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I'm wondering now... would that look retarded on a carbine (16" barrel)? I think it might.
Guess I'll have to get a new rifle to put that stock on. Damn. I probably wouldn't even have a serious need for the adjustability, it just looks way to cool. |
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Yes, it's very pretty. Seriously, I may well be able to use one for a project currently entering the lower phase.
Notwithstanding how appropriate this stock seems to be for precision applications, is there any chance of seeing a QD sling swivel adapter for it, instead of the rail? Similarly, will a KAC ambidextrous carbine receiver plate sling mount (P/N 22051) or the KAC 1" stock extension sling mount combo (P/N 98506) work in conjunction with this stock? What is it's minimum and maximum lengths? What is it's weight? How does the weight and length of pull compare to a standard A2 stock? Has it been range or field tested? Will there be a recoil pad? |
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Must have one When oh when??
Where do I order? When can I order? How much? (Doesn't actually matter, just want to know.) GROUP BUY? |
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I.... must..... have .....one..... now only ....need....money!
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I was able to obtain an somewhat elderly copy of "MSS Handout 3". Contained therein, I note the line drawing for the M95 included a QD sling swivel at the receiver plate which isn't present in the photos posted. Of course, this is the same document that suggests a release date for the stock as mid-late 2003, so take it for what it's worth.
One of the industry partners also points out that the cheek plate appears to be about 3" back from the fore of the stock. Since most folks plant their cheek about 2" back, there might be a bit of a problem with natural positioning. Considerations such as these are in part why I ask about range/field testing. It usually puts to rest any concerns. Well, that along with product technical data. Right now, all caution is being based upon supposition. The M95 might turn out to be one of the finest AR stock on the market (once it's actually released). |
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What in 2007 or 8 |
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Watcher It appears the reason the cheek rest is where it is , would be due to the fact that if it were much more forward it would interfere with the operation of the charging handle of a standard configuration AR-15 or M16 otherwise the end user would require a upper capable of charging differentley than 95% of the rifles currentley in production. Just my simple observation.
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While I wouldn't mind owning a side-charging AR it's not tops on my list. |
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The real question isn't whether the cheek plate was placed in its current position due to the charging handle. That sounds like a perfectly rational explanation. What's important is whether this distance will have any adverse effect on natural cheek weld for a target rifle.
Perhaps the change in body location will not seriously impact length of pull. Maybe the adjustable stock length will take care of that. It could be that eye relief on a scope can be corrected (if need be) by moving the scope back in the rings. Then again, everything might be fine with no adjustments of any kind. We will, of course, not know the answers to any of these until the stock is released and/or folks have a chance to use it. The results of range/field testing will allow us to learn if what seems like a potential problem really is or if something unnoticed deserves tweaking. For myself, I look forward to some feedback before I spend, or recommend to others, $2-300 on a stock. |
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The cheek riser is placed exactly far back to allow the charging handle to function, no more, no less. The AR10 version is another 0.6 back from that.
While this placement is less than ideal for using iron sights it can be adjusted for with the revised placement of optics and night vision. As the system is modular we do have a version of the top section and cheek riser that extends forward another 2 inches forward, but these will only meant to be used on side charging handle AR versions such as the Oberland Arms .308 AR. |
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How the f#ck did fortier get one of these?!?!?!? (saw it in SGN this month)
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LMAO |
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I got one today. It's going onto A DMR today and will be at Modern Day Marine tommorow till Thursday.
-Thanks Doug! Simon |
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Any word yet on preorders? Thanks. The m95 will look real nice sitting beside the m93 in my collection.
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I have been lusting after this stock since I stumbled across it here and was filled with rage at the sight of it in SGN. and the SOB didnt even give it a line of text. I am pleased to hear that AR-10 owners are being thought of. I want one NOW!!!!!!!!
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I have been wanting a couple and now I am seeing them on rifles, humm.
