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Posted: 12/11/2023 6:45:53 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Ben]
Edit 1/10/2024
See below link to register. Please get signed up as soon as possible in order to facilitate our planning and logistics: Practiscore Sign up Edit: It looks like we are a go on the 17th. Tentatively we are getting exclusive use of one of the Pima County public ranges. Not sure if it will be Tucson or Ajo range yet. I originally asked for Ajo but it was suggested today in a call with the county that the Tucson range may be available. I'll let you know ASAP which range. I will have a registration link up on Practiscore soon as we solidify which range. ---------------OP--------- All, I apologize that we tried to get something going in Arizona before, and it unfortunately fell on its face. I'd like to try and get something up and going again. I'll be in Tucson over the 17th and 18th of February and more than willing to dedicate an entire day to running an event for you all. Is there a preference on which day? Would probably be a hike in the morning followed by one of several options (which I'll poll for a predominant preference next week) for the afternoon. No cost or ultra low cost for the event. Poll to follow. |
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Posted: 12/12/2023 10:57:49 PM EDT
[#1]
Zero interest?
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Posted: 12/13/2023 10:45:21 PM EDT
[#2]
Oh, I'm interested....if it was 25 years ago. Free bump in the meanwhile.
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Posted: 12/16/2023 12:32:19 PM EDT
[#3]
I'll share with our private group. I know some of them have talked about it.
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 12/16/2023 12:55:33 PM EDT
[#4]
Will attend either day. Preference on Saturday for return travel time.
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Posted: 12/16/2023 1:01:53 PM EDT
[Last Edit: JohnStoner]
[#5]
Southern Nevada chapter is in with a few. Several come from N AZ to do events with us also. Will spread the word.
Saturday preference Analog pathfinding/land nav or shooting pistol/rifle would be excellent. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 12/16/2023 1:08:39 PM EDT
[#6]
Either date would work since tucson is only a couple hours away.
Tentatively in +1. I would say 100% but I am a flake. |
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Posted: 12/17/2023 10:40:19 AM EDT
[#7]
OK all- since it appears we have interest, I'll give you a definite date in the next few days, but it appears most likely it will be Saturday. Follow-on question, which I'll add a poll for;
Hike + full day small arms training Hike + full day land navigation Hike + four hours land nav + four hours small arms Other (Write in choice). This can be anything from the Pioneer Task Book/Pioneer skills, however if it involves extensive movement of equipment and specialized safety personnel, such as the waterborne operations training, there may be a minimal cost involved. Typically somewhere around 30-50 dollars. As far as the other options, anyone who does the hike and passes at the 6 mile standard, may participate in all other training free of charge (or cost sharing depending on the venue, typically about $5 for the day, which goes towards our insurance). That includes us providing ammunition and weapons as needed for the shooting portion. If you want to skip the hike, that is fine, but we will charge you something like actual cost of ammunition and/or maps, plus 10% if you want to use our weapons and ammo, or a flat rate of $20 for the day with your own gear. Does that sound reasonable to everyone? |
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Posted: 12/17/2023 7:49:36 PM EDT
[#8]
I'm in the Phoenix area. I voted "other" with the "other" being solo/small unit Escape and Evasion.
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Posted: 12/17/2023 8:06:02 PM EDT
[#9]
Being southern Arizona I was half expecting hunting the most dangerous game
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Posted: 12/17/2023 8:24:35 PM EDT
[#10]
Better than decent chance I'm in southern Arizona at the time
any flexibility for tentative RSVPs? |
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Posted: 12/17/2023 8:24:48 PM EDT
[#11]
Interested, but I am trying to figure out how I would get down there.
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Posted: 12/18/2023 1:11:46 AM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By foxxnhound: Interested, but I am trying to figure out how I would get down there. |
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Posted: 12/18/2023 1:12:14 AM EDT
[#13]
I'm interested......
Need to know actual dates by early Jan to commit.... |
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Posted: 12/18/2023 1:23:16 AM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By helogene: I'm interested...... Need to know actual dates by early Jan to commit.... I'll let you all know soon as I've spoken to the range re: availability. |
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Posted: 12/18/2023 1:30:29 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Papposilenus]
[#15]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ben: I'll let you all know soon as I've spoken to the range re: availability. which range are you planning? if you're able to say |
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NH, USA
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Posted: 12/20/2023 5:34:15 PM EDT
[#16]
Damn! - I'd be there if it wasn't for the 2500 mile trip. Would like to see something like this in the northeast / NH.
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 12/20/2023 5:37:05 PM EDT
[#17]
What's the hike like?
Elevation gain/ terrain? And are we hiking to the training spot? As in, needing to carry all our gear on the hike? |
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USA
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Posted: 12/20/2023 5:41:48 PM EDT
[#18]
Small squad tactics is my vote.
