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Posted: 2/14/2024 10:47:01 PM EDT
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VCDL Legislative Update 2/14/24 We have now passed crossover day, the halfway mark, where gun bills that passed one body are now being heard in the other body. So, House bills are being heard in the Senate and Senate bills are being heard in the House. (ACTION ITEM on Delegate Coyner at end of this alert.) Here’s where the bills stand: All major gun-rights bills have been killed in committees in both houses. VCDL has changed its position on these two bills, from OPPOSE to NEUTRAL, after both were modified to protect gun-owners from being wrongly charged: HB 36, Delegate Willett, and SB 44, Senator VanVaulkenburg, makes it a crime for a parent to allow their child to gain possession of a firearm after having been notified that their child is a danger to himself or others due to things such as being convicted of a violent crime. Gun-control bills that passed on a bipartisan vote, with all Democrats supporting and some Republicans supporting: NOTE, except for SB 225, which is a senate bill, Delegate Coyner voted in support of all 8 of the House gun-control bills on this list. See section 6 on Delegate Coyner at the end. HB 46, Delegate Bennett-Parker, requires a person holding guns for a prohibited person to be at least 21 and live at a different address. Delegate Coyner voted for this bill. HB 173, Delegate Simon, requires homemade guns made after 1968 to be serialized. Delegate Coyner voted for this bill HB 362, Delegate McClure, adds a “dating relationship” to misdemeanor domestic violence category. Delegates Coyner and Lovejoy voted for this bill. HB 454, Delegate Callsen, bans guns at higher education buildings. Delegate Coyner voted for this bill. HB 637, Delegate Sullivan, creates a Substantial Risk Order (Red Flag) training program for law enforcement. Delegate Coyner voted for this bill. HB 798, Delegate Hope, takes away gun rights for simple assault, assault and battery, and stalking. Delegate Coyner voted for this bill. HB 861, Delegate Hernandez, bans guns in hospitals. Delegate Coyner voted for this bill. HB 1174, Delegate Sickles, makes it illegal for anyone under 21 to purchase an “assault firearm.” Delegate Coyner voted for this bill. Gun-control bills that passed on a party-line vote, with all Democrats supporting and all Republicans opposing: HB 2, Delegate Helmer, bans “assault weapon” and magazines that hold more than 10 rounds which were made after July 1, 2024. SB 2, Senator Deeds, bans “assault weapon” and magazines that hold more than 10 rounds which were made after July 1, 2024. SB 47, Senator Favola, requires a person holding guns for a prohibited person be 21 or older and live at a different address. SB 57, Senator Salim, makes it illegal for a CHP holder to carry concealed in a restaurant or club that serves alcoholic beverages. SB 99, Senator Ebbin, prohibits open carry of “assault weapons” in public areas. SB 100, Senator Ebbin, requires serialization of homemade guns made after 1968. HB 158, Delegate McClure, requires locking devices for firearms and a warning sheet be included when a gun is sold. HB 175, Delegate Simon, prohibits open carry of “assault weapons” in public areas. HB 183, Delegate Simon, requires all firearms in a home, that are not being carried, to be locked up if someone in the home is under 18-years-old. SB 258, Senator Surovell, expands what a judge can consider when issuing a red flag order. SB 273, Senator Subramanyam, creates a five-day waiting period for gun sales. HB 318, Delegate Helmer, allows the firearms industry to be subject to frivolous civil lawsuits. SB 327, Senator Salim, makes it illegal for someone under 21 to purchase a handgun or “assault firearm.” SB 368, Senator Boysco, requires all firearms in a home, that are not being carried, to be locked up if someone in the home is under 18-years-old. SB 373, Senator Deeds, bans guns in higher-education buildings. SB 447, Senator Marsden, creates a civil fine with car towing, for a handgun left visible in an unattended vehicle. SB 491, Senator Carroll Foy, allows the firearms industry to be subject to frivolous civil lawsuits. SB 515, Senator Williams Graves, bans guns in hospitals. SB 522, Senator Williams Graves, requires training to be able to purchase a firearm. HB 585, Delegate Mundon King, prevents home-based FFLs from operating within 1.5 miles of a school. SB 642, Senator Perry, adds “dating relationship” to misdemeanor domestic violence definition to prohibit a person from owning firearms. HB 797, Delegate Hope, removes NRA and USCCA courses as training for getting a CHP. It also requires 10 rounds of live fire. HB 799, Delegate Hope, requires fingerprinting to get a CHP. HB 939, Delegate Shin, prohibits firearms within 100 feet of electoral board, voter registration, voter satellite buildings, or absentee drop-off locations. Gun-control bills that are either defeated or have been continued until next year: HB 113, Delegate Sullivan, takes away gun rights for misdemeanor drunk driving, defeated. HB 270, Delegate Reid, omnibus bills that includes semi-auto and magazine bans, waiting periods, and more, continued to 2025. HB 319, Delegate Helmer, removes NRA and USCCA courses as those that are accepted training for getting a CHP, continued to 2025. HB 602, Delegate Price, creates a government agency, the Virginia Center for Firearm Violence and Prevention, continued to 2025. HB 791, Delegate Henson, makes it a felony to have a BB gun on school property, defeated. Republican Delegate Coyner is voting for gun control and that is bad for all of us! Delegate Coyner seems to be confused as to whether she is a Republican or a Democrat, or she doesn’t understand either her Party’s platform or the 2A’s “shall not be infringed.” The vast majority of the Republicans in the General Assembly don’t have that problem and are standing strong so far. Here is what Delegate Coyner supports in a nutshell: No guns in hospitals, even for CHP holders No guns in higher-education buildings, even for CHP holders No “assault firearms” for young adults Gun rights taken away for misdemeanor simple assault, assault and battery, or stalking Add the nebulous term “dating relationships” to the misdemeanor domestic violence law, opening up a Pandora’s Box that can be abused by a disgruntled ex-boyfriend or ex-girlfriend Training police so they can violate our rights more efficiently using the Red Flag law A spouse or family member living in the home with someone who has been issued a protective order, have to give up their guns, too, even though they have nothing to do with the protective order Homemade guns have to be registered on a Form 4473, as if they are commercially made firearms ACTION ITEM! Bipartisan votes, even if it is just one Republican that breaks ranks, are harmful when it comes to gun-control bills landing on the Governor’s desk next week. If you live in Delegate Coyner’s district, I suggest you give her a polite, but firm, call about all those bad votes: 804-698-1075. |
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Thanks. I was wondering the status. So I guess these next two weeks we need to hit them hard.