So much for taking it down to Quantico and showing it off to a few hundred Marines. |
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<hint hint> |
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Have you been seeing them on rifles around here, or people you know outside Sure would be a lot of free advertising for Magpul if they sent you a sample.. or better yet went with you to the range to give a demo and then have a case of them in the car to sell. |
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No problem at all. |
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Have not seen one in person but in SGN and another a friend had a rag that had one on a very nice AR15 Varmint rifle. Showing it off & free advertising for Magpul ? Not a problem about doing that, the stock would look very nice on my SPR I built and it has no stock <hint>. Lets see a few places that it could be shown off, NRA headquarters range with hundreds of people every Sunday, Quantico is a popular place for shooters form what I hear. <Joking> Hite hollow range, sleepy creek range, and a few other places that has us EBR gun nuts. I would be more than happy to pimp it. Photos of the rifle for AR15.com would follow in the Magpul section as well. |
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The M95 didn't make Modern Day Marine? I won't see it till the State Department is done with the paperwork but I was told it was down there and much admired. Maybe I'm being lied to. Oh well....
Did anyone make the show? I'm on the other side of the planet. Simon |
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We Fed Exed a stock to one of the vendors to display at the show. They received it the day before the show so I am assuming it made it in time. Also the PRS and the M95 are two similar, but different projects. |
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Hmm.... Is that right? What differentiates them? |
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You seem awfully critical....but let's dismiss the overtones and talk about cheek placement. Since this stock seems to be designed for "precision" AR's, I'd venture a guess that many of the AR's this piece ends up on will be wearing variable power optics with eye relief in the 3.5-4" range. I'm interested in putting one on a lower that is mated to an upper wearing a Leupold 4.5-14x50 M1LR. The eye relief on that optic is 3.6" @ 14x & 4.5" @ 4.5x. If I mount the optic with the eyecup nearly flush with the back of the pic rail my cheek would have to fall somewhere around 4"-5" away to get a proper sight picture. I'm sure many are in the same boat. Since I don't use the LaRue SPR mount that takes the scope out further I think the stock will be ideal for my application. YMMV. |
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Watcher...
In response to your questioning the correctness of Magpul's own comments (Rich Fitzpatrick), regarding the M95 and the PRS being two different projects...take a closer look at the MSS handout/manual in conjunction with the posts on the PRS. The M95 is a part of the MSS (modular stock). It was designed to be used in conjunction with the M93, M94, etc. buffer tube. Slide off the M93 stock portion...slide on the M95 stock portion. Interchangeability of stocks for different mission requirements/roles. The PRS is a design losely based on the requirements of the M95 as a precision/designated marksman rifle, but is based not on the MSS platform, but a standard A2 buffer tube. Similar...but different. Trust in Magpul...these guys know what they are doing. Respectfully, ORD out... EDITED: for really bad speelling!! |
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Correctness? No. If anyone should be able to provide correct information, it should be the source. Rather, my confusion required clarification. I'm also not really certain how an interest in cautiously discerning details has been translated into any form of offensive against MagPul, but since the written medium also doesn't easily convey tone, I'm equally content to not be troubled about it.
As for documentation, the only material I've downloaded from MagPul seems to indicate (p. 1) that the precision stock does mount on the same tube, whether that information happens to still be accurate or not (stated copyright is 2000-2002). Likewise, MSS Handout 3 (same document), p. 6, calls the item I'm referring to "MSS M95 - Precision Shooting Stock", also showing a line drawing of the stock we've seen in the photos. The abbreviation "PRS" doesn't appear in this document. Thus, in reading the M95 and the PRS are different, but related products, I was left confused. Confusion is often resolved by questioning. The most succinct question seemed to be "how are they different"? With respect to the dated material currently in my possession, that question remains unanswered. I must have missed somewhere MagPul explained the difference, other than saying they were so. My statements to date largely revolve around an interest in the product. But, photos by themselves are insufficient for me to jump on the I've-got-to-get-me-one-of-those-NOW bandwagon. Rather, it may be just the bill for one of my current projects, but until more detailed information and feedback is available, I simply won't be able to make that determination. I'm ready to be a convert; I've ordered other MagPul parts for my current projects. I simply have to be converted. Here, in this hole in FL, there are no gun dealers which stock non-hunting gun parts. Noone carries lowers or will order/transfer them. You can buy whole rifles and customize them, of course, but on your own. Noone sells uppers or has staff on hand or parts to customize your's. Noone even has catalogs for custom parts and cannot answer your questions, other than by saying "you should look on the Internet". The shows I've attended are bereft of these parts. Only one table even sold stocks by themselves and those were fiberlite. My only access to these sort of parts, then, is online, without ever holding the product in my hands. As for putting my human eye on an actual part, there isn't a public range, here, either, to watch the performance of the build-outs of others. The company that attempted to open one was denied by the county commission and has since gone out of business. This only leaves me with the cautiously optimistic approach, tempered by a desire for all the data/info I can get before committing funds (in this case, a couple hundred dollars). Having been away from the industry for about a decade, there are few manufacturers I recognize and know the quality of. No doubt I'll become jubilant once I start having actual success in the acquisitions arena. At least, that's my hope. |
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Actually, I did miss it. The very first post of this thread includes a quote from MagPul saying this was a "spin-off" from the M95, based on a full-size AR tube. I'm assuming that quote comes from another thread with perhaps more info? I seem to rcall there being another thread but am new to this board and at that time hadn't figured out how to use the site features, yet.