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Posted: 12/20/2023 6:16:11 PM EDT
[Last Edit: HDLS]
[#19]
It's the weekend after Cola Northwest, but I might be in. Depends if I die in the frozen tundra or not.
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Posted: 12/21/2023 2:07:56 AM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Papposilenus: which range are you planning? if you're able to say Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Papposilenus: Originally Posted By Ben: I'll let you all know soon as I've spoken to the range re: availability. which range are you planning? if you're able to say Multiple options that I'm waiting on an answer for. |
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Posted: 12/21/2023 2:44:16 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Ben]
[#21]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By superdrag67: What's the hike like? Elevation gain/ terrain? And are we hiking to the training spot? As in, needing to carry all our gear on the hike? Current hike plan is pretty flat really. You should carry all your gear for the hike, with a pack no less than 35lbs (not including water). There will be extra water available at the end to refill. |
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Posted: 12/21/2023 2:48:38 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Ben]
[#22]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By anono: Small squad tactics is my vote. Unfortunately APC doesn't teach tactics. We teach a lot of technical skills, and more importantly we teach operations planning, but tactics isn't something we do. The closest we get is our search and recovery training or engineering reconnaissance. Critical thinking and a rapid OODA loop cycle trumps textbook tactics. |
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Posted: 12/21/2023 2:49:45 AM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By anono: Small squad tactics is my vote. That plus some land nav and small arms training beforehand (I can definitely use a refresher on the former and some training on the latter) would be nice. I tried to get something going in CA but was plagued by lack of interest and then getting a job that had me at sea most of the year, and until recently, not in a predictable fashion. One of my buddies lives in Tucson, so seeing him plus doing this would be a good reason to go and I am scheduled to be off that weekend. He might want to participate as well. Army veteran of Afghanistan. |
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Posted: 12/21/2023 2:53:43 AM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PeakMPD: Damn! - I'd be there if it wasn't for the 2500 mile trip. Would like to see something like this in the northeast / NH. Check your PM... |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 12/21/2023 12:32:04 PM EDT
[#25]
I’m in the west valley, oldest son is down in Tucson. Do you guys have a website up and running yet?
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Posted: 12/21/2023 12:35:16 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Ben]
[#26]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By XNARC: I’m in the west valley, oldest son is down in Tucson. Do you guys have a website up and running yet? It has been up for a few years actually... American Pioneer Corps website. |
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Posted: 12/21/2023 2:20:33 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ben: Unfortunately APC doesn't teach tactics. We teach a lot of technical skills, and more importantly we teach operations planning, but tactics isn't something we do. The closest we get is our search and recovery training or engineering reconnaissance. Critical thinking and a rapid OODA loop cycle trumps textbook tactics. There’s a thread in GD right now about APC ambush tactics drills. |
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Posted: 12/21/2023 2:28:44 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Ben]
[#28]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FightingHellfish: There’s a thread in GD right now about APC ambush tactics drills. Really? I think you're probably referring to the WhiskersTheCat thread. The exercise in question was not instruction in tactics, nor were the students conducting ambushes. They were conducting a SAR exercise in which the had very limited information, and were ambushed by a well positioned lone shooter to force the student in a leadership role to make a decision and later justify that decision. It was a mechanism for creating stress and forcing action, not instruction in tactics. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 12/21/2023 2:47:34 PM EDT
[#29]
I expect to be working this Saturday but otherwise count me as interested. I'm about two hours east of Tucson and will make the drive for overnight stuff if it aligns with my work schedule.
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Posted: 12/21/2023 3:59:04 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ben: Really? I think you're probably referring to the WhiskersTheCat thread. The exercise in question was not instruction in tactics, nor were the students conducting ambushes. They were conducting a SAR exercise in which the had very limited information, and were ambushed by a well positioned lone shooter to force the student in a leadership role to make a decision and later justify that decision. It was a mechanism for creating stress and forcing action, not instruction in tactics. Sorry, I know that member has a lot of enthusiasm and a colorful writing style. I just went by his description of “two patrol/ambush exercises with APC.” I do understand your emphasis on mission planning and leadership and decision making. I just saw his quote and I laughed because I had just seen you compare APC curriculum to BSA Handbook topics. I thought, IA drills aren’t in the handbook. Lol. (They probably should be). |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 12/26/2023 2:23:12 AM EDT
[#31]
Bump to top. Still interested in any activity- Voted mountaineering. Keep updates going- thanks.