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Just reading those idiotic bills significantly raised my blood pressure.
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Originally Posted By Ambridge77: Just reading those idiotic bills significantly raised my blood pressure. View Quote I can't see how any gun owner that isn't a liberal dumbass, could vote for the Dems or sit out our elections. Battle lines have been drawn, the Dems have completely dropped the lie of we ain't coming for your guns. I also can't see how the RPV can't see that they are getting their asses stomped, and adjust accordingly. |
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Originally Posted By bad2006z71: I can't see how any gun owner that isn't a Battle lines have been drawn, the Dems have completely dropped the lie of we ain't coming for your guns. I also can't see how the RPV can't see that they are getting their asses stomped, and adjust accordingly. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By bad2006z71: Originally Posted By Ambridge77: Just reading those idiotic bills significantly raised my blood pressure. I can't see how any gun owner that isn't a Battle lines have been drawn, the Dems have completely dropped the lie of we ain't coming for your guns. I also can't see how the RPV can't see that they are getting their asses stomped, and adjust accordingly. FIFY The RPV has been toothless and is unable to dispel the notion that the first thing it'll do is ban all abortions and automobile smog controls. And this is because of the "muh candidate ain't pure" thinking. Our enemy thinks in increments - it is the hallmark of the socialist and communist. Many on our sides think in absolutes, all or nothing, and our results are ... nothing. |
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Originally Posted By homeyclaus: FIFY The RPV has been toothless and is unable to dispel the notion that the first thing it'll do is ban all abortions and automobile smog controls. And this is because of the "muh candidate ain't pure" thinking. Our enemy thinks in increments - it is the hallmark of the socialist and communist. Many on our sides think in absolutes, all or nothing, and our results are ... nothing. View Quote Hardly a problem with the RPV, but rather the voters. Only 39% of voters turned out last election. |
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Originally Posted By dalle0001: Hardly a problem with the RPV, but rather the voters. Only 39% of voters turned out last election. View Quote Ok, so where was RPV’s GOTV effort? 39% turnout, and a lot of close races, if they had any sort of serious effort to get people to the polls, we probably wouldn’t be having this discussion. |
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Originally Posted By HokieErik: Ok, so where was RPV's GOTV effort? 39% turnout, and a lot of close races, if they had any sort of serious effort to get people to the polls, we probably wouldn't be having this discussion. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By HokieErik: Originally Posted By dalle0001: Hardly a problem with the RPV, but rather the voters. Only 39% of voters turned out last election. Ok, so where was RPV's GOTV effort? 39% turnout, and a lot of close races, if they had any sort of serious effort to get people to the polls, we probably wouldn't be having this discussion. And where is the GOP's plan to not let seats run unopposed? Even if they are certain Democrat districts, force them fuckers to spend money there instead of a purple/light blue area of the state. |
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Originally Posted By dalle0001: Hardly a problem with the RPV, but rather the voters. Only 39% of voters turned out last election. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By dalle0001: Originally Posted By homeyclaus: FIFY The RPV has been toothless and is unable to dispel the notion that the first thing it'll do is ban all abortions and automobile smog controls. And this is because of the "muh candidate ain't pure" thinking. Our enemy thinks in increments - it is the hallmark of the socialist and communist. Many on our sides think in absolutes, all or nothing, and our results are ... nothing. Hardly a problem with the RPV, but rather the voters. Only 39% of voters turned out last election. Voters aren't turning out because they either feel victory is assured, or because the candidate isn't pure enough. The RPV is not doing what it needs to in terms of educating voters, and in terms of countering the crosstalk from the other party. The opposition thinks in increments, and R voters like their simple but wrong absolutisms. "Not gonna go vote if my district nominee isn't 100% against abortion." for example. |
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Originally Posted By homeyclaus: Voters aren't turning out because they either feel victory is assured, or because the candidate isn't pure enough. The RPV is not doing what it needs to in terms of educating voters, and in terms of countering the crosstalk from the other party. The opposition thinks in increments, and R voters like their simple but wrong absolutisms. "Not gonna go vote if my district nominee isn't 100% against abortion." for example. