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Originally Posted By Will816:
I tried the 1 MOA challenge last weekend and it just didn't come together. The first group clocked in at just a hair under an inch (0.957", 0.91 MOA), and they just opened up from there. A number of contributing factors to my disappointing groups: Brand new barrel (30 rounds fired prior to MOA challenge attempt, possibly could improve accuracy as round count climbs), -7 degrees and numb fingers, heavy snow fall, etc. I hate blaming things, but it is what it is. I was just dead set on trying it and picked a bad day. Hopefully soon I'll give it a try on a better day. Rifle is a Mk12 Holland clone, 16" Douglas 1/7 5.56 barrel from HCS, Mk262 Mod 1 77gr SMK ammo. When I try this again I may do it with handloads, either topped with the same 77gr SMK's with cannelure or 77gr Bergers. And I'll probably do it from a portable bench. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/213943/IMG-1394-103540.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/213943/IMG-1395-103542.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/213943/IMG-1397-103545.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/213943/IMG-1347-103547.JPG View Quote harsh conditions to be shooting in for sure. congratulations for posting honest group results! |
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Lennyo really incredible shooting with your ruger. Im pretty impressed by it. I messed around with my buddy hoovers over veterans day and kind of want one for myself.
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Thanks. Really the rifle does the work. I love how all recoil load is directly in line, not transferred through recoil lug or action screws.
I will note one thing: this rifle likes to free recoil. That means I put minimal pressure on the butt from my shoulder. This is the opposite of how you're supposed to shoot, but that's what it likes. The bottom group (and largest) is with preload like how I shoot all my other guns. |
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Originally Posted By winddummy82:
harsh conditions to be shooting in for sure. congratulations for posting honest group results! View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By winddummy82:
Originally Posted By Will816:
I tried the 1 MOA challenge last weekend and it just didn't come together. The first group clocked in at just a hair under an inch (0.957", 0.91 MOA), and they just opened up from there. A number of contributing factors to my disappointing groups: Brand new barrel (30 rounds fired prior to MOA challenge attempt, possibly could improve accuracy as round count climbs), -7 degrees and numb fingers, heavy snow fall, etc. I hate blaming things, but it is what it is. I was just dead set on trying it and picked a bad day. Hopefully soon I'll give it a try on a better day. Rifle is a Mk12 Holland clone, 16" Douglas 1/7 5.56 barrel from HCS, Mk262 Mod 1 77gr SMK ammo. When I try this again I may do it with handloads, either topped with the same 77gr SMK's with cannelure or 77gr Bergers. And I'll probably do it from a portable bench. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/213943/IMG-1394-103540.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/213943/IMG-1395-103542.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/213943/IMG-1397-103545.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/213943/IMG-1347-103547.JPG harsh conditions to be shooting in for sure. congratulations for posting honest group results! "Stalingrad" style, under those condition, very respectable |
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Originally Posted By Lennyo3034:
Thanks. Really the rifle does the work. I love how all recoil load is directly in line, not transferred through recoil lug or action screws. I will note one thing: this rifle likes to free recoil. That means I put minimal pressure on the butt from my shoulder. This is the opposite of how you're supposed to shoot, but that's what it likes. The bottom group (and largest) is with preload like how I shoot all my other guns. View Quote Interesting, I've been wanting to shoot one of those since they came out. Phenomenal shooting and loads. Have you shot any of the 140 grain ELD from Hornady? |
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Originally Posted By billyhill:
"Stalingrad" style, under those condition, very respectable View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By billyhill:
Originally Posted By winddummy82:
Originally Posted By Will816:
I tried the 1 MOA challenge last weekend and it just didn't come together. The first group clocked in at just a hair under an inch (0.957", 0.91 MOA), and they just opened up from there. A number of contributing factors to my disappointing groups: Brand new barrel (30 rounds fired prior to MOA challenge attempt, possibly could improve accuracy as round count climbs), -7 degrees and numb fingers, heavy snow fall, etc. I hate blaming things, but it is what it is. I was just dead set on trying it and picked a bad day. Hopefully soon I'll give it a try on a better day. Rifle is a Mk12 Holland clone, 16" Douglas 1/7 5.56 barrel from HCS, Mk262 Mod 1 77gr SMK ammo. When I try this again I may do it with handloads, either topped with the same 77gr SMK's with cannelure or 77gr Bergers. And I'll probably do it from a portable bench. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/213943/IMG-1394-103540.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/213943/IMG-1395-103542.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/213943/IMG-1397-103545.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/213943/IMG-1347-103547.JPG harsh conditions to be shooting in for sure. congratulations for posting honest group results! "Stalingrad" style, under those condition, very respectable I concur |
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Dayum, Lenny.
