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KY, USA
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Posted: 1/23/2024 5:40:59 AM EDT
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KY, USA
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Posted: 1/23/2024 8:20:23 AM EDT
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Well I am no fan of River City, the owner once told me he could care less about local, repeat business. So, happy if it is anyone then it is them.
But, sets a bad precedent for sure. Just someone has no idea about what gun to buy is no reason to think they are sketchy. Home defense? maybe a sketchy reason but can't discount them for being stupid. Seen so many stupid people with guns that its not even funny. |
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KY, USA
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Posted: 1/23/2024 9:56:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CbtEngr1: Well I am no fan of River City, the owner once told me he could care less about local, repeat business. So, happy if it is anyone then it is them. But, sets a bad precedent for sure. Just someone has no idea about what gun to buy is no reason to think they are sketchy. Home defense? maybe a sketchy reason but can't discount them for being stupid. Seen so many stupid people with guns that its not even funny. Plenty of people who hold a driver's license and buy cars, but no one sues a car dealership for a guy who bought a car to intentionally run over and kill someone. |
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KY, USA
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Posted: 1/23/2024 2:50:38 PM EDT
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Follow the money and lawyers.
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Posted: 1/23/2024 5:33:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CbtEngr1: Follow the money and lawyers. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CbtEngr1: Follow the money and lawyers. https://www.wdrb.com/news/louisville-gun-store-ignored-obvious-red-flags-when-old-national-bank-shooter-bought-ar-15/article_03461104-ba01-11ee-b8a2-a7955b88fd41.html Clearly there is no bias here Thomas said there are no plans to include the Sturgeon family in any lawsuits, saying there's nothing to say they did anything wrong. They are, however, looking "up the chain," Thomas said, at other potential lawsuits against the manufacturer of the gun or the accessories. |
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KY, USA
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Posted: 1/24/2024 6:23:48 AM EDT
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Here's more on the lawsuit
he lawsuit alleges River City Firearms, the business that sold the gun just days before last April’s shooting, fell short of their legal obligation to prevent the gun from ending up in the wrong hands. ...gun dealer ignored warning signs from the now deceased shooter....[Alla Lefkowitz, senior director of affirmative litigation at Everytown Law] described the shooter as, “a complete novice who had no idea how to hold the rifle, how to load it, who’s acting oddly in the store, averting his gaze, speaking in hush tones.” She said that should have been enough. “These are all indicators that federally licensed firearm dealers are trained to look for.” |
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USA
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Posted: 1/24/2024 11:41:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By green_bullet: Here's more on the lawsuit he lawsuit alleges River City Firearms, the business that sold the gun just days before last April’s shooting, fell short of their legal obligation to prevent the gun from ending up in the wrong hands. ...gun dealer ignored warning signs from the now deceased shooter....[Alla Lefkowitz, senior director of affirmative litigation at Everytown Law] described the shooter as, “a complete novice who had no idea how to hold the rifle, how to load it, who’s acting oddly in the store, averting his gaze, speaking in hush tones.” She said that should have been enough. “These are all indicators that federally licensed firearm dealers are trained to look for.” How do they know how the POS was behaving at the store? Did someone at RCF share that info? This is what the terrorist POS who did the killing wanted. He stated his motivation was to damage the gun industry and restrict gun rights. |
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KY, USA
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Posted: 1/24/2024 12:59:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Clockwork138: How do they know how the POS was behaving at the store? Did someone at RCF share that info? This is what the terrorist POS who did the killing wanted. He stated his motivation was to damage the gun industry and restrict gun rights. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Clockwork138: How do they know how the POS was behaving at the store? Did someone at RCF share that info? This is what the terrorist POS who did the killing wanted. He stated his motivation was to damage the gun industry and restrict gun rights. https://www.wave3.com/2024/01/22/family-old-national-bank-shooting-victims-survivors-file-lawsuit-against-river-city-firearms/ The lawsuit claims that while at River City Firearms, the shooter was acting so strange that another customer considered calling police herself. The lawsuit describes Connor Sturgeon, 25, as appearing embarrassed, avoiding eye contact while lowering his head to avert anyone's gaze and speaking in an unusually quiet tone. The witness stated that it was also apparent that he had a complete lack of knowledge or experience with firearms, including how to use them. When news of the shooting broke, the lawsuit stated the witness immediately turned to her husband and said, "I bet it's that kid from the store." |
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KY, USA
