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Posted: 8/4/2018 7:55:59 AM EDT
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The rifle is a .223 1-8" twist Kreiger barrel compass lake free float tube built by USAMU Nightforce SR-2 scope Geissele base and trigger. https://www.facebook.com/USAMU1956/posts/10156834221139734?comment_id=10156837954844734&reply_comment_id=10156846615504734if_id=1533325032981205if_t=feed_comment_reply |
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Nice shooting
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Well done, very impressive!
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@sagmill
care to share with the class which Geissele mount and trigger was used? |
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I understand the trigger is HIGH SPEED NATIONAL MATCH.
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The AMU uses our Hi Speed exclusively and has been doing so for about a decade.
The mount was one of the first Super Precision NM ones off the mills. We didn't even anodize it but sent it down for approval right away. I guess SFC Green never took it off!!!!! WHG |
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Originally Posted By sagmill:
The AMU uses our Hi Speed exclusively and has been doing so for about a decade. The mount was one of the first Super Precision NM ones off the mills. We didn't even anodize it but sent it down for approval right away. I guess SFC Green never took it off!!!!! WHG View Quote S/F |
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Thread was about what Top 100 users used ...
Answer = free stuff . |
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Originally Posted By LaRue_Tactical:
Thread was about what Top 100 users used ... Answer = free stuff . View Quote This is a tech thread so staying in your lane and not cross firing would be the idea. @winddummy82 Any idea of what the load was for the rifle? |
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Originally Posted By 21BoomCBTENGR:
Any idea of what the load was for the rifle? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes 200SF, 300RF ammo for them is Atlanta Arms 77gr SMKs. Most other service teams are using Black Hills Mk262 Mod 1.
600SF AMU ammo is a LC case, about 0.025" neck tension, 24.2-3 gr. H4895, Berger 75gr VLD, I forgot the primer but Fed 210Ms or Fed AR, jumping 0.035" in a USAMU chamber (extremely long throated chamber, well past a Wylde - actually not idea) unless they happened to use a different reamer post Gene Clark's retirement. |
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I shot next to SFC Green during the NTI. It was impressive to watch on what was a perfect day. I was also impressed as he helped new shooters while shooting impressive scores.
A good man and gracious shooter for sure. |
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Originally Posted By HighpowerRifleBrony:
According to GS5414, View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By HighpowerRifleBrony:
Originally Posted By 21BoomCBTENGR:
Any idea of what the load was for the rifle? 200SF, 300RF ammo for them is Atlanta Arms 77gr SMKs. Most other service teams are using Black Hills Mk262 Mod 1.
600SF AMU ammo is a LC case, about 0.025" neck tension, 24.2-3 gr. H4895, Berger 75gr VLD, I forgot the primer but Fed 210Ms or Fed AR, jumping 0.035" in a USAMU chamber (extremely long throated chamber, well past a Wylde - actually not idea) unless they happened to use a different reamer post Gene Clark's retirement. Also, here’s the final shot of the match, right in the ten-ring! Attached File |
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Originally Posted By 21BoomCBTENGR:
Awesome, I knew they used Atlanta for practice but wasn't sure what their match stuff was. I wonder if they've tried the TMKs in testing... Also, here's the final shot of the match, right in the ten-ring! https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/92630/8C4D1AC6-C64F-4270-97D3-A4CEEFA0B289-645345.JPG View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By 21BoomCBTENGR:
Originally Posted By HighpowerRifleBrony:
Originally Posted By 21BoomCBTENGR:
Any idea of what the load was for the rifle? 200SF, 300RF ammo for them is Atlanta Arms 77gr SMKs. Most other service teams are using Black Hills Mk262 Mod 1.
600SF AMU ammo is a LC case, about 0.025" neck tension, 24.2-3 gr. H4895, Berger 75gr VLD, I forgot the primer but Fed 210Ms or Fed AR, jumping 0.035" in a USAMU chamber (extremely long throated chamber, well past a Wylde - actually not idea) unless they happened to use a different reamer post Gene Clark's retirement. Also, here's the final shot of the match, right in the ten-ring! https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/92630/8C4D1AC6-C64F-4270-97D3-A4CEEFA0B289-645345.JPG |
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Originally Posted By 21BoomCBTENGR:
Awesome, I knew they used Atlanta for practice but wasn’t sure what their match stuff was. I wonder if they’ve tried the TMKs in testing... View Quote But first step is to uniform the guns. S/F |
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Originally Posted By LaRue_Tactical:
Thread was about what Top 100 users used ... Answer = free stuff . View Quote *Kreiger *Compass Lake *Nightforce *Geissele after you get done calling the vendors you owe the USAMU a apology for accusing them of being a deadbeat customer! rant off/ |
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Originally Posted By 21BoomCBTENGR:
It's about the WINNER of Presidents 100 and his equipment, not about the 100 people who placed. This is a tech thread so staying in your lane and not cross firing would be the idea. @winddummy82 Any idea of what the load was for the rifle? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By 21BoomCBTENGR:
Originally Posted By LaRue_Tactical:
Thread was about what Top 100 users used ... Answer = free stuff . This is a tech thread so staying in your lane and not cross firing would be the idea. @winddummy82 Any idea of what the load was for the rifle? @21BoomCBTENGR |
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It'd be an experience to shoot in the "Hundred".
