Philippine Elisco "Baby Armalite" M-16 Rifle

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Posted: 11/4/2018 7:53:31 PM EDT

Hello everyone,

I just wanted to share some photos of the Philippine Elisco "Baby Armalite" M-16 Rifle. This is the shorter version of the standard M-16 rifle. I'm assuming an M-4?
I hope you all enjoy the photos!

Posted: 11/4/2018 8:03:07 PM EDT

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Receivers look undercoated.
No FH washer?

Where can I get one?

Posted: 11/4/2018 8:03:49 PM EDT

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Is that a Diamaco stamp on the bolt carrier? Interesting that it doesn't have M4 feedramps too, but depending on when it was made that would be correct. Also it looks like its wet. Is that the finish or is it oiled up for the photos?

Posted: 11/4/2018 8:16:33 PM EDT

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Neat rarity.

Posted: 11/4/2018 8:19:06 PM EDT

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Receivers look undercoated.
No FH washer?

Where can I get one?

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Receivers look undercoated.
No FH washer?

Where can I get one?

Yeah, I'm guessing the receiver was refinished. However, I have seen some new rifles with this finish. No crush washer...I noticed that too. Would that have any adverse effect?

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Is that a Diamaco stamp on the bolt carrier? Interesting that it doesn't have M4 feedramps too, but depending on when it was made that would be correct. Also it looks like its wet. Is that the finish or is it oiled up for the photos?

Sorry, I am ignorant when it comes to the AR-15/M-16 details. The previous owner stated it was produced in the '80s.
Yes, the rifle is oiled up. It needed deep cleaning and some surface rust removal. The forward assist looks bad, and will be replacing that soon.

Posted: 11/4/2018 8:34:42 PM EDT

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Posted: 11/4/2018 8:44:35 PM EDT

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Super cool. Not an M4. It differs in several details. It is closer to the earlier Commando models. The overall look reminds me of the Isreali 'Menusar' carbines, which they built by chopping down gifted US built M16A1's, and which featured replacement parts from the A2 and later generations. Thanks for the pictures.

Posted: 11/4/2018 8:50:06 PM EDT

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Super cool. Not an M4. It differs in several details. It is closer to the earlier Commando models. The overall look reminds me of the Isreali 'Menusar' carbines, which they built by chopping down gifted US built M16A1's, and which featured replacement parts from the A2 and later generations. Thanks for the pictures. Is this a civilian legal gun in the PI?

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Thanks for the clarification. I appreciate that.
Yes, this is civilian legal in the Philippines. It was licensed during one of the amnesties.

Posted: 11/4/2018 8:54:48 PM EDT

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By any chance, can someone tell me if the current production of forward assists would fit as a replacement?
I understand that the retro M16s may have a larger size.

Any info is greatly appreciated. Thanks.

Posted: 11/4/2018 9:23:51 PM EDT

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By any chance, can someone tell me if the current production of forward assists would fit as a replacement?
I understand that the retro M16s may have a larger size.

Any info is greatly appreciated. Thanks.

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Either will work fine.

And you need to replace that lock washer with another lock washer or a crush washer.

Posted: 11/4/2018 9:24:55 PM EDT

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Edit, you need a crush washer because that is an A2 FH and needs to be timed with the solid part on the bottom.

Posted: 11/4/2018 9:27:09 PM EDT

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The BCG is not Diemaco it has what looks to be the letter "P" on it.

Posted: 11/4/2018 10:05:52 PM EDT

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Either will work fine.

And you need to replace that lock washer with another lock washer or a crush washer.

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Great! Thank you!
I will replace with a new forward assist, as well as add a crush washer.
Appreciate your advice.

Posted: 11/4/2018 11:41:05 PM EDT

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Great! Thank you!
I will replace with a new forward assist, as well as add a crush washer.
Appreciate your advice.

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You also need A1 pistol grip without the nub in the middle. Much more comfortable and what would be on American rifles

Posted: 11/5/2018 3:50:14 AM EDT

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That’s some serious fit and finish.

Posted: 11/5/2018 12:32:01 PM EDT

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It is ugly. I wonder how well it runs.

Posted: 11/5/2018 1:11:48 PM EDT

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Ok that thing is seriously cool

Posted: 11/5/2018 3:12:48 PM EDT

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Nice carbine. Totes jelly...

Posted: 11/5/2018 3:40:19 PM EDT

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Part of my Jungle tour a few yrs ago

Posted: 11/5/2018 9:58:25 PM EDT

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Barrel profile is a little odd. What’s the length? Appears to be under 14.5”

I wouldn’t worry about a crush washer. Timing actually looks pretty good for a right handed person as per Col Lutz’s original idea.

Cool mutt. I’d leave it as is, or I’d find a CAR stock for it.

Posted: 11/5/2018 11:47:38 PM EDT

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Barrel profile is a little odd. What’s the length? Appears to be under 14.5”

I wouldn’t worry about a crush washer. Timing actually looks pretty good for a right handed person as per Col Lutz’s original idea.

Cool mutt. I’d leave it as is, or I’d find a CAR stock for it.

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It will come loose without it. The washer is for more than timing.

Posted: 11/6/2018 1:47:32 PM EDT

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That’s some serious fit and finish.

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That’s some serious fit and finish.

Thanks! Yeah, it looks as though it's been refinished...for a ~40 year old rifle. Either way, I'm happy with it.

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Ok that thing is seriously cool

It really is. Thanks.

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Nice carbine. Totes jelly...

Thanks. I wanted one for many years. Finally had the opportunity to own one in my arsenal. :)

Posted: 11/6/2018 1:48:02 PM EDT

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Part of my Jungle tour a few yrs ago

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Very nice! Police officers and security guards there are (generally) very friendly when it comes to photo ops with their firearms. Glad to see you were able to experience that. :)

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Barrel profile is a little odd. What’s the length? Appears to be under 14.5”

I wouldn’t worry about a crush washer. Timing actually looks pretty good for a right handed person as per Col Lutz’s original idea.

Cool mutt. I’d leave it as is, or I’d find a CAR stock for it.

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I crudely measured the barrel. It was about 16". This included the flash hider. So, I'm guess the barrel is 14.5". I didn't have the tools to actually remove the barrel, though.

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It will come loose without it. The washer is for more than timing.

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I haven't noticed the flash hider getting loose. But I definitely want it done the right way.
Not sure if the previous owner used something like Loctite to fix the flash hider to the barrel. If so, any idea how to safely remove the flash hider and clean/prepare the threads on the barrel?