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Posted: 1/24/2024 7:18:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By scottr: Saw this in a few other places: https://www.wave3.com/2024/01/22/family-old-national-bank-shooting-victims-survivors-file-lawsuit-against-river-city-firearms/ Would be interesting to know who this person is and why they were in the store Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By scottr: Originally Posted By Clockwork138: How do they know how the POS was behaving at the store? Did someone at RCF share that info? This is what the terrorist POS who did the killing wanted. He stated his motivation was to damage the gun industry and restrict gun rights. https://www.wave3.com/2024/01/22/family-old-national-bank-shooting-victims-survivors-file-lawsuit-against-river-city-firearms/ The lawsuit claims that while at River City Firearms, the shooter was acting so strange that another customer considered calling police herself. The lawsuit describes Connor Sturgeon, 25, as appearing embarrassed, avoiding eye contact while lowering his head to avert anyone's gaze and speaking in an unusually quiet tone. The witness stated that it was also apparent that he had a complete lack of knowledge or experience with firearms, including how to use them. When news of the shooting broke, the lawsuit stated the witness immediately turned to her husband and said, "I bet it's that kid from the store." "That witness, the lawsuit said, turned to her husband upon hearing there was a mass shooting April 10 and said "I bet it's that kid from the store." |
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USA
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Posted: 1/24/2024 10:42:00 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By green_bullet: Originally Posted By scottr: Originally Posted By Clockwork138: How do they know how the POS was behaving at the store? Did someone at RCF share that info? This is what the terrorist POS who did the killing wanted. He stated his motivation was to damage the gun industry and restrict gun rights. https://www.wave3.com/2024/01/22/family-old-national-bank-shooting-victims-survivors-file-lawsuit-against-river-city-firearms/ The lawsuit claims that while at River City Firearms, the shooter was acting so strange that another customer considered calling police herself. The lawsuit describes Connor Sturgeon, 25, as appearing embarrassed, avoiding eye contact while lowering his head to avert anyone's gaze and speaking in an unusually quiet tone. The witness stated that it was also apparent that he had a complete lack of knowledge or experience with firearms, including how to use them. When news of the shooting broke, the lawsuit stated the witness immediately turned to her husband and said, "I bet it's that kid from the store." "That witness, the lawsuit said, turned to her husband upon hearing there was a mass shooting April 10 and said "I bet it's that kid from the store." So the entire lawsuit is based on an interaction between a shop employee and a customer who some woman "bet(s)" was the shooter. |
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Posted: 1/24/2024 10:44:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Clockwork138: So the entire lawsuit is based on an interaction between a shop employee and a customer who some woman "bet(s)" was the shooter. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Clockwork138: Originally Posted By green_bullet: Originally Posted By scottr: Originally Posted By Clockwork138: How do they know how the POS was behaving at the store? Did someone at RCF share that info? This is what the terrorist POS who did the killing wanted. He stated his motivation was to damage the gun industry and restrict gun rights. https://www.wave3.com/2024/01/22/family-old-national-bank-shooting-victims-survivors-file-lawsuit-against-river-city-firearms/ The lawsuit claims that while at River City Firearms, the shooter was acting so strange that another customer considered calling police herself. The lawsuit describes Connor Sturgeon, 25, as appearing embarrassed, avoiding eye contact while lowering his head to avert anyone's gaze and speaking in an unusually quiet tone. The witness stated that it was also apparent that he had a complete lack of knowledge or experience with firearms, including how to use them. When news of the shooting broke, the lawsuit stated the witness immediately turned to her husband and said, "I bet it's that kid from the store." "That witness, the lawsuit said, turned to her husband upon hearing there was a mass shooting April 10 and said "I bet it's that kid from the store." So the entire lawsuit is based on an interaction between a shop employee and a customer who some woman "bet(s)" was the shooter. Missed the part a business up sold accessories (the mortal sin) and he was new to guns |
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USA
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Posted: 1/25/2024 9:21:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By craig24680: Missed the part a business up sold accessories (the mortal sin) and he was new to guns Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By craig24680: Originally Posted By Clockwork138: Originally Posted By green_bullet: Originally Posted By scottr: Originally Posted By Clockwork138: How do they know how the POS was behaving at the store? Did someone at RCF share that info? This is what the terrorist POS who did the killing wanted. He stated his motivation was to damage the gun industry and restrict gun rights. https://www.wave3.com/2024/01/22/family-old-national-bank-shooting-victims-survivors-file-lawsuit-against-river-city-firearms/ The lawsuit claims that while at River City Firearms, the shooter was acting so strange that another customer considered calling police herself. The lawsuit describes Connor Sturgeon, 25, as appearing embarrassed, avoiding eye contact while lowering his head to avert anyone's gaze and speaking in an unusually quiet tone. The witness