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Posted: 1/21/2009 12:16:01 AM EDT
[#1]
im guessing its going to come to down to the ACR, SCAR or Colt.
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Posted: 1/21/2009 12:25:59 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By plaskon:
Call me a villainous pervert, but I'm curious to see a full-length A2 buttstock Photoshop'd onto an SPR ACR. Villainous pervert! No need to thank me. |
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Posted: 1/21/2009 12:50:00 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By joe-bananas:
Originally Posted By plaskon:
Call me a villainous pervert, but I'm curious to see a full-length A2 buttstock Photoshop'd onto an SPR ACR. Villainous pervert! No need to thank me. Hey Joe, Congrats on your prize you bastard! 
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Posted: 3/23/2009 10:39:15 AM EDT
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Bump so the great collection of pics does not slide into the abyss of the archive. Any chance of a getting a sticky tack?
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Posted: 3/25/2009 4:19:06 AM EDT
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FYI, got an order from LA Police Gear this week, they tossed in the Spring 09 Maxpedition catalog...on page 18, in the upper right corner, there is a pic of Drake with the Masada
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Posted: 4/24/2009 3:38:11 PM EDT
[#6]
Still do want!!!
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Posted: 4/24/2009 5:50:02 PM EDT
[#7]
I have like 15 Bushmaster ACR's right now playing Mafia Wars. HAHA
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NJ, USA
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Posted: 6/4/2009 4:02:15 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/6/2009 12:13:08 PM EDT
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Well, 2009 is half way over and so far this year we have an appeareance of an ACR briefly in a movie and a new marketing ad geared toward the Military.
The FNH SCAR took about five years to go through the initial trial and development process before we saw a civilian SCAR 16S. Now the SCAR was a U.S. SOCOM program rifle, which is smaller and more streamlined in their acquisition process. If the ACR is successful at initial trials and goes on for further development it will take years and years before the rifle will be held to be in completed final form and ready for the civilian market. The danger here for Remington and Magpul is that while the ACR is going through this exhuastive and lengthy government contract process someone else will come out with a rifle that matches or exceeds the ACR's capabilities and is available. Sort of like the HK416, which if it had come out to the civilian market when it was first produced would have been a very successful rifle in terms of sales, but now even if the MR223 comes out who cares? There are so many gas piston AR rifles out there now that are of high quality for less money that although the HK faithful would buy a MR223 I'm guessing many that also would have years ago will now opt for the more affordable options. |
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Posted: 6/6/2009 12:21:16 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Afterwork_Ninja]
[#10]
Originally Posted By SilentType:
Well, 2009 is half way over and so far this year we have an appeareance of an ACR briefly in a movie and a new marketing ad geared toward the Military.
The FNH SCAR took about five years to go through the initial trial and development process before we saw a civilian SCAR 16S. Now the SCAR was a U.S. SOCOM program rifle, which is smaller and more streamlined in their acquisition process. If the ACR is successful at initial trials and goes on for further development it will take years and years before the rifle will be held to be in completed final form and ready for the civilian market. The danger here for Remington and Magpul is that while the ACR is going through this exhuastive and lengthy government contract process someone else will come out with a rifle that matches or exceeds the ACR's capabilities and is available. Sort of like the HK416, which if it had come out to the civilian market when it was first produced would have been a very successful rifle in terms of sales, but now even if the MR223 comes out who cares? There are so many gas piston AR rifles out there now that are of high quality for less money that although the HK faithful would buy a MR223 I'm guessing many that also would have years ago will now opt for the more affordable options. I already bought an XCR-L for the role. It may not be as sexy as the Masada or as bombproof as a rifle that has gone through military testing, but it works good for my application. The only question I have now is can the Massoud beat the XCR-M to market. If the ACR makes it to the civilian market I would like to own one someday, but it will be a duplicate rifle for me (I am too poor to own many rifles in the same caliber with the same configuration). I am probably not the only one in this situation. I feel the manufacturers involved missed out on a huge market share. I am not in the business, but I would think if you could sell a bunch of civilian units you could afford to develop a 2nd generation gun for .mil tests. |
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Posted: 6/7/2009 12:07:12 AM EDT
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The XCR DOES have a lot to offer . . .
