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Posted: 2/17/2023 6:34:06 PM EDT
Let me start this off by saying I have never received proper training. I watched hundreds of videos, bought my guns, and over all am decent with a rifle but absolutely horrible with a handgun. I was shooting a Glock 19 and I am pretty good with it, but I started using a p320 for work reasons and I absolutely suck with it. I know I flinch with it, and while I can hit the paper from 5, 7, 10, and 15 yards I don't hit what I'm aiming at. Most of my shots are just low. Low left, middle, and right so just generally low. I went out of my way to aim high right and hit the bullseye and the circle around it.
What the fuck am I doing wrong other than flinching, how do I fix my issues including the flinch, what drills and videos do you recommend I try? I dont want to just go shooting mag after mag because I assume that's not gonna fix these issues. Hell maybe it would for all I know idk. I have my own private outdoor range that goes out to 100 yds at the moment so I'm not really limited in when I can shoot or what I can do. Please help me. |
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Buy a Mantis. Pretty sure those dry fire aids tell you what you're doing.
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Originally Posted By -Obsessed-: Buy a Mantis. Pretty sure those dry fire aids tell you what you're doing. View Quote This is good, but even w/o Mantis, a lot of dry firing will generally fix it. You can see the results instantly of what you are doing wrong. Even many very experienced shooters dry fire regularly. Top competitors make that a significant part of their training. |
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If you're consistently low, without even realizing it, you might be looking for your hits on the target instead of performing a proper follow through. What that means is that once the shot breaks, you're unwittingly looking over the sights at the target and in so doing, the muzzle is being lowered ever so slightly to provide your eyes with a clear line of sight to the target.
This is one of the more subtle and nuanced errors that shooters commit. Because humans are visually oriented animals, we're very intent on visual feedback in most everything we do. The mechanics of what may be happening is that BEFORE the bullet exits the muzzle you are depressing the muzzle thus canceling the sight alignment you had a microsecond AFTER you pressed the trigger. It seems ludicrous that a shooter can depress the muzzle to look at their hits on target before a 9mm with a muzzle velocity in the neighborhood of 1100fps exits the barrel but it happens. I agree with others that dry firing will help with flinching and as you already recognize you have that particular problem. However, proper follow through will eliminate the "looking over the sights at the target for my hits" problem. Proper follow through is that once the shot breaks, IGNORE the urge to look at the target. Focus on reacquiring the front sight, reset the trigger, and reacquire a sight picture in preparation for the need of a possible follow up shot. HTH |
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Best Regards,
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Check out places nearby that do handgun classes. I would imagine you can find something decent between 100 to 300 bucks. My organization qualifies us with Glocks, but provides pretty much zero instruction. Spend a few bucks on yourself and find an instructor that can diagnose and provide insight, it's well worth it.
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Take a class. Your in Texas, plenty of opportunity out there.
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Some things that will help with flinching:
#1 Use double ear protection (Ear muffs and Ear plugs) #2 Wear a hat with a brim (ie baseball hat). Trust me on this one. It reduces the overpressure on your eyes. There is a reason why guys like this wear ball caps: Fastest shooter EVER, Jerry Miculek- World record 8 shots in 1 second & 12 shot reload! HD #3 Run the 5+1 drill. Next time you are out on the range do 5 dryfires, load up 1, shoot, and repeat the process. You probably want to do this every time you go to the range at least 5 times. It's ok to do this for a whole box of 50 rounds. That's 6 trigger pulls for every 1 round of ammo spent. #4. Next time you are shooting and find yourself getting into that habit of flinching again, immediately stop live fire and perform 30 dryfires before you resume live fire. The art of the handgun is to train yourself not to flinch. |
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Could be you're focusing on the flinch, so you flinch.
Focus on your sights, the task on hand, and your trigger press. Feel every millimeter of that trigger move. See the brass ejecting. |
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What part of Texas are you in?
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I am seeing no bad advise here .
I might suggest a 22lr gun (Ruger mark or Browing buckmark) . I have never seen a guy good with a 22 pistol who couldn't shoot other pistols pretty decent . Set yourself up so the target is at a distance where you can see each hit . Blasting a couple dozen shots at a target and then looking doesn't help much , Seeing each shot land lets you connect what you did with what you are getting for results. In other words what a good shot feels like. The 22 lets you concentrate on the fundamentals without a lot of cost ,noise or recoil and the good skills you teach yourself will carry over to more serious guns |
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Find a local pistol instructor with good reviews and take a class or two.
Also, G19s and P320s have different points of impact. Glocks have the round impact on top of the front sight (lollipop or 6 o'clock hold) while the P320 impacts on the dot in the front sight (center hold or "combat sighting"). Most people who go from Glocks to Sigs shoot low. I'm probably a ways away from you, but shoot me an IM if I can help. |
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Ecclesiastes 12:13
New International Version 13 Now all has been heard; here is the conclusion of the matter: Fear God and keep his commandments, for this is the duty of all mankind. |
Try Strikeman laser training system. You can dial in your grip and trigger pull.
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SHOOT THE GLASS !!!!!
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SHOOT THE GLASS !!!!!
I love my little pro gun Viking wife. World's bluest eyes. She's bad to the bone. Phrasing |
Originally Posted By nhsport: I am seeing no bad advise here . I might suggest a 22lr gun (Ruger mark or Browing buckmark) . I have never seen a guy good with a 22 pistol who couldn't shoot other pistols pretty decent . Set yourself up so the target is at a distance where you can see each hit . Blasting a couple dozen shots at a target and then looking doesn't help much , Seeing each shot land lets you connect what you did with what you are getting for results. In other words what a good shot feels like. The 22 lets you concentrate on the fundamentals without a lot of cost ,noise or recoil and the good skills you teach yourself will carry over to more serious guns View Quote Strongly Agree. NRA uses 4 inch circles at 10ft for beginner pistol, typically with .22cal. It's a tried and true formula. If available, .22 on reactive steel is fantastic for rapid feedback. |
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Originally Posted By nhsport: Blasting a couple dozen shots at a target and then looking doesn't help much , Seeing each shot land lets you connect what you did with what you are getting for results. In other words what a good shot feels like. View Quote The bigger gain with this is being able to call shots. Analyzing how you did when firing your shot and predicting where it landed, before you see it. |
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