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1 MOA all day member.
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Originally Posted By GS5414:
Not the AMU - just Atlanta. I do have a few military team guys experimenting with them now. 69gr. TMKs first, then 77gr. TMKs. But first step is to uniform the guns. S/F View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By GS5414:
Originally Posted By 21BoomCBTENGR:
Awesome, I knew they used Atlanta for practice but wasn’t sure what their match stuff was. I wonder if they’ve tried the TMKs in testing... But first step is to uniform the guns. S/F Can you give any details on what “uniform the guns” means? Love to hear any tricks that were done to them that us mortals can do to help us pretend we’re capable of that level of shooting. |
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Originally Posted By Lomshek: @GS5414 Can you give any details on what “uniform the guns” means? Love to hear any tricks that were done to them that us mortals can do to help us pretend we’re capable of that level of shooting. View Quote Uniforming guns means to, in the context of unit weapons issue, to mirror the configurations, dimensions, and build procedures from gun to gun. This makes it easier to repair and upgrade guns, maintain them due to similar torque specs, and especially handload for multiple guns. Imagine if you had a team with 50 NM rifles, but each of them had different chambers and throats. It is not fun for a precision ammunition loader to have to test each one individually and load to each one in big numbers like that. All it takes is to have similar chambers and throats (and the rest of the gun, for that matter), and one universal load that works really well can be had. One guy forgets to bring his ammunition to the line? No problem. An assistant or head coach can grab extra assigned ammunition from any nearby team shooter and distribute it to the forgetful fella. No worries of compatibility. As far as rifles go, there really are no super special tricks - just good components, put together right. Anyone can get an upper from Compass Lake (my preference, with some personalized tweaks) or WOA and be competitive at top levels. There's guidance on trigger weight and behaviors, balancing, testing, training, mental management, wind reading, data extrapolation, etc. that I could give but it would take me too long to say here. It literally would take writing a book to tell y'all everything, or running an in-person class. The key is discipline. How badly do you want to win, and what are you willing to sacrifice to get here? It doesn't take a lot of rounds, but it takes a lot of discipline and an unwillingness to cut even the smallest corner. S/F |
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Originally Posted By GS5414: Ah, what the hell... I was kind of done posting here because some of the idiots were becoming stifling but I'll help y'all out here. Uniforming guns means to, in the context of unit weapons issue, to mirror the configurations, dimensions, and build procedures from gun to gun. This makes it easier to repair and upgrade guns, maintain them due to similar torque specs, and especially handload for multiple guns. Imagine if you had a team with 50 NM rifles, but each of them had different chambers and throats. It is not fun for a precision ammunition loader to have to test each one individually and load to each one in big numbers like that. All it takes is to have similar chambers and throats (and the rest of the gun, for that matter), and one universal load that works really well can be had. One guy forgets to bring his ammunition to the line? No problem. An assistant or head coach can grab extra assigned ammunition from any nearby team shooter and distribute it to the forgetful fella. No worries of compatibility. As far as rifles go, there really are no super special tricks - just good components, put together right. Anyone can get an upper from Compass Lake (my preference, with some personalized tweaks) or WOA and be competitive at top levels. There's guidance on trigger weight and behaviors, balancing, testing, training, mental management, wind reading, data extrapolation, etc. that I could give but it would take me too long to say here. It literally would take writing a book to tell y'all everything, or running an in-person class. The key is discipline. How badly do you want to win, and what are you willing to sacrifice to get here? It doesn't take a lot of rounds, but it takes a lot of discipline and an unwillingness to cut even the smallest corner. S/F View Quote Please don't let the dumbasses run you off. I'm in no danger of beating SFC Green's record but appreciate the technical info you've shared and the why and how of getting better stuff in service member's hands. I think there are far more folks who take your info to heart than there are shit stirrers who like throwing rocks to hear glass break. Thanks again. |
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Originally Posted By Lomshek:
No idea if that's ever a possibility but I'd bet you sell out. View Quote I do have a training company but I haven't yet taken it on the road yet or really advertised. It was meant for MIL/LE dudes at first, but I'm thinking of opening it up to some one or two day rifle/pistol courses. No cookie cutter stuff, no mindless mag dumping, and no tactics. Could do NRA/CMP stuff as well, but I haven't put any thought to that as of late. If you got ideas or suggestions, I'm all ears as to what people want (rather what they think they want. I'll give em' what they need ). I did have a thought - what's your NM rifle configuration and ammo type/s? I can diagnose some of that stuff here and now pretty quickly. S/F |