I still haven't found the file in the HELP section that's supposed to explain the abbrevaittions and references to the "pluses" used, here. I take it the board went through some sort of upgrade before I joined and not everything is quite back/working just yet. |
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I did not take any offense to your comments watcher.
I have been pretty swamped here so haven't had time to answer you email concerning your other questions so I thought I would just post them here. QD attachments? The sling loops pictured are removable and could be replaced with a QD version. Knights QD adapter/extender? Yes this item and other stock extenders should work just fine so long as you use a washer to at the back with the stock screw. The PRS does not use the stock A1 screw. It did in the inital design, but those screw heads do not do well in anything other than metal. We are making our own bolts with the weep hole in them. How is the M95 different than the PRS? - ORD summed that up very well a few posts up. However the MSS system was built as an experiment to prove out a design idea where as the PRS is design for production from the get go. |
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Can we get a time from of when the M95 will be put into design? Not sure of others, but I know that I am a bit chapped that the PRS got put in front of the M95. Then whats even more depressing is the fact that with the MSRP of the PRS being around the 230$ range, what can we expect the M95 to be with the MSS buffer tube being tacked on to the cost? I dont mean to be cynical, just it seems the followers of the MSS have been left in the dark on this one. |
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The reason for the PRS was the Army's SASS program. We were approched by a manufacture to build the stock based upon the full sized tube which was proven to work with the .308 round better than the shorty carbine tubes. We had to have the PRS molds completed by the time the Army downselects the next round as this will require 30+ rifles. |
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stop teasing.... when are they for sale to us little people and how much?
1 in OD green please. |
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I'm a little confused here. Which do I need, the PRS or the M95? I have a 5.56 Colt A2 stock that I want to replace with this stock. But whch one?
Oh and, WHEN? WHEN? WHEN? WHEN? WHEN? WHEN? WHEN? WHEN? WHEN? WHEN? WHEN? WHEN? |
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Now I'm confused. Is there a PRS AND an M95 stock?
The one in the pictures on this thread is the PRS... what's the M95 then? |
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I think that the PRS stock is the version that fits over a M16A2 buffer tube. The M95 is supposed to be an adjustible stock that fits on the M93 buffer (the Magpul stock).
Jason |
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The base of the clubfoot has a rail that is covered by plate when not in use. YES!
SImon |
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Hey long-rifle...you miss Modern Day Marine? I am glad to report that my baby and the PRS made the show. I have it on good authority that it garnered much attention.
If you'd like a look, I'm sure we can arrange a private viewing up in MD where the gun is. Simon |
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Hey...I have an idea. Do you belong to the Quantico Shooting Club or whatever they call themseves? Paul always needs to shoot stuff... yeah I know....harsh.......and Q-Town is closer than the MD range.
Let me know and I'll arrange for you to get hands on with the DMR and the PRS. And a whole lot more..... Simon |
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Hey Brother,
Consider one more sold when they hit the open market...Any forcasted time frame for mass production? Respectfully, Harry |
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So here we are with yet another thread, another promise of 'next month' and no product.
I wonder if Magpul management were all trained at Sturm Ruger? |
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