If I didn't know the Masada/ACR was on the horizon . . . |
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Posted: 6/7/2009 3:27:49 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By joe-bananas:
The XCR DOES have a lot to offer . . . If I didn't know the Masada/ACR was on the horizon . . . Well and who knows what might pop-up at SHOT 2010? The longer they let the ACR sit on the back burner the less "sexy" it's going to be as more modern rifle designs reach market. |
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NE, USA
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Posted: 6/7/2009 10:02:44 PM EDT
[#13]
Originally Posted By joe-bananas:
The XCR DOES have a lot to offer . . . If I didn't know the Masada/ACR was on the horizon . . . I've had an XCR for a couple years now and love it (even more with a tax stamp!). Objectively, it does everything an ACR does, just like most modern rifles, just in a different way. It may have had some initial growing pains, Robinson is a smaller company, but their customer service is great and the owner himself will even take time to BS with a customer. They're working to get some neat stuff added to the line-up too. That said, the Masada peaked my interest first when I started looking at upgrading from the ol' AR platform. I might still have some room left in the safe for an ACR but my XCR has now become my go-to shooter so we'll see what shakes loose. |
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ME, USA
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Posted: 6/23/2009 10:23:13 PM EDT
[#14]
The .308 Masada appears to have less recoil than the SCAR-H. I saw a SCAR-H rock a big guy around pretty good, just for that reason I would prefer the Masada. These "new generation" rifles are really an adaptation of the M16 platform as far as I can see. The lower is a M16 rip-off made from polymer, the fire control is a take-out unit, the bolt is the same with a different carrier, the barrel is essentially the same albeit modular, the operating system is nearly identical to the M16 piston converstion, but the upper is an aluminum frame with a polymer shell. You have to build it modular if you use polymer, otherwise you have a disposable rifle. I'm not seeing a whole lot of independent engineering going on here, but hey it's the next step, and I would love a .308 platform. I just saw the SCAR-L going for $5999.99 for a semi-auto ouch!
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KY, USA
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Posted: 6/24/2009 12:57:00 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By plaskon:
http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/8083/09rem5156acradprintreadl.jpg Courtesy JBowles http://www.imfdb.org/images/thumb/4/4a/TS-Trio.jpg/500px-TS-Trio.jpg http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Terminator_Salvation I hope that even though that magazine spot doesn't mention the ability to make it a 7.62x39 or 5.45x39, that they didn't drop that capability.....otherwise the ACR just became the Remington SCAR 
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Posted: 6/24/2009 1:37:32 PM EDT
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I shot an ACR today!
I think this system is great... I really hope it comes to market soon. Mike Mers |
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Posted: 6/24/2009 2:11:05 PM EDT
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F'n Mers....
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Posted: 6/24/2009 2:12:00 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By 1_AR_NEWBIE:
I shot an ACR today! I think this system is great... I really hope it comes to market soon. Mike Mers 
J/K, but you know the rules. Bring on the pics! |
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Posted: 6/24/2009 3:15:08 PM EDT
[#19]
Originally Posted By Afterwork_Ninja:
Originally Posted By 1_AR_NEWBIE:
I shot an ACR today! I think this system is great... I really hope it comes to market soon. Mike Mers
J/K, but you know the rules. Bring on the pics! Pics soon... Promise |
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Posted: 7/12/2009 12:05:17 PM EDT
[#20]
The ACR project continues to move forward. Between Bushmaster, Remington and Magpul, we are all happy with the progress we have made. The ACR continues to be a front burner project.
As a side note I need to clarify a few things. I've read a lot of comments that say guys like the Masada better than the ACR and that BM and Rem have changed the design too much. To be honest the ACR and the Masada are very similiar with minimal differences and any changes made have inhanced the overall rifle. We (Magpul) have worked hand in hand with both BM and Rem as the ACR has continued to elvolved. Oh, and for the haters that whine vaporware, flame on. Take into consideration the duration of development time other small arms have endured. In some recent cases over 8 years. If the ACR was ready to move forward with now Rem/BM would. It is not in any of our best interests to push a product that will not satisfy the end user right? When the ACR's ready to rock the masses will have them in their hands. Just know that all hands are on deck. Pics! 
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Posted: 7/12/2009 12:13:18 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Afterwork_Ninja]
[#21]
Thanks for the update and the pics.
Are you willing to tell us if there is side by side development of the Massoud? Tell me what you think of that Elcan Specter DR. I started a thread in the Magpul forum asking you about the optic. |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 7/12/2009 5:57:07 PM EDT
[#22]
Originally Posted By DrDrake:
The ACR project continues to move forward. Between Bushmaster, Remington and Magpul, we are all happy with the progress we have made. The ACR continues to be a front burner project. As a side note I need to clarify a few things. I've read a lot of comments that say guys like the Masada better than the ACR and that BM and Rem have changed the design too much. To be honest the ACR and the Masada are very similiar with minimal differences and any changes made have inhanced the overall rifle. We (Magpul) have worked hand in hand with both BM and Rem as the ACR has continued to elvolved. Oh, and for the haters that whine vaporware, flame on. Take into consideration the duration of development time other small arms have endured. In some recent cases over 8 years. If the ACR was ready to move forward with now Rem/BM would. It is not in any of our best interests to push a product that will not satisfy the end user right? When the ACR's ready to rock the masses will have them in their hands. Just know that all hands are on deck. Pics! http://www.magpul.com/pics/ACR1b.jpg http://www.magpul.com/pics/ACR2b.jpg http://www.magpul.com/pics/ACR3b.jpg Awesome Pics Drake!! Cant wait to get one in black. F$@k the haters..Rome wasent built in a day. |
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Posted: 7/12/2009 6:03:26 PM EDT
[#23]
Originally Posted By KILO1-1: Awesome Pics Drake!! Cant wait to get one in black. F$@k the haters..Rome wasn't built in a day. +1 I'm eagerly awaiting for some pics in black. |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 7/12/2009 6:08:38 PM EDT
[#24]
Originally Posted By hobbez84:
Originally Posted By KILO1-1:
Awesome Pics Drake!! Cant wait to get one in black. F$@k the haters..Rome wasn't built in a day. +1 I'm eagerly awaiting for some pics in black. yeah man, me too!!. I've been waiting for some pics of the ACR in black. |
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Posted: 7/12/2009 6:14:08 PM EDT
[#25]
May have already been asked but will there be any factory SBR's?