If you get under 0.3, I think the rifle should get it's own thread. From initial impressions and results, to tuning, rebuilding, taking #1, and then topping that. |
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Originally Posted By Mister_H:
Interesting, I've been wanting to shoot one of those since they came out. Phenomenal shooting and loads. Have you shot any of the 140 grain ELD from Hornady? View Quote I've tried factory loaded 140 ELD and my rifle did not like it at all. Furthermore, after shooting it and trying to load the brass, I found that primer pockets were loose after just one firing. Not sure if it was because I have a minimal headspace chamber or that lot or what. I did try handloaded 140 ELD the same day as my most recent target. Only loaded 5 rounds but they went into a group right at .5 MOA. Might be worth revisiting. |
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Originally Posted By billyhill:
"Stalingrad" style, under those condition, very respectable View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By billyhill:
Originally Posted By winddummy82:
Originally Posted By Will816:
I tried the 1 MOA challenge last weekend and it just didn't come together. The first group clocked in at just a hair under an inch (0.957", 0.91 MOA), and they just opened up from there. A number of contributing factors to my disappointing groups: Brand new barrel (30 rounds fired prior to MOA challenge attempt, possibly could improve accuracy as round count climbs), -7 degrees and numb fingers, heavy snow fall, etc. I hate blaming things, but it is what it is. I was just dead set on trying it and picked a bad day. Hopefully soon I'll give it a try on a better day. Rifle is a Mk12 Holland clone, 16" Douglas 1/7 5.56 barrel from HCS, Mk262 Mod 1 77gr SMK ammo. When I try this again I may do it with handloads, either topped with the same 77gr SMK's with cannelure or 77gr Bergers. And I'll probably do it from a portable bench. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/213943/IMG-1394-103540.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/213943/IMG-1395-103542.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/213943/IMG-1397-103545.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/213943/IMG-1347-103547.JPG harsh conditions to be shooting in for sure. congratulations for posting honest group results! "Stalingrad" style, under those condition, very respectable Thanks guys. It was rough but fun |
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Originally Posted By Old_Painless:
As you may know, I believe shooting stuff is fun. But your pics sure don't look like much fun to me. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Old_Painless:
Originally Posted By Will816:
Thanks guys. It was rough but fun As you may know, I believe shooting stuff is fun. But your pics sure don't look like much fun to me. I like things to hurt a little bit Plus, it never hurts to be able to shoot under austere conditions. This hunting season was a prime example, it took a lot of mental fortitude to get through the crappy cold, wet, snowy and rainy stuff thrown our way this year. |
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Originally Posted By Will816:
I like things to hurt a little bit Plus, it never hurts to be able to shoot under austere conditions. This hunting season was a prime example, it took a lot of mental fortitude to get through the crappy cold, wet, snowy and rainy stuff thrown our way this year. View Quote It was 70 degrees in Texas today. |
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Just a question for OP and/or @Old_Painless
For a long while I was in 2nd place (behind Old_Painless) in the 22lr/50yd/optics and now for some reason I'm in 1st I don't know all the stipulations here, but I no longer have this rifle in the configuration as it was for the challenge as the barrel,trigger, and scope have all been changed. If this is why Old_Painless is not now in 1st place please feel free to drop me off too. This was all good fun and thank you guys for making it go! |
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Originally Posted By PIDDLER:
Just a question for OP and/or @Old_Painless For a long while I was in 2nd place (behind Old_Painless) in the 22lr/50yd/optics and now for some reason I'm in 1st I don't know all the stipulations here, but I no longer have this rifle in the configuration as it was for the challenge as the barrel,trigger, and scope have all been changed. If this is why Old_Painless is not now in 1st place please feel free to drop me off too. This was all good fun and thank you guys for making it go! View Quote The reason is that I moved myself down the list because I found that the "50 yard" range I was shooting on was actually only slightly more than 40 yards. So, I re-calculated my number and moved myself down. You are in first place. |
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Tag. Hoping to give this a shot (or 25) tomorrow.