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By homeyclaus: Originally Posted By dalle0001: Originally Posted By homeyclaus: FIFY The RPV has been toothless and is unable to dispel the notion that the first thing it'll do is ban all abortions and automobile smog controls. And this is because of the "muh candidate ain't pure" thinking. Our enemy thinks in increments - it is the hallmark of the socialist and communist. Many on our sides think in absolutes, all or nothing, and our results are ... nothing. Hardly a problem with the RPV, but rather the voters. Only 39% of voters turned out last election. Voters aren't turning out because they either feel victory is assured, or because the candidate isn't pure enough. The RPV is not doing what it needs to in terms of educating voters, and in terms of countering the crosstalk from the other party. The opposition thinks in increments, and R voters like their simple but wrong absolutisms. "Not gonna go vote if my district nominee isn't 100% against abortion." for example. This, Muh candidate ain't pure is bull shit. You think the Dems fucking love Biden? No, he ain't Trump. That was good enough. At least with a shitty GOP legislator, pressure could be applied. There are no longer any pro gun Democrats. The GOP is also old as shit. Not sure how to bring in younger voters as they want socialism and more government. |
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Originally Posted By bad2006z71: This, Muh candidate ain't pure is bull shit. You think the Dems fucking love Biden? No, he ain't Trump. That was good enough. At least with a shitty GOP legislator, pressure could be applied. There are no longer any pro gun Democrats. The GOP is also old as shit. Not sure how to bring in younger voters as they want socialism and more government. View Quote Talking about stuff they care about, and why what what we care about matters in their context. But old southern Democrats and old Republicans cans do it without tripping over their own bullshit, and can't take advice from people younger than 60. |
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Does anyone here know if the anti-2A bills
that passed the VA General Assembly have been officially presented to Governor Youngkin? My understanding is that Gov. Youngkin has seven days to sign, veto, "take no action," or return the bills to the legislature with objections or recommendations for "severable amendments." I don't see a time requirement for when the legislature has to present bills after passage, other than doing so before the end of their normal session. |
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Originally Posted By Ambridge77: Does anyone here know if the anti-2A bills that passed the VA General Assembly have been officially presented to Governor Youngkin? My understanding is that Gov. Youngkin has seven days to sign, veto, "take no action," or return the bills to the legislature with objections or recommendations for "severable amendments." I don't see a time requirement for when the legislature has to present bills after passage, other than doing so before the end of their normal session. View Quote https://vcdl-lis.org/ Only one bill is on the Governor's desk to sign by March 8. HB46/SB47 Firearm transfers to another person from a prohibited person. |
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Originally Posted By HansohnBrothers: VCDL does a great job of reporting on the bills and their status. https://vcdl-lis.org/ Only one bill is on the Governor's desk to sign by March 8. HB46/SB47 Firearm transfers to another person from a prohibited person. View Quote @HansohnBrothers Thanks, I can see the Governor's Action Deadline dates now. I was only noticing the post-"crossover" bill adoption dates with my old man eyesight prior to looking again. ETA - My latest understanding of the "Governor's Action Deadline" is that the 7 day deadline only applies to expedited bills, and that a 30 day deadline is given for the others. Can anyone here confirm this? ETA 2 - Confirmed. 7 day deadline if bills are presented before the last week of the regular legislative session, otherwise 30 days. |
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From the VCDL email:
"HB2, bans “assault firearms” and magazines holding more than 10 rounds made after July 1, 2024." Guns have serial numbers to show compliance with this unconstitutional bill, if signed. I guess I really should look, but how would you prove your mags are old enough? Register them with the state? (Ha-ha, just a weak joke.) |
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Originally Posted By ducbsa: From the VCDL email: "HB2, bans "assault firearms" and magazines holding more than 10 rounds made after July 1, 2024." Guns have serial numbers to show compliance with this unconstitutional bill, if signed. I guess I really should look, but how would you prove your mags are old enough? Register them with the state? (Ha-ha, just a weak joke.) View Quote I don't know about pistol mags, but Pmags have a date code stamped in them. |
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Don't let the join date fool you... here since '97
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Is Youngkin waiting for the last day to take action
on the rest of the anti-2A bills, like he did for the expedited bills? "Well... We're waiting!" meme here. |
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Originally Posted By Ambridge77: Is Youngkin waiting for the last day to take action on the rest of the anti-2A bills, like he did for the expedited bills? "Well... We're waiting!" meme here. View Quote Probably waiting till the last minute to get all the polling data he can on which group he loses more future votes from depending on veto or not veto. Gun owners or suburban Karen's. |
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I guess he has higher aspirations, like senator.
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Youngkin vetoed 20 bills today.
I didn't see any anti-2A bills among those vetoes. |
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