stated that it was also apparent that he had a complete lack of knowledge or experience with firearms, including how to use them. When news of the shooting broke, the lawsuit stated the witness immediately turned to her husband and said, "I bet it's that kid from the store." "That witness, the lawsuit said, turned to her husband upon hearing there was a mass shooting April 10 and said "I bet it's that kid from the store." So the entire lawsuit is based on an interaction between a shop employee and a customer who some woman "bet(s)" was the shooter. Missed the part a business up sold accessories (the mortal sin) and he was new to guns Everytown's whole argument seems to be based on that RCF shouldn't have sold anything to the killer due to his behavior, though. Behavior, which according to the news articles, was only noticed by one woman who, after the fact, thinks she saw the killer being sold a gun in the shop. Unless there's evidence that proves she was in the store at the same time, how is anyone to know she's not just making the whole story up or saw one of countless other exchanges where a awkward new gun owner, who wasn't the killer, is sold a weapon. |
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Posted: 1/25/2024 9:29:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CbtEngr1: Well I am no fan of River City, the owner once told me he could care less about local, repeat business. So, happy if it is anyone then it is them. Interesting. They are my go to shop in Louisville. Best prices in the city. However, my only interaction with the owner was him arguing with me about details of some surplus military rifles he obviously wasn't as knowledgeable of as he thought he was. |
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KY, USA
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Posted: 1/25/2024 9:40:32 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Jeep29]
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Found a copy of the complaint, just starting to read it...
https://interactive.whas11.com/pdfs/OldNationalSurvivors-v-RiverCityFirearms.pdf Link |
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KY, USA
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Posted: 1/25/2024 10:11:11 AM EDT
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Lots of questions about the witness now. There are a lot of details about the transaction at RCF that must have come from her even though they don't mention it
It would be good to find her statement |
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KY, USA
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Posted: 1/25/2024 7:35:54 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Jeep29]
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https://www.wave3.com/2024/01/25/behind-investigation-old-national-bank-lawsuit/
Link |
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KY, USA
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Posted: 1/25/2024 8:15:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By green_bullet: https://www.wave3.com/2024/01/25/behind-investigation-old-national-bank-lawsuit/ Where's the kid that I can buy a gun for $50 from? Asking for a friend |
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KY, USA
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Posted: 1/26/2024 1:49:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Clockwork138: Interesting. They are my go to shop in Louisville. Best prices in the city. However, my only interaction with the owner was him arguing with me about details of some surplus military rifles he obviously wasn't as knowledgeable of as he thought he was. He's my go to guy when I buy from PSA. |
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Posted: 4/10/2024 10:20:35 PM EDT
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On the 1 year anniversary
More lawfare https://www.wave3.com/2024/04/10/lawsuits-expand-accessories-sold-by-river-city-firearms-old-national-bank-shooter/ |
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KY, USA
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Posted: 4/11/2024 8:18:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By craig24680: On the 1 year anniversary More lawfare https://www.wave3.com/2024/04/10/lawsuits-expand-accessories-sold-by-river-city-firearms-old-national-bank-shooter/ Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By craig24680: On the 1 year anniversary More lawfare https://www.wave3.com/2024/04/10/lawsuits-expand-accessories-sold-by-river-city-firearms-old-national-bank-shooter/ What an idiot "We want to make it unsustainable for these distributors, gun manufacturers, component part manufacturers, we want to make it prohibitive for them to sell anything deadly, we want to make it a financial risk for them to do anything that causes needless death," said Romanucci. Can't wait for the non-deadly firearms that this tool wants |
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Posted: 4/11/2024 4:28:36 PM EDT
[Last Edit: RobZ71LM7]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By scottr: What an idiot Can't wait for the non-deadly firearms that this tool wants Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By scottr: Originally Posted By craig24680: On the 1 year anniversary More lawfare https://www.wave3.com/2024/04/10/lawsuits-expand-accessories-sold-by-river-city-firearms-old-national-bank-shooter/ What an idiot "We want to make it unsustainable for these distributors, gun manufacturers, component part manufacturers, we want to make it prohibitive for them to sell anything deadly, we want to make it a financial risk for them to do anything that causes needless death," said Romanucci. Can't wait for the non-deadly firearms that this tool wants This stuff makes me sick. I went to high school with one of the victims (Josh Barrick), and it’s sad seeing lawyers use his loss and manipulate the families. I know other friends of his feel the same way. |
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