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NV, USA
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Posted: 7/12/2009 6:58:41 PM EDT
[#26]
I'm getting more and more anxious every time i see pics of it, nice job
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NC, USA
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Posted: 7/12/2009 11:05:44 PM EDT
[#27]
Update was very much appreciated. Keep plowing forward. Can't wait!!!
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TN, USA
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Posted: 7/17/2009 12:22:34 AM EDT
[#28]
I have little doubt that this thing will make it onto the civilian market in some capacity, but I just wonder how much it is going to cost!
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PA, USA
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Posted: 7/20/2009 8:53:07 PM EDT
[#29]
Remington has updated their ACR page.
http://www.remingtonmilitary.com/acr.htm can anyone post the pics? |
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Posted: 7/21/2009 12:58:01 AM EDT
[#30]
Originally Posted By KILO1-1:
Remington has updated their ACR page. http://www.remingtonmilitary.com/acr.htm can anyone post the pics? The crummy part is they did not keep the integral front sight....  so the polymer guards will not cover the midlength gas system while still having the carbine flip up sight.
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Posted: 7/21/2009 7:59:02 AM EDT
[#31]
They can make different length rails( rail system that continues the top rail), and composite hand guards of different lengths. And if they don't the market will fill that demand.
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NV, USA
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Posted: 7/21/2009 2:50:14 PM EDT
[#32]
Luckily Magpul said they're working on a longer railed handguard. but I'm glad that they finally put it on the website.
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USA
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Posted: 7/21/2009 7:35:48 PM EDT
[#33]
I liked the original polymer forearm better also.
Still want one. Patience, patience. |
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Posted: 7/21/2009 10:53:46 PM EDT
[#34]
Originally Posted By 80sgyrene:
I liked the original polymer forearm better also. Still want one. Patience, patience. Same on this. |
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Posted: 7/21/2009 11:04:08 PM EDT
[#35]
Originally Posted By joe-bananas:
Originally Posted By 80sgyrene:
I liked the original polymer forearm better also. Still want one. Patience, patience. Same on this. +2 it is conspicuously absent on the Remington page. Perhaps a Bushmaster version option? |
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Posted: 7/22/2009 2:02:41 AM EDT
[#36]
Originally Posted By danpass:
Originally Posted By joe-bananas:
Originally Posted By 80sgyrene:
I liked the original polymer forearm better also. Still want one. Patience, patience. Same on this. +2 it is conspicuously absent on the Remington page. Perhaps a Bushmaster version option? Probably, as Bushy will cover commercial sales... But now I will want to get on ACR with the Carbine length Top rail forend, and one with the midlength if they make two versions.... oh wait.,. NOW I see what they did there... ... make us buy both....
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PA, USA
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Posted: 7/30/2009 2:14:50 PM EDT
[#37]
Originally Posted By DrDrake:
The ACR project continues to move forward. Between Bushmaster, Remington and Magpul, we are all happy with the progress we have made. The ACR continues to be a front burner project. As a side note I need to clarify a few things. I've read a lot of comments that say guys like the Masada better than the ACR and that BM and Rem have changed the design too much. To be honest the ACR and the Masada are very similiar with minimal differences and any changes made have inhanced the overall rifle. We (Magpul) have worked hand in hand with both BM and Rem as the ACR has continued to elvolved. Oh, and for the haters that whine vaporware, flame on. Take into consideration the duration of development time other small arms have endured. In some recent cases over 8 years. If the ACR was ready to move forward with now Rem/BM would. It is not in any of our best interests to push a product that will not satisfy the end user right? When the ACR's ready to rock the masses will have them in their hands. Just know that all hands are on deck. Pics! http://www.magpul.com/pics/ACR1b.jpg http://www.magpul.com/pics/ACR2b.jpg http://www.magpul.com/pics/ACR3b.jpg is that a shotty upper ready for conversion on that dudes hip? that would be awesome. I am actually more excited about the ACR now that I have heard a little of what is going on. That would be really cool if you guys could get a government contract and supply the military for the next 30-40 years. If that's the case, please take your time. It will ensure a magpul legacy for many years to come. And of course, more cool magpul products. |
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Posted: 7/30/2009 3:28:19 PM EDT
[#38]
Originally Posted By rav3nwulfe:
is that a shotty upper ready for conversion on that dudes hip? that would be awesome. No, that's a s-h-o-t-g-u-n. |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 7/30/2009 5:22:33 PM EDT
[#39]
Originally Posted By joe-bananas:
Originally Posted By rav3nwulfe:
is that a shotty upper ready for conversion on that dudes hip? that would be awesome. No, that's a s-h-o-t-g-u-n. ah man! that would be cool. guess it's better just to have a full shotgun, haha. |
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NY, USA
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Posted: 7/30/2009 10:33:58 PM EDT
[#40]
What do you mean by a "shotty upper", exactly?