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Is there a new thread for 2017?
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Originally Posted By Old_Painless:
Nope, this is it. Shoot your best. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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Originally Posted By Mister_H:
Shot a pretty decent entry with factory ammo 4 months ago, I was just asking because the thread hadn't been updated. View Quote The shooting thread is here: http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_16_17/51_--ARFCOM-1-MOA-ALL-DAY-LONG--Challenge-.html Sorry for any confusion. |
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Originally Posted By Old_Painless:
BTW, to avoid confusion, this is the One MOA Discussion thread. It is for shooting the bull about equipment. The shooting thread is here: http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_16_17/51_--ARFCOM-1-MOA-ALL-DAY-LONG--Challenge-.html Sorry for any confusion. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Old_Painless:
Originally Posted By Mister_H:
Shot a pretty decent entry with factory ammo 4 months ago, I was just asking because the thread hadn't been updated. The shooting thread is here: http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_16_17/51_--ARFCOM-1-MOA-ALL-DAY-LONG--Challenge-.html Sorry for any confusion. |
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So where are all these 1/2 MOA Tikkas? Not trying to call them out, but I keep hearing about how amazing accuracy is out of them, but no recent takers.
I bought a T3x Stainless Lite and it shoots 1.25-1.50 MOA 3 shot groups. Acceptable for hunting but nothing special. Obviously the CTR should be more accurate, but I'm just looking for groups. I've had people tell me their CTR shoots sub .1 MOA but obviously could not back that up. Honestly if I knew my rifle shot the way it does before buying (purchased new), I would have bought a Remington receiver and built something off a Remage for close to the same price. |
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Originally Posted By Lennyo3034:
So where are all these 1/2 MOA Tikkas? Not trying to call them out, but I keep hearing about how amazing accuracy is out of them, but no recent takers. I bought a T3x Stainless Lite and it shoots 1.25-1.50 MOA 3 shot groups. Acceptable for hunting but nothing special. Obviously the CTR should be more accurate, but I'm just looking for groups. I've had people tell me their CTR shoots sub .1 MOA but obviously could not back that up. Honestly if I knew my rifle shot the way it does before buying (purchased new), I would have bought a Remington receiver and built something off a Remage for close to the same price. View Quote I've shot 5 different Tikka rifles and they have all averaged MOA or better 5 shot groups. Only my 260 CTR can get close to the 1/2 mark though, with the rest falling in the .7 - 1.0 range. I imagine most claiming 1/2 MOA are full of it. I'll shoot the MOA challenge with all three of my Tikkas when I get home next month. |
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Originally Posted By bionic589:
Yeah that is pretty meh, compared to my experience with Tikka. I've shot 5 different Tikka rifles and they have all averaged MOA or better 5 shot groups. Only my 260 CTR can get close to the 1/2 mark though, with the rest falling in the .7 - 1.0 range. I imagine most claiming 1/2 MOA are full of it. I'll shoot the MOA challenge with all three of my Tikkas when I get home next month. View Quote |
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Please properly post your entry like below.