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Originally Posted By GS5414: Glad it helped. I do have a training company but I haven't yet taken it on the road yet or really advertised. It was meant for MIL/LE dudes at first, but I'm thinking of opening it up to some one or two day rifle/pistol courses. No cookie cutter stuff, no mindless mag dumping, and no tactics. Could do NRA/CMP stuff as well, but I haven't put any thought to that as of late. If you got ideas or suggestions, I'm all ears as to what people want (rather what they think they want. I'll give em' what they need ). I did have a thought - what's your NM rifle configuration and ammo type/s? I can diagnose some of that stuff here and now pretty quickly. S/F View Quote I'm an Appleseed shoot boss & state director and USPSA match director. With all that plus kids I haven't had enough time to do more than learn and try to improve on my own as I push my instructors to learn better ways of shooting so we're not just teaching the best of 1950's marksmanship techniques. Figure if we're going to spend a weekend teaching people to shoot rifles accurately we might as well do all we can to improve the course of instruction so we're not teaching functional but outdated concepts. I'm hanging up my USPSA MD hat this year after almost 10 years and my 17 year old is finishing up his Eagle Scout project & graduating high school so I should have a little more time next year. Hopefully that will let me do a few HP matches. Biggest headache otherwise is the closest one is 2 1/2 hours away. The rifle I'll be using for comps at first is just a Daniel Defense M4LW with a 1-4 Burris MTAC (not the best for dialing). I do OK prone but my offhand game isn't much. I shot these groups prone and slung up at 685 yards on a buddy's property with the wind at my back using 80gr SMK's in my DDM4. I called the "flyer" as a jerked shot but only called it left not left and high. Attached File As far as a class I would imagine teaching people how to deliver quick accurate fire at 600 yards and closer (maybe 800 if you think that's possible in a two day class) would be a nice hook for the average skilled enthusiast rifle shooter. I don't know if you'd call it a DRM class or what but it would draw more in than just a CMP/NRA class maybe although I'd take that too. I'm looking to host a full distance Appleseed (100 to 500 yards) in 2019 to get more of my cadre and better students some experience. Because of Appleseed's instructor certification I need to take the class before I can teach it too so will be bringing in some of the better national instructors to teach it. That would get folks up to a level that you wouldn't be wasting your time teaching folks how to shoot a group and they'd have some grasp of drop and wind before taking yours. If you're anywhere in the midwest or willing to travel to Kansas I'd be happy to coordinate something in the future. |
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That's good shooting with a .223.
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Originally Posted By _ERIK_:
I was also impressed as he helped new shooters while shooting impressive scores. A good man and gracious shooter for sure. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By Hawkeye29: It'd be an experience to shoot in the "Hundred". View Quote @Hawkeye29 it sure would! https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/could-you-put-6-shots-in-the-10-RING-and-4-shots-in-the-X-RING-from-600yds-away-/5-2139480/ |
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Originally Posted By Lomshek:
No idea if that's ever a possibility but I'd bet you sell out. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Lomshek:
Originally Posted By GS5414:
...or running an in-person class. S/F heels on the ground sling placement finger placement on the trigger buttstock in the pocket nose to charging handle etc etc |
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Originally Posted By GS5414: Glad it helped. I do have a training company but I haven't yet taken it on the road yet or really advertised. It was meant for MIL/LE dudes at first, but I'm thinking of opening it up to some one or two day rifle/pistol courses. No cookie cutter stuff, no mindless mag dumping, and no tactics. Could do NRA/CMP stuff as well, but I haven't put any thought to that as of late. If you got ideas or suggestions, I'm all ears as to what people want (rather what they think they want. I'll give em' what they need ). I did have a thought - what's your NM rifle configuration and ammo type/s? I can diagnose some of that stuff here and now pretty quickly. S/F View Quote Get that class on the road.... I'll be there.... |
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Brandon Green is and has been one of the most consistent and best service rifle shooters in history. He shoots bolt guns just as well.
If memory serves me right the President's 100 award is given to the top ten percent shooting in that tournament. It's rarely exactly the top 100, you would have to have exactly 1000 competitors. Mark Larue should contact the USAMU with a great deal on 100 of his barrels for testing and competition use. Maybe he will end up being mentioned in the winner's circle. |
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Originally Posted By borderpatrol: If memory serves me right the President's 100 award is given to the top ten percent shooting in that tournament. It's rarely exactly the top 100, you would have to have exactly 1000 competitors. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By winddummy82: larue have you lost your cotton pickin mind? im positive SFC Green's rifle wasn't free! im positive the USAMU has big budget to sustain the unit. im positive the USAMU bought and paid for in full the equipment SFC Green used to clean the trial! the army is well known for paying the bills. don't begrudge the unit because they can afford to buy and use the best shooting gear on the face of the planet. furthermore that rifle and kit was ISSUED to SFC Green to use. sorry if you don't understand this concept! if you don't believe me contact the USAMU yourself and ask the officer in charge how this works. while your at it call the following to see if they get paid for selling the USAMU top shelf equipment! *Kreiger *Compass Lake *Nightforce *Geissele after you get done calling the vendors you owe the USAMU a apology for accusing them of being a deadbeat customer! https://www.ar15.com/images/smilies/anim_soapbox.gif rant off/ View Quote Free to the end user. Service rifle competitors don't pay for anything. In fact, they are paid to compete. |
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