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Posted: 12/26/2023 4:29:22 AM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By anthem_of_the_mind: Bump to top. Still interested in any activity- Voted mountaineering. Keep updates going- thanks. Plan on Saturday the 17th. Waiting back to hear about our range request. Person that needs to handle it on the other end was out through Christmas. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 12/27/2023 10:56:19 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ben: Plan on Saturday the 17th. Waiting back to hear about our range request. Person that needs to handle it on the other end was out through Christmas. Sounds good. In +1 for sure. Possibly +1 more tho. |
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Posted: 1/2/2024 5:59:48 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/8/2024 2:57:00 PM EDT
[#35]
Please see update in OP. We are a "go" for the 17th of February.
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Posted: 1/10/2024 11:20:17 AM EDT
[#36]
Registration link up in OP.
Please sign up soonest to help us plan. Someone asked previously via PM- so I'll answer here in case others are wondering...is this event appropriate for Boy Scout troops or the like? Yes! Absolutely. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 1/10/2024 10:01:20 PM EDT
[#37]
In and signed up. Thanks.
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Posted: 1/11/2024 5:05:09 AM EDT
[Last Edit: bigstick61]
[#38]
Signed up. The only weapon and ammo I would need to borrow is a shotgun and shotgun ammo. I do not presently have one and only have a very small amount of shotgun ammo types required. I didn't realize that it would be so far from Tucson, though.
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Posted: 1/11/2024 6:47:16 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bigstick61: Signed up. The only weapon and ammo I would need to borrow is a shotgun and shotgun ammo. I do not presently have one and only have a very small amount of shotgun ammo types required. I didn't realize that it would be so far from Tucson, though. Honestly, it just came down to range availability. Sorry for the inconvenience... If it is any consolation, I'll be driving a truck from Montana, so...
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 1/11/2024 11:06:58 AM EDT
[#40]
Are there more details about the class listed somewhere? I could not find much at all. It appears there are options for the three parts but I can not tell for sure. I would probably be in for the land nav. range and quals. but hiking with a pack for my 73 year old knees is out, lol.
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Posted: 1/11/2024 11:22:46 AM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By babue: Are there more details about the class listed somewhere? I could not find much at all. It appears there are options for the three parts but I can not tell for sure. I would probably be in for the land nav. range and quals. but hiking with a pack for my 73 year old knees is out, lol. We will send an email out a week prior, as well as post Info here. In the description of the event it lists the starting time for each portion. You can join for any combination of events. All of these classes will be very basic. As if you have had very little exposure to the subject matter. We will adjust on the fly a little for individual skill levels. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 1/11/2024 1:33:53 PM EDT
[#42]
IN. Looking forward to some training.
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Posted: 1/11/2024 5:43:43 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ben: Honestly, it just came down to range availability. Sorry for the inconvenience... If it is any consolation, I'll be driving a truck from Montana, so... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ben: Originally Posted By bigstick61: Signed up. The only weapon and ammo I would need to borrow is a shotgun and shotgun ammo. I do not presently have one and only have a very small amount of shotgun ammo types required. I didn't realize that it would be so far from Tucson, though. Honestly, it just came down to range availability. Sorry for the inconvenience... If it is any consolation, I'll be driving a truck from Montana, so... No worries, I've driven to PA just to do a Cola Warrior. I'm staying at a friend's place in Tucson the night before, so it won't be too bad, just a very early day. |
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Posted: 2/11/2024 5:56:31 AM EDT
[#44]
Are we meeting at the range in the morning or somewhere else? I just want to be sure that I'm going to the right place. Practiscore is just showing me the range address.
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Posted: 2/11/2024 11:10:10 AM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bigstick61: Are we meeting at the range in the morning or somewhere else? I just want to be sure that I'm going to the right place. Practiscore is just showing me the range address. I'll send out a Practiscore email today. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 2/13/2024 10:05:33 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ben: I'll send out a Practiscore email today. Did you send it out? I haven't received anything |
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Posted: 2/13/2024 10:09:59 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By boobaloo: Did you send it out? I haven't received anything I did not. I got snowed into the mountains and didn't have Internet. I am half way to Tucson from Montana and have just stopped for the evening. I will send it tonight. |
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Posted: 2/14/2024 10:18:27 AM EDT
[#48]
Please let me know you all got the email.
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Posted: 2/14/2024 2:39:49 PM EDT
[#49]
I got it. If we wanted to get things signed off in the task book, do we have to have the latest edition or are older ones still suitable (I have the September 2020 edition)?
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Posted: 2/14/2024 7:31:12 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bigstick61: I got it. If we wanted to get things signed off in the task book, do we have to have the latest edition or are older ones still suitable (I have the September 2020 edition)? Old school, LOL. The original task book is probably close enough to work for now, but I'd recommend picking up the current one at some point. There were some significant changes to requirements for various ratings in the second edition. Changes since then have been minor. |
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