Boltgun Division 100 yards, Mister_H:R700 Bartlien 6.5cm 1/8 twist, Leupold mk6 3-18x, Hornady 140grn ELD, Groups: .667/.526/.340/.424/.430 = avg. .477 = .4556 MOA |
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Originally Posted By akethan:
Please properly post your entry like below. Boltgun Division 100 yards, Mister_H:R700 Bartlien 6.5cm 1/8 twist, Leupold mk6 3-18x, Hornady 140grn ELD, Groups: .667/.526/.340/.424/.430 = avg. .477 = .4556 MOA View Quote |
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What's the general consensus on bipods versus front rests when using an AR for bench shooting groups and accuracy testing reloads? I have a Caldwell rest (the mini front one) that I can dial up and down quite accurately for a good position so I've been using that but I have a Harris bipod as well. I should've shot them back to back last time I was out to see which one felt better and shot better but I always assumed the rest was better for shooting off a bench.
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I don't think it makes much difference in this case since your rear rest is not fixed.
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Originally Posted By Mossberg:
Can someone with the on target software check my group sizes for me? I'm new to this moa game and I'd like to see if I've got the measuring roughly correct. 223 rem at 100 yards. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/319115/20170506-171656-202901.jpg View Quote |
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Originally Posted By Defender3:
I did this quickly: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/52736/MOA1-202911.jpg View Quote |
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Originally Posted By Mossberg:
Thank you kindly sir. Looks like a windows pc or calipers will be a good idea for me, among other things. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Mossberg:
Originally Posted By Defender3:
I did this quickly: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/52736/MOA1-202911.jpg |
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Reminder that there is no "MOA or less" requirement to post your results.
Get on the board, and try to improve your standing. "It was, after all, a rifle range, one of those peeling, flaking, sagging, yet grand places where men have always gathered to plunk themselves down before a piece of paper with a black circle imprinted on it and discover the secrets of their own rifles and their own selves." - Point Of Impact |
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Has anyone shot this with 73 ELDs or 70 RDFs? I've seen some great individual groups but nothing showing rifles shoot them well consistently.
I'm looking to switch from the 77TMKs as my throats erosion has increased jump and and I don't have mag space to chase lands. |
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Lenny, I have only worked with them in one rifle with two powders, no seating deputy work. MOA was possible. This is a 2/3moa rifle at best.1/9" twist.
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Is it me, or has the 1MOA action slowed down dramatically ?
The first post on this page was from last fall and first post on the current page in the 1MOA was from last fall. Slackers ... |
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Originally Posted By LaRue_Tactical:
Is it me, or has the 1MOA action slowed down dramatically ? The first post on this page was from last fall and first post on the current page in the 1MOA was from last fall. Slackers ... View Quote Putting a 18" stealth barrel into an Aero M4e1 upper to test out. Have all the parts, just need the time. Ps. Make a large frame barrel in 6mm creedmoor with 1-7 twist for 110 SMK and I promise there will be a new entry. |
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I was gonna make some excuses, but it.
I have to back out to the range this week, I'll take the carbine and make a square. 25gr Varget under 53gr VMAX seem to be spot on call. Maybe I can scare some more shooters up, or shame them out. |
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Shoot moar.
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Originally Posted By LaRue_Tactical:
Is it me, or has the 1MOA action slowed down dramatically ? The first post on this page was from last fall and first post on the current page in the 1MOA was from last fall. Slackers ... View Quote Did I miss something? I thought entries needed to be on one sheet. I just cruised the last page of the challenge thread and I am confused... |
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Originally Posted By LaRue_Tactical:
Is it me, or has the 1MOA action slowed down dramatically ? The first post on this page was from last fall and first post on the current page in the 1MOA was from last fall. Slackers ... View Quote |
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I'll have some new entries soon. In the process of choosing a barrel for a new precision AR. Coming up empty unfortunately though.
Also built up a new bolt gun, soooo. Time to get to work! |
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Originally Posted By LaRue_Tactical:
18" 6.5 Grendel with some custom McCourt 120 Bergers ... I see 1 MOA possibilities http://www.larue.com/media/img/image7.jpg View Quote |
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