Like a shotgun that can act as an upper receiver on a 5.56 rifle? |
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Posted: 7/30/2009 10:46:50 PM EDT
[#41]
Originally Posted By timpryor:
May have already been asked but will there be any factory SBR's? Do Bushmaster or Remington offer factory SBR's? |
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Posted: 8/2/2009 8:27:19 PM EDT
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I'm not getting rid of my LMT m4 just yet for this....
Maybe once they are out a few years and have some heavy use I'll pick one up. I'm waiting for it though... |
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Posted: 8/13/2009 11:51:07 AM EDT
[#43]
Originally Posted By 1_AR_NEWBIE:
Originally Posted By Afterwork_Ninja:
Originally Posted By 1_AR_NEWBIE:
I shot an ACR today! I think this system is great... I really hope it comes to market soon. Mike Mers
J/K, but you know the rules. Bring on the pics! Pics soon... Promise ACR |
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Posted: 8/13/2009 12:20:00 PM EDT
[#44]
I wonder if the Remington ACR will be available in factory SBR form from regular Remington LE dealers???
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Posted: 8/13/2009 12:30:26 PM EDT
[#45]
Originally Posted By BlackDog714:
I wonder if the Remington ACR will be available in factory SBR form from regular Remington LE dealers??? I think the Remington ACR is for LE and Gov. sales and the bushmaster ACR for the public... I think
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OR, USA
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Posted: 8/13/2009 1:08:09 PM EDT
[#46]
Goddamn, Mike. Your 'cool guy' points just went off the chart.
Well done, sir! |
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Posted: 8/14/2009 5:20:29 PM EDT
[#47]
Nice.
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USA
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Posted: 8/17/2009 2:58:24 AM EDT
[#48]
Originally Posted By 1_AR_NEWBIE:
Originally Posted By BlackDog714:
I wonder if the Remington ACR will be available in factory SBR form from regular Remington LE dealers??? I think the Remington ACR is for LE and Gov. sales and the bushmaster ACR for the public... I think
Even if the Remington version is suppose to be for LE & Military, wouldn't they still be able to make their way to Civies? What would stop any LE Dealer from selling them to the Civi market short of them being Full-Auto only? |
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NV, USA
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Posted: 8/17/2009 10:21:20 AM EDT
[Last Edit: kodiak0202]
[#49]
Originally Posted By Xskier45:
Originally Posted By 1_AR_NEWBIE:
Originally Posted By BlackDog714:
I wonder if the Remington ACR will be available in factory SBR form from regular Remington LE dealers??? I think the Remington ACR is for LE and Gov. sales and the bushmaster ACR for the public... I think
Even if the Remington version is suppose to be for LE & Military, wouldn't they still be able to make their way to Civies? What would stop any LE Dealer from selling them to the Civi market short of them being Full-Auto only?  that's true isn't it( considering the LE version isn't F/A), i mean isn't the Colt 6920( is that right?) LE? and that's sold to civis.
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Posted: 8/17/2009 6:55:51 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1_AR_NEWBIE]
[#50]
Originally Posted By kodiak0202:
Originally Posted By Xskier45:
Originally Posted By 1_AR_NEWBIE:
Originally Posted By BlackDog714:
I wonder if the Remington ACR will be available in factory SBR form from regular Remington LE dealers??? I think the Remington ACR is for LE and Gov. sales and the bushmaster ACR for the public... I think
Even if the Remington version is suppose to be for LE & Military, wouldn't they still be able to make their way to Civies? What would stop any LE Dealer from selling them to the Civi market short of them being Full-Auto only? that's true isn't it( considering the LE version isn't F/A), i mean isn't the Colt 6920( is that right?) LE? and that's sold to civis. Your guess is as good as mine at this point.
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