont want to start any shorter than that to ensure everyone is ready to go, especially if they havent shot that far. We can knock out the 200yd distance.
I am not going to dictate anything.... but safety and sensibility. Is 30 minutes per distance of shooting too little? That is what I had in mind. Figuring 30 minute of fire for Team 1, then 15 minute swap, then 30 minutes of fire for Team 2, then 15 minute swap, you can do each distance in 1.5 hours. We can EASILY do 5 distances in a day like that, and be done by 4:30, WITH an hour lunch break. If people agree with that.... it might be as simple as picking the 5 distance we want. I wouldnt mind having a little time leftover to shoot some steel at the end of the day either. But I will leave this up to discussion. We have PLENTY of time to work out these details. |
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Posted: 2/4/2006 7:09:30 PM EDT
[#46]
No problem, either. I go with the majority. Wind effect at 2 or 3 should be minimal though. |
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Posted: 2/5/2006 12:35:17 PM EDT
[#47]
We just had a State Department inspect of the range. We are now certified to hold DDM for the State Department contractors. To do that we had to add positions to shoot 4 and 7 hundred yards. I know this will add further confusion to the problem you already have.
What you need to do is identify a pit boss for each relay. That person is responsible for manning the radio. It is his job to listen for cease fires, targets not marked and other issues that might arise. He kick everyone in the butt and makes sure pit changes run smoothly. You must also identify a line boss. that is the person that the line will scream at when no one marks the target with a disk. He can shoot but must also man the radio to the pit boss. Things that will slow you down in pit changes. One the line: 1. Dragging everything you own to the line. 2. Not putting your gear away when you go to the pits In the pits: 3. Driving every vehicle to the pits. ( one truck is good) 4. Don't watch the taget, watch the inpact berm for hits The great part of a range with pit service is that you don't waist time and bullets. As soon as you fire a shot your target is pulled and marked with a disk. Simple math and the next shot is in the X. That is if you watch the wind. But thats for another post. I will have long range tagets on the trailer ready to go, that way we don't have to waist time changing targets from 600-1000 yards Good shooting, keep it in the X. |
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Posted: 2/6/2006 6:44:42 AM EDT
[#48]
Great info., TJ... |
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Posted: 2/6/2006 3:47:17 PM EDT
[#49]
Wonder if anyone is going to come out with the 6.5 Grendel. And try to do sub MOA out of a AR at 1k.
Anyone going to step up to the plate?
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Posted: 2/6/2006 4:46:05 PM EDT
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I'm game for people shooting whatever, just make sure your rounds are supersonic at 1k yards... Standing in the pits while subsonic rounds are tumbling their way through targets is not fun and dangerous to the